Transfer Fantasy - MJJ VS Aldo

[MJJ]

just to clarify. Did Gullit actually ever play in a defensive role?

He started of as a libero(made his name then) and I think milan might have played him deeper if they didnt had rijkaard. Has the perfect skill-set for the role and can easily do the job in one match such as this.

With no top-class DM, I am opting to deny the space aldo needs to make an impact.

 

[MJJ]

There's no space for him to counter in, in fact I'd be the happier side sitting deep and using Guardiola, Bossis and Irwin to spray the ball with ease and have the pace of Cristiano and Weah to exploit.

And the route to goal is not something I can see tbh. Basically relying completely on wingers against two fullbacks who are top class defensively isn't going to work against a packed defense with two strong defensive midfielders constantly helping out. The CBs will clear the crosses all day long while there's hardly any space behind the defense to exploit.

On the other side there's a clear creating-scoring combination with Guardiola and Platini both being far more creative than anyone in his team and starting counters looking for Cristiano and Weah making runs. An easy route to goal if there ever was.

Who is stopping Platini here?

No one, as you said irwin and bossis are sitting deep, meaning you are primarily attacking through the middle. I will just play more narrow with albertini and gullit sitting in front of the defense i.e. there is no space for you to exploit. If ronaldo or weah goes wide, that suits me even more.

What counters? I have told you most of my side will be sitting back and deep to make sure you cant do that and my defense is good enough to hold on against your attack.

On the other hand you have barnes,donadoni, cantona and shevchenko against your defenders and I will back them to score during the match.

 

[Moby]

What? He played there till the 81-82 season till Bibard was played as the fullback and he moved to being a central defender. He played as a right back till the age of 27! While winning or finishing second in the league for 5 years in a row and being an ever present fixture.

 

[MJJ]

mjj's team is better balanced, and much stronger defensively speaking, and it's good he has gullit, who was one of the greatest ever in the air. gullit could be used to negate ronaldo, but the problem is that ronaldo moves freely, and mjj only has two in the middle. platini here will have all the oppurtunity to run the show, the best player on aldo's team, he was one of the greatest passers ever, and with the power of weah, and speed and predatory runs of cristiano, it seems to big a task to contain the passing of guardiola/platini, and the attacking of weah/cristiano.

on the other hand i really like mjj's team, barnes was a terrific player, and donadoni was very good in attack, and had the tenacity and hardworking traits that are valuable in stifling cristiano. having two beasts in midfield to transition (and boy could gullit transition, just a monster), with a creater/ demon pairing in cantona/shevchenko. Baresi Costacurta is an iron defence, barsei himself was probably one of the greatest defenders ever if not the greatest.

I actually think cristiano can be very easily negated in a game of this magnitude. the problem for mjj is that he faces not just the danger of cristiano's speed and aerial prowess, but also the power of weah, lead by the genius of platini.

i like the balance and overall dynamic of mjj's team much more, but that foursome of aldo's could be so unstoppable. i'll probably vote for mjj but wait for now.

Problem for aldo is that he is primarily attacking through the middle, so it will be easier for me to stop him as he doesnt have a lot of variety in his attack. With my side sitting deep, ronaldo wont have the space he needs to maximize his attacking threat and am happy for guardiola/platini to have the ball in their own half.

 

[MJJ]

What? He played there till the 81-82 season till Bibard was played as the fullback and he moved to being a central defender. He played as a right back till the age of 27! While winning or finishing second in the league for 5 years in a row and being an ever present fixture.

Bossis spent much of his time at right back during Nantes' championship-winning seasons in 1977 and 1980, in which Thierry Tusseau normally started on the left, but made the left back position his own beginning in 1981

Thats what wiki says, I obviously didnt watch him play so am going with what I find on the net.

 

[Moby]

No one, as you said irwin and bossis are sitting deep, meaning you are primarily attacking through the middle. I will just play more narrow with albertini and gullit sitting in front of the defense i.e. there is no space for you to exploit. If ronaldo or weah goes wide, that suits me even more.

