Transfer Fantasy - MJJ VS Aldo

Who would win based on their peak?


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Defense-

Briegel-Baresi-Costacurta-Tassotti

The strongest part of my team and one of the strongest in the draft. In Baresi, Costacurta, Tassotti I have 3/4ths of the best defensive lineup the world has ever seen. The fourth member of the defense is Hans-Peter Briegal. A defender who was an athlete before taking up footbal, blessed with pace, power and stamina he would go on to be one of the finest defenders the world has seen earning the moniker "the steamroller from Palatinate"

Midfield

Barnes-Albertini-Gullit-Donadoni

At the wings, I have two players who were considered the best of their time. Donadoni and Barnes, both exceptional dribblers, blessed with pace, creativity and good finishing ability. To partner them I have the milan legend, albertini, a man known as the metronome for his ability to control the game and his passing ability. Partnering him is the dutch legend, Ruud Gullit, the black tulip.The epitome of total football, he can play anywhere on the pitch and be the best player.

Cantona-Shevchenko

Shevchenko is count amongst the best strikers in the football's history. The complete forward blessed with pace,power, dribbling and an eye for goal. The man alongside him needs no introduction, one of my favourite footballers ever and one who would bring a lot of class and elegance to this side.

Tactics-

My defense is far better than aldos and the plan is to soak up his attack and counter to take full advantage. I couldnt have pick a better player than baresi to handle platini while ronaldo will have his hands full with briegel. A gifted athlete who wont lose out physically against ronaldo. Both my midfieders are going to drop deep denying the space to aldo that he is going to need to win the match.

The plan is to win the ball in my half and exploit aldo's relatively weaker defense with the likes of barnes,gullit,donadoni and shevchenko. Bossis played the majority of his career at leftback and him against barnes is a match my team will exploit to full extent.

Add gullit and albertini sitting in front of my defense for the majority of the match and I simply cant see how aldo is going to consistently outscore me here. His defense is more likely to make a mistake and if I have the lead than this match is going only one way.

Lineup - MJJ
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Versus - Aldo
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Overview

We are playing a 4-3-1-2 false 9 formation.

In defense, the CB duo consists of Montero and Walker. Walker would closely mark the opposition striker and given his terrific pace, tackling and marking, he would not allow the player to get any clear cut chances or free space. Montero would lead the defensive line, and decide how high or deep should it be placed. It will never be too high or too deep to allow any sort of advantage to the opposition, but there is enough pace in the backline to match the opposition in case a player breaks through. Irwin and Bossis are the fullbacks and would be providing width when necessary and would stay in shape and not give any space behind them for the opposition to run.

In midfield, Guardiola would play as the deep lying plamaker. He would be using his great reading of the game to intercept any attempts to split the defense from deep and instantly try to look to turn defense into attack with his world class passing and vision. Flanking him are two absolute workhorses in Lerby and Essien. Two tireless midfielders, they will play the defensive box to box roles and deny any space and time to the opposition midfield. Both possess quality technique and can easily start the buildups, but most importantly they will allow Pep the freedom and space to create attacks from deep and catch the opposition with surprise.

Michel Platini would play as the false 9. A great combination of scoring, creating and leading the team, the whole attacking play would revolve around him. He would see most of the ball and would drop deep or get into the box depending on the situation. A hard worker himself, he will be adding to the midfield battle when not in possession and will always be in close attention to the midfield 3.

Cristiano Ronaldo has a free role in this team, and would roam all across the attacking third, punishing any open spaces left by the opposition or targetting the weakest defender. He would be impossible to mark as he would never be staying at one position. He would be using his world class off the ball movement, pace, acceleration and finishing to get on the end of attacks. A proper free roaming forward.

George Weah is the center forward in the team and would be constantly resonating with Ronaldo's movement to get into spaces left due to overmarking Cristiano. Imagine Ibrahimovic but without the ego to be the main man, Weah was excellent in scoring great goals but also constantly providing assists and linking up play. He would usually occupy the central role with Cristiano swapping sides around him.

Creating from deep
As already discussed, Guardiola would be the primary in charge of creating chances from deep, but apart from him, both Bossis and Irwin were top class when it came to not just playing the ball neatly but actually finding players upfield with accurate diagonals and passes. They can easily take the opportunity and go for it themselves, and overall they would provide great support to Pep.

Route to goal
In Cristiano, we have one of the best goal scorers of all time, and with his movement, pace and finishing, his teammates would be able to find him very easily. Guardiola was one of the best when it came to through balls from any point on the pitch and the likes of Stoichkov, Romario and others who played with him constantly took advantage of it. Imagine someone like Cristiano latching onto his inch perfect through balls, it is a clear route to goal.

Now coming to the best player in the team, Platini was a complete attacking player, and that showed throughout his career. When he drops deep, he would again be looking to play in Cristiano or Weah, and there are VERY few in the entire history of the sport who can claim to be better passers than him. And when he making his forward runs, he was again world class in scoring goals at a tremendous rate, and at the biggest of occasions himself. He topped the scoring charts in Serie A as well as was the top scorer for France till Henry broke the record years later. There is abundance of goal threat between these two.