What counters? I have told you most of my side will be sitting back and deep to make sure you cant do that and my defense is good enough to hold on against your attack.

On the other hand you have barnes,donadoni, cantona and shevchenko against your defenders and I will back them to score during the match.

So basically when Platini is dropping deep and pulling the strings it is Albertini or Gullit there to mind him? Suits me.

Your defensive line during its best days was protected by a beast called Frank Rijkaard, with the present lack of balance the space between your defense and midfield is going to be way too large and that will give Platini the joy he wants.

 

[Moby]

Anyway, I would like to post some clips so that people can enjoy some good football.









Imagine all that combining! Those beautiful incisive through balls from Pep finding a lightning quick run from Cristiano, or Platini's through ball for that matter. It's a simple and clear route to goal which will be executed multiple times.

 

[Moby]

Bossis spent much of his time at right back during Nantes' championship-winning seasons in 1977 and 1980, in which Thierry Tusseau normally started on the left, but made the left back position his own beginning in 1981

Thats what wiki says, I obviously didnt watch him play so am going with what I find on the net.

So you assumed he played RB in 77 and 80 and not the years between that?

 

[MJJ]

Cristiano faced plenty of strong and quick full backs, probably not as good as briegel, but I think its still an overstatement. I didn't say he'll outscore you, I just said thats a huge overstatement because I really disagree with that.

I dont think he has ever faced a fullback who was his equal in pace/power while still being a good defender. Might be wrong though.

I added the other comment as was going to sleep and wanted to state that, just added it to that post instead of making a separate one.

 

[MJJ]

So basically when Platini is dropping deep and pulling the strings it is Albertini or Gullit there to mind him? Suits me.

Your defensive line during its best days was protected by a beast called Frank Rijkaard, with the present lack of balance the space between your defense and midfield is going to be way too large and that will give Platini the joy he wants.

Nope, if he is dropping deep he can have the ball. I will just cover the space and make sure he has no one free to pass to. When he drops deep you only have weah and ronaldo upfront and my defense can deal with them.

 

[Moby]

Problem for aldo is that he is primarily attacking through the middle, so it will be easier for me to stop him as he doesnt have a lot of variety in his attack. With my side sitting deep, ronaldo wont have the space he needs to maximize his attacking threat and am happy for guardiola/platini to have the ball in their own half.

Not really. Cristiano is not a central player, nor is he in my team as I clearly mentioned in the OP. He has a free role, in which he has excelled throughout his career.

 

[MJJ]

So you assumed he played RB in 77 and 80 and not the years between that?

I did yes, it suits my agenda and I figured they would mention it if he had played RB in those years.

 

[MJJ]

Not really. Cristiano is not a central player, nor is he in my team as I clearly mentioned in the OP. He has a free role, in which he has excelled throughout his career.

Free role? You remember when he had a free role against barca? When he was upfront for the majority of the match? The same is going to happen here, if he does go wide then who will he cross to?

 

[Moby]

Nope, if he is dropping deep he can have the ball. I will just cover the space and make sure he has no one free to pass to. When he drops deep you only have weah and ronaldo upfront and my defense can deal with them.

So basically Platini is allowed a free reign with absolutely no one trying to win the ball back? You do realize this is one of the greatest players of all time? You do remember him punishing the Milan team that had Baresi in it in Serie A?

 

[Moby]

Free role? You remember when he had a free role against barca? When he was upfront for the majority of the match? The same is going to happen here, if he does go wide then who will he cross to?

How can he be up front for most of the game if he has a free role?

 

[MJJ]

So basically Platini is allowed a free reign with absolutely no one trying to win the ball back? You do realize this is one of the greatest players of all time? You do remember him punishing the Milan team that had Baresi in it in Serie A?

In your half yes. If he gets close to my box then he will be closed down and stopped. If he wants to keep the ball in your half or around the halfway line am happy to oblige.

How can he be up front for most of the game if he has a free role?

Because he is ronaldo? You can keep saying he has a free role but he will start from some position and your graphic says his starting position is striker. I doubt he would play as a traditional winger seeing its real ronaldo that you are playing here.

 

[Annahnomoss]

Free role? You remember when he had a free role against barca? When he was upfront for the majority of the match? The same is going to happen here, if he does go wide then who will he cross to?

Weah? The other forward on his team I would assume together with Platini.

 

[MJJ]

Weah? The other forward on his team I would assume together with Platini.

Weah against Baresi/Costacurta/Briegel/Gullit? Platini wasnt the greatest header of the ball as well so that suits me just fine.

 

[Moby]

In your half yes. If he gets close to my box then he will be closed down and stopped. If he wants to keep the ball in your half or around the halfway line am happy to oblige.


Because he is ronaldo? You can keep saying he has a free role but he will start from some position and your graphic says his starting position is striker. I doubt he would play as a traditional winger seeing its real ronaldo that you are playing here.

Happy to oblige to what? Michel Platini pulling the strings for 75% of the game? And you think nothing will happen from that?

So instructions do not matter? His position on the graphic is not of a striker, that is Weah. He is positioned as a wing forward who will roam all across the front line like he has done throughout his time at Madrid. I don't want him to be a traditional winger, why would anyone want to have Cristiano as a traditional winger?

 

[Moby]

Weah against Baresi/Costacurta/Briegel/Gullit? Platini wasnt the greatest header of the ball as well so that suits me just fine.

This is funny, as Platini scored a header against Milan beating Baresi in the air.

 

[MJJ]

Happy to oblige to what? Michel Platini pulling the strings for 75% of the game? And you think nothing will happen from that?

So instructions do not matter? His position on the graphic is not of a striker, that is Weah. He is positioned as a wing forward who will roam all across the front line like he has done throughout his time at Madrid. I don't want him to be a traditional winger, why would anyone want to have Cristiano as a traditional winger?

If you think you will have possession for 75% of the game, yeah why not. If he drops deep, you have ronaldo and weah upfront. If I dont follow platini all over the pitch(and I simply dont have anyone good enough for that role) I can simply cut his options. If I mark weah/ronaldo who will he pass to?


Every football player starts from some point on the pitch, watch the heatmap for any player. They all have a default starting point. And even if he roams, if he wants to score he will come inside where I have a mass of bodies waiting for him.

This is funny, as Platini scored a header against Milan beating Baresi in the air.

So did messi against us, still wouldnt call him a great header of the ball. And he would be stopped most of the time.

 

[Moby]

If you think you will have possession for 75% of the game, yeah why not. If he drops deep, you have ronaldo and weah upfront. If I dont follow platini all over the pitch(and I simply dont have anyone good enough for that role) I can simply cut his options. If I mark weah/ronaldo who will he pass to?


Every football player starts from some point on the pitch, watch the heatmap for any player. They all have a default starting point. And even if he roams, if he wants to score he will come inside where I have a mass of bodies waiting for him.





So did messi against us, still wouldnt call him a great header of the ball. And he would be stopped most of the time.

You forgot that Platini was as good a goal threat as anyone else. He's not a Zidane or a Riquelme who can only create chances, but also easily score them himself. Whenever he gets closer to goal you will have to close him down to prevent him from scoring which is where he can easily play in Ronaldo or Weah.

Both teams are set up to defend deep here which suits me perfectly because I have tremendous creativity and passing ability all over the pitch. I'll have Pep and the two fullbacks playing long balls from deep, aimed at the two strong front men, and Platini and one of the two CMs waiting to latch on to any pieces. I don't see any such plan in your team. I'm much better at initializing counters as well as finishing them.

If your mass of bodies is concentrated on stopping Cristiano from getting space to score that only opens up space for Platini and Weah! You can't have it both ways, which is where Platini's tremendous goal threat is vital.

As for Messi's header, it was no way similar to Platini's against Milan.

 

[Moby]

Happy to be getting the manager votes here. I was well aware that I am taking a risk by having a bunch of players from the 80s so the casual vote will never be in my favour but satisfied to see the ones who are involved in this and know their stuff agree with the premise I tried here.