Weah as a perfect man to compliment this duo as he was equally happy in going for the spectacular or supporting his teammates, the exact type of hybrid needed to bring the best out of the rest of the two. He was strong enough to occupy the CBs when needed, hence opening up pockets of spaces for players making runs, in this case, Platini and Cristiano. His completeness as a forward would be extremely handy and allow the required fluidity and unpredictability in attack.
 
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Why do you need Platini to play false 9 here? Is there any need for him to make those runs into the box? I mean even if he was to play as number 10, he would do at times. Here, with Ronaldo and Weap up top, he is better off in a pure AM role.
 
Regardless. I have already voted since I think Aldo has the edge here with Platini getting the perfect platform to run the show and Ronaldo also more or less given his desired role.
 
One thing to note, aldo is going to get destroyed down the wings.

I dont mind anyone in his team dropping deep as my team wont be chasing the ball but sitting patiently for him to come in my half win it and counter.
 
Aldo's team will obviously winn since MJJ's is playing almost entirely all in their own half...heh just kidding.
 
That's a huge overstatement.

I expected ronaldo to play as a winger not in his current role, I did elaborate what I meant by that statement by saying he wont be able to use his pace/power against briegel which should negate most of ronaldo's influence.

As it is he is playing a very narrow formation against one of the best defensive lineups the world has seen, with gullit and albertini sitting in front of them. Dont really see him outscoring me here.
 
I expected ronaldo to play as a winger not in his current role, I did elaborate what I meant by that statement by saying he wont be able to use his pace/power against briegel which should negate most of ronaldo's influence.

As it is he is playing a very narrow formation against one of the best defensive lineups the world has seen, with gullit and albertini sitting in front of them. Dont really see him outscoring me here.
Cristiano faced plenty of strong and quick full backs, probably not as good as briegel, but I think its still an overstatement. I didn't say he'll outscore you, I just said thats a huge overstatement because I really disagree with that.
 
Platini is absolutely outstanding, an AM averaging 30 goals per season is incredible. Especially considering his main attributes were his passing and playmaking.

I can see MJJ conceding plenty of free-kicks against Cristiano and Weahs dribbling and Platinis great technique. If that happens Platini will finish this game of.
 
What's the thinking behind Bossis right / Irwin left?

Struck me too in the draft thread. As I said there, Bossis CAN play RB - and I think he did so on occasion early in his career. But I would've gone for Irwin at RB - seems the more natural choice to me unless there is indeed a particular tactical disposition behind it.
 
Platini is absolutely outstanding, an AM averaging 30 goals per season is incredible. Especially considering his main attributes were his passing and playmaking.

I can see MJJ conceding plenty of free-kicks against Cristiano and Weahs dribbling and Platinis great technique. If that happens Platini will finish this game of.

The problem is that Cristiano, the little brat, won't let Platini take those freekicks. He'll waste them all - or else go into a sulk when the manager insists that he lets a true master deal with 'em.
 
I think that Aldo managed to create an attack that the restrictions here were trying to prevent from happening. Kudos to him.

All I can see now is Weah and Cristiano finishing Pep's through-balls, this image is stuck in my head - though it isn't right, considering the MJJ's tactics here. If he sits deep I think that he can prevent this disaster from happening - but at the moment I would still say that Aldo edges it.

Don't think that le Roi would love this "sitting in the back" mentality either. Sad that he probably will be overlooked in this match.
 
The problem is that Cristiano, the little brat, won't let Platini take those freekicks. He'll waste them all - or else go into a sulk when the manager insists that he lets a true master deal with 'em.

He shares them with Bale now tbf (and I remember an odd Ozil goal when everyone was thinking that it would be another Ronaldo's wasted shot). I do expect Irwin to step up and to score while those two would be arguing about who is more worthy to take it.
 
mjj's team is better balanced, and much stronger defensively speaking, and it's good he has gullit, who was one of the greatest ever in the air. gullit could be used to negate ronaldo, but the problem is that ronaldo moves freely, and mjj only has two in the middle. platini here will have all the oppurtunity to run the show, the best player on aldo's team, he was one of the greatest passers ever, and with the power of weah, and speed and predatory runs of cristiano, it seems to big a task to contain the passing of guardiola/platini, and the attacking of weah/cristiano.

on the other hand i really like mjj's team, barnes was a terrific player, and donadoni was very good in attack, and had the tenacity and hardworking traits that are valuable in stifling cristiano. having two beasts in midfield to transition (and boy could gullit transition, just a monster), with a creater/ demon pairing in cantona/shevchenko. Baresi Costacurta is an iron defence, barsei himself was probably one of the greatest defenders ever if not the greatest.

I actually think cristiano can be very easily negated in a game of this magnitude. the problem for mjj is that he faces not just the danger of cristiano's speed and aerial prowess, but also the power of weah, lead by the genius of platini.

i like the balance and overall dynamic of mjj's team much more, but that foursome of aldo's could be so unstoppable. i'll probably vote for mjj but wait for now.
 