 

[MJJ]

You forgot that Platini was as good a goal threat as anyone else. He's not a Zidane or a Riquelme who can only create chances, but also easily score them himself. Whenever he gets closer to goal you will have to close him down to prevent him from scoring which is where he can easily play in Ronaldo or Weah.

Both teams are set up to defend deep here which suits me perfectly because I have tremendous creativity and passing ability all over the pitch. I'll have Pep and the two fullbacks playing long balls from deep, aimed at the two strong front men, and Platini and one of the two CMs waiting to latch on to any pieces. I don't see any such plan in your team. I'm much better at initializing counters as well as finishing them.

If your mass of bodies is concentrated on stopping Cristiano from getting space to score that only opens up space for Platini and Weah! You can't have it both ways, which is where Platini's tremendous goal threat is vital.

As for Messi's header, it was no way similar to Platini's against Milan.

It isnt? How many headers did platini score throughout his career?

If he does get closer to my goal, yes I will stop him(or try to) in that case. Even in that case its 3(platini/ronaldo/weah) against 6 which suits me a lot, specially as you are playing narrow and dont have fullbacks to stretch the pitch.

They can do both as I keep mentioning you are playing narrow, so if I deny ronaldo the space am denying it to the rest as well unless they are going wide.

My route to goal is a lot simpler as my wingers will be 1 on 1 with your fullbacks, in that scenario I will always back the attacker to make a difference.

 

[Moby]

It isnt? How many headers did platini score throughout his career?

If he does get closer to my goal, yes I will stop him(or try to) in that case. Even in that case its 3(platini/ronaldo/weah) against 6 which suits me a lot, specially as you are playing narrow and dont have fullbacks to stretch the pitch.

They can do both as I keep mentioning you are playing narrow, so if I deny ronaldo the space am denying it to the rest as well unless they are going wide.

My route to goal is a lot simpler as my wingers will be 1 on 1 with your fullbacks, in that scenario I will always back the attacker to make a difference.

I don't have fullbacks?

You wingers will never be in a 1v1. Both Lerby and Essien are well equipped to help out the fullbacks, if needed, which won't be much as both Irwin and Bossis are well capable of winning their individual battles. Even if they do get past my fullbacks, what next? Shevchenko is heavily marked in the box with both CBs being strong aerially. Shevchenko is not an idea striker to play with out and out wingers. His best came when he played in a diamond at Milan and had the likes of Pirlo and Rui Costa providing him service. You will also have 4 vs my 7 players and you don't have remotely the same quality when it comes to creativity and passing as I do so in that comparison I have the upper hand, also not forgetting that I have a goal machine up front to finish the chances created by two quality playmakers.

 

[Moby]

Also, all your goal threat is with one guy, that is Shevchenko. If he gets marked out or doesn't get the required service, where are the goals coming from? Compare that to mine where all 3 at the front are capable of getting goals if the other one fails. And two of them spent their career setting up goal scoring records.

 

[Balu]

2 reasons why I went with Aldo:
- I don't really like Gullit's role. Even in his libero and box to box days, he had freedom to run forward. You simply don't want to reduce him to a defensive job, doesn't matter where on the pitch you play him. That makes no sense to me. Yeah, he can be great in a box to box midfield battle, let him fight it out with Lerby or Essien and he ends up winning the battle, no doubt. But a disciplined defensive midfield role that denies the opponent space while sitting deep?
- The last years showed that the best way to contain Ronaldo is cutting his supply. I'm not his biggest fan, but his off the ball movement towards goal is out of this world. You simply can't mark him inside the box, you need to force him to pick up the ball away from goal, if he wants to get involved. Giving Platini and Guardiola the freedom to pass with Weah bulldozing defenders and Ronaldo roaming around is a nightmare for any defense and I fecking love MJJ's back four. It's just not going to work, in my opinion, sorry MJJ.

 

[MJJ]

I don't have fullbacks?

You wingers will never be in a 1v1. Both Lerby and Essien are well equipped to help out the fullbacks, if needed, which won't be much as both Irwin and Bossis are well capable of winning their individual battles. Even if they do get past my fullbacks, what next? Shevchenko is heavily marked in the box with both CBs being strong aerially. Shevchenko is not an idea striker to play with out and out wingers. His best came when he played in a diamond at Milan and had the likes of Pirlo and Rui Costa providing him service. You will also have 4 vs my 7 players and you don't have remotely the same quality when it comes to creativity and passing as I do so in that comparison I have the upper hand, also not forgetting that I have a goal machine up front to finish the chances created by two quality playmakers.

Havent you repeatedly stated in this thread that your fullbacks will be staying back? If they are attacking it leads to counter attacking opportunities for me.

Shevchenko and Cantona who you are forgetting are good enough to score against your defense. I have albertni who has the passing range to create chances from deep for pirlo as well.

If you have 7 players back you will lose, there is no way you are scoring with only three players, one of whom is constantly dropping deep against my defense.

 

[antohan]

Happy to oblige to what? Michel Platini pulling the strings for 75% of the game? And you think nothing will happen from that?

It's actually all rather interesting. I can see how you would be insanely good on the break and MJJ sitting back doesn't allow for that. That said, there's a difference between "I'm sitting back so there's no scope for you countering" and "I'm sitting back so you can't possibly score and I fancy my frontmen to outscore yours".

 

[MJJ]

Also, all your goal threat is with one guy, that is Shevchenko. If he gets marked out or doesn't get the required service, where are the goals coming from? Compare that to mine where all 3 at the front are capable of getting goals if the other one fails. And two of them spent their career setting up goal scoring records.

You are forgetting cantona and barnes who can easily chip in with the goals.

2 reasons why I went with Aldo:
- I don't really like Gullit's role. Even in his libero and box to box days, he had freedom to run forward. You simply don't want to reduce him to a defensive job, doesn't matter where on the pitch you play him. That makes no sense to me. Yeah, he can be great in a box to box midfield battle, let him fight it out with Lerby or Essien and he ends up winning the battle, no doubt. But a disciplined defensive midfield role that denies the opponent space while sitting deep?
- The last years showed that the best way to contain Ronaldo is cutting his supply. I'm not his biggest fan, but his off the ball movement towards goal is out of this world. You simply can't mark him inside the box, you need to force him to pick up the ball away from goal, if he wants to get involved. Giving Platini and Guardiola the freedom to pass with Weah bulldozing defenders and Ronaldo roaming around is a nightmare for any defense and I fecking love MJJ's back four. It's just not going to work, in my opinion, sorry MJJ.

Fair enough balu, thanks for explaining your vote.

 

[RoadTrip]

This is a close one. Will vote later today once I read through properly.

 

[Moby]

Havent you repeatedly stated in this thread that your fullbacks will be staying back? If they are attacking it leads to counter attacking opportunities for me.

Shevchenko and Cantona who you are forgetting are good enough to score against your defense. I have albertni who has the passing range to create chances from deep for pirlo as well.

If you have 7 players back you will lose, there is no way you are scoring with only three players, one of whom is constantly dropping deep against my defense.

Read the OP, it is clearly stated they will go forward if necessary. Are you questioning Denis Irwin, who did the job for over a decade at United to not know when to go forward and when to stay back? Again I am not saying I have Dani Alves and Roberto Carlos on the wing but would they be crossing from deep? Sure, why not. That doesn't expose them to counter, not with the two CMs being equally capable out wide.

If I am not capable of scoring with the quality I have up front, how are you? I have TWO world class creative players in midfield, with two fullbacks who excelled in ball playing ability and would fire in accurate passes, long and short.

1, My service is much better than yours.
2. My goal threat is much greater than yours.
3. My players are playing in the roles that they excelled in.

I have combinations which will work, as simple as that. On the other hand, sell me how Sheva will be getting at the end of floated crosses in a packed penalty box? How many goals did he score like that?

You are forgetting cantona and barnes who can easily chip in with the goals.


Fair enough balu, thanks for explaining your vote.

There's a difference between chipping in and actually possessing constant goal threat.

 

[Balu]

Fair enough balu, thanks for explaining your vote.

Still think it's close by the way. And I agree with you that Briegel is as good as any fullback in the history of the game to deal with Ronaldo, it's a perfect fit. Which is why I would have liked a more attacking approach from your side. Weah isn't that big a goal threat. Find someone to shackle Platini, let Briegel deal with Ronaldo and go for it with Gullit pushing forward and I probably would have given you my vote.

 

[antohan]

Also, all your goal threat is with one guy, that is Shevchenko. If he gets marked out or doesn't get the required service, where are the goals coming from? Compare that to mine where all 3 at the front are capable of getting goals if the other one fails. And two of them spent their career setting up goal scoring records.

Eric?

 

[MJJ]

Still think it's close by the way. And I agree with you that Briegel is as good as any fullback in the history of the game to deal with Ronaldo, it's a perfect fit. Which is why I would have liked a more attacking approach from your side. Weah isn't that big a goal threat. Find someone to shackle Platini, let Briegel deal with Ronaldo and go for it with Gullit pushing forward and I probably would have given you my vote.

My initial plan was to get makelele and play him as a DM, I rejected him in favour of ince(wanted to play 4 4 1 1 with ince and albertini with gullit as the 1) but that would have been a disaster against platini so decided to go down this route and try and deny him the space needed to work his magic.

 

[antohan]

I would have started Ince and Gullit ahead of them. Stronger midfield, a better Gullit and all you lose is one of the two strikers who, frankly, aren't doing much with your all-out defence and nick one approach. Gullit was a better attacking option than either one of them, while also supporting the midfield.

I thought it had to do with TPs but now I realise it was possible I'd call it a brainfart.

 

[MJJ]

Read the OP, it is clearly stated they will go forward if necessary. Are you questioning Denis Irwin, who did the job for over a decade at United to not know when to go forward and when to stay back? Again I am not saying I have Dani Alves and Roberto Carlos on the wing but would they be crossing from deep? Sure, why not. That doesn't expose them to counter, not with the two CMs being equally capable out wide.

If I am not capable of scoring with the quality I have up front, how are you? I have TWO world class creative players in midfield, with two fullbacks who excelled in ball playing ability and would fire in accurate passes, long and short.

1, My service is much better than yours.
2. My goal threat is much greater than yours.
3. My players are playing in the roles that they excelled in.

I have combinations which will work, as simple as that. On the other hand, sell me how Sheva will be getting at the end of floated crosses in a packed penalty box? How many goals did he score like that?



There's a difference between chipping in and actually possessing constant goal threat.

You can either have him sitting deep to prevent me from countering or have him support the attack and leave yourself oppose to counter attacks.

1. Mine isnt that bad, I have five creative players(cantona/barnes/donadoni/albertini/gullit) compared to pep/platini and thats it? You might have more quality but your attack is one dimensional.
2. Lets see. Weah at his peak(92-2000) scored 78 goals in 210 matches vs shevchenko scoring 127 goals in 208 matches. Yeah, you clearly have the edge there. Thats the focal point of your attack. I have already said how I will deal with ronaldo and platini will be dropping deep as well. I have shevchenko/barnes/cantona and donadoni so again not much in it with my striker being more clinical.
3. Does it matter? My defense has actually played together while your players havent. If you want to go down this route then you lose out and bossis being played as a RB.

 

[MJJ]

I would have started Ince and Gullit ahead of them. Stronger midfield, a better Gullit and all you lose is one of the two strikers who, frankly, aren't doing much with your all-out defence and nick one approach. Gullit was a better attacking option than either one of them, while also supporting the midfield.

I thought it had to do with TPs but now I realise it was possible I'd call it a brainfart.

Yup, looks like it. I was worried people wont rate ince as much as I do so decided to go down this route. Plus, I really wanted to play cantona in my side, rarely gets picked in drafts anyway.

 

[Moby]

You can either have him sitting deep to prevent me from countering or have him support the attack and leave yourself oppose to counter attacks.

1. Mine isnt that bad, I have five creative players(cantona/barnes/donadoni/albertini/gullit) compared to pep/platini and thats it? You might have more quality but your attack is one dimensional.
2. Lets see. Weah at his peak(92-2000) scored 78 goals in 210 matches vs shevchenko scoring 127 goals in 208 matches. Yeah, you clearly have the edge there. Thats the focal point of your attack. I have already said how I will deal with ronaldo and platini will be dropping deep as well. I have shevchenko/barnes/cantona and donadoni so again not much in it with my striker being more clinical.
3. Does it matter? My defense has actually played together while your players havent. If you want to go down this route then you lose out and bossis being played as a RB.

1. Gullit can't be a part of a defensive unit of 6 who is asked to do a disciplined job on denying space to my attack and create chances at the same time. He was not a playmaker, if you want him to attack you need him to carry the ball forward which is against the role you have given him so far. It's a tremendous waste of one of my all time favourites so feck you in the face for that.
2. You just compared your best goal threat to my third best. Proves my point.
3. It obviously matters, and again with the ignorant Bossis argument. Go through previous posts, it has already been cleared.

As for plans on dealing, you have plans to deal with my attack, I have plans to deal with yours, so where does that leave us? I have much better defensive cover from midfield, players who actually spent their peak playing as defensive midfielders at the biggest of stages. You blatantly ignoring the quality of my players doesn't change that. Any team would give an arm and an leg to have "just" Platini and Guardiola as their creative force. You instructing Gullit to do a disciplined job as a DM and shielding the defense doesn't mean that will happen, since he did not spend the best part of his career doing that nor does his skill set suit that. The three CMs I have, even Pep, who is usually slated for being a dud defensively won a CL and reached another, while winning FOUR leagues in a row playing that exact same role. I'd like you to point out any of my instructions that are actually counter productive to my players.

And so much for packed defense, Platini banged in goals day in day out and ripped apart defenses playing in Serie A in the 80s, when defending was always of that sort, brutal and in numbers. Never stopped him. He wouldn't have won three Ballon D'ors in a row if he was so easy to keep out, even without having a DM in the team. That's the sort of quality that would win you games most times, simple fact.

 

[MJJ]

1. Gullit can't be a part of a defensive unit of 6 who is asked to do a disciplined job on denying space to my attack and create chances at the same time. He was not a playmaker, if you want him to attack you need him to carry the ball forward which is against the role you have given him so far. It's a tremendous waste of one of my all time favourites so feck you in the face for that.
2. You just compared your best goal threat to my third best. Proves my point.
3. It obviously matters, and again with the ignorant Bossis argument. Go through previous posts, it has already been cleared.

As for plans on dealing, you have plans to deal with my attack, I have plans to deal with yours, so where does that leave us? I have much better defensive cover from midfield, players who actually spent their peak playing as defensive midfielders at the biggest of stages. You blatantly ignoring the quality of my players doesn't change that. Any team would give an arm and an leg to have "just" Platini and Guardiola as their creative force. You instructing Gullit to do a disciplined job as a DM and shielding the defense doesn't mean that will happen, since he did not spend the best part of his career doing that nor does his skill set suit that. The three CMs I have, even Pep, who is usually slated for being a dud defensively won a CL and reached another, while winning FOUR leagues in a row playing that exact same role. I'd like you to point out any of my instructions that are actually counter productive to my players.

And so much for packed defense, Platini banged in goals day in day out and ripped apart defenses playing in Serie A in the 80s, when defending was always of that sort, brutal and in numbers. Never stopped him. He wouldn't have won three Ballon D'ors in a row if he was so easy to keep out, even without having a DM in the team. That's the sort of quality that would win you games most times, simple fact.

1. Am considering changing my tactics.
2. I compared my striker to yours, with ronaldo in a free role, platini as a false 9 he will be the focal point of your attack.
3. Am only going from what wiki is saying and again if it matters than defensive cohesive should matter as well where I have an edge.

My defense is far superior so I dont need as much cover as you and you are only attacking with three players one of whom is dropping deep at times, I dont care how good platini and ronaldo are they still need a support cast.

Look at ronaldo at madrid, he has ozil/benzema/marcelo/bale/di maria,etc creating space for him which is essential for him to operate at his best. You have left him with weah alone upfront and isolated.