Why do you need Platini to play false 9 here? Is there any need for him to make those runs into the box? I mean even if he was to play as number 10, he would do at times. Here, with Ronaldo and Weap up top, he is better off in a pure AM role.
Given how he was equally good at creating and scoring I wouldn't want to limit his role. A false 9 gives full freedom to him to take the situation in hand and decide whether to drop deep or go into the box, hence bringing out his best.

What's the thinking behind Bossis right / Irwin left?
Struck me too in the draft thread. As I said there, Bossis CAN play RB - and I think he did so on occasion early in his career. But I would've gone for Irwin at RB - seems the more natural choice to me unless there is indeed a particular tactical disposition behind it.
There isn't a huge reason to go with one over the another IMO. As I mentioned in the tactics that while both of them would provide width when necessary, their ball playing skills would be far more valuable.

The problem is that Cristiano, the little brat, won't let Platini take those freekicks. He'll waste them all - or else go into a sulk when the manager insists that he lets a true master deal with 'em.
Platini is the free kick taker, that's not even a question. :p
 
I don't see how MJJ would execute counters effectively here. Given I have so much creativity and ball playing from deep of the quality of Pep, Irwin and Bossis, I would never have the defense push up, instead as told in the write up we would look to turn defense into attack as quickly as possible, be it diagonals from fullbacks or a incisive through ball from Pep. If anything we'd be executing much better counters with the deadly pace of Cristiano and Weah up front and the creativity and vision of Pep and Platini finding them with ease. Platini was a hard working player, he would always be there in his own half when we don't have the ball and getting it fairly early to start a quick transition. Costacurta and Tassotti are two defenders not blessed with pace, who can easily suffer with someone like Cristiano running at them. While Walker was one of the quickest CBs out there, so not sure if he'd be beaten much with pace.

Plus there's a lot more protection. I love Gullit as a player but I'm not that confident of him being at his best in a midfield two. His best came as a AM, and even if he will put in a shift in midfield, he cannot protect the defense better than Essien and Lerby both were absolute powerhouses in terms of energy and workrate and defensive ability and spent their careers doing that job. So I really don't see much scope for counters here.
 
I don't see what MJJs answer to Guardiola and Platini is. With those two to aim for and PPlatini himself arriving in the box, he'll get torn apart.
 
I dont think that its that one sided. MJJ can play really narrow and tight defense. I am not sure how Aldo´s team could use space on the wings efficiently. Aldo has incredible big names in his offense, but MJJ has also some of the best defenders out there and a great partnership with Baresi, Donadoni, Costacurta, Albertini and Tassotti.
The two players I am really cofused about are Gullit and Bossis. Bossis is not really fitting into the team (besides the fact that he played with platini - on a different position), but he is "only" a fullback and he´ll be fine on the defensive end. Gullit on the other hand is MJJ´s star player. How often did he actually play in this role? Am I just ignorant and the only one who is a bit curious about his role?
 
I dont think that its that one sided. MJJ can play really narrow and tight defense. I am not sure how Aldo´s team could use space on the wings efficiently. Aldo has incredible big names in his offense, but MJJ has also some of the best defenders out there and a great partnership with Baresi, Donadoni, Costacurta, Albertini and Tassotti.
The two players I am really cofused about are Gullit and Bossis. Bossis is not really fitting into the team (besides the fact that he played with platini - on a different position), but he is "only" a fullback and he´ll be fine on the defensive end. Gullit on the other hand is MJJ´s star player. How often did he actually play in this role? Am I just ignorant and the only one who is a bit curious about his role?

Gullit is one of my favorite players of all time. I wouldn't hold it against him at all for playing in the midfield(RM/AM/SS/CM) or even the defense as a sweeper or libero. His abilities are very universal ones, great ability to keep the ball once he had it and never lost it basically thanks to his great physique and balance.

He had stamina, pace and acceleration for a big guy and of course the ability to bully opponents physically especially in the air. But he was also great with the ball as well, good enough to be played in a midfield two most certainly. Pretty much good in every area of the game without being specialized at a lot except for his physicality and intelligence..

Ideally of course he'd be part of a midfield trio for me, that way he could be unleashed to provide width when necessary - playmaking when necessary - a presence in the box when necessary and so on.
 
I dont think that its that one sided. MJJ can play really narrow and tight defense. I am not sure how Aldo´s team could use space on the wings efficiently. Aldo has incredible big names in his offense, but MJJ has also some of the best defenders out there and a great partnership with Baresi, Donadoni, Costacurta, Albertini and Tassotti.
The two players I am really cofused about are Gullit and Bossis. Bossis is not really fitting into the team (besides the fact that he played with platini - on a different position), but he is "only" a fullback and he´ll be fine on the defensive end. Gullit on the other hand is MJJ´s star player. How often did he actually play in this role? Am I just ignorant and the only one who is a bit curious about his role?
I dont think that its that one sided. MJJ can play really narrow and tight defense. I am not sure how Aldo´s team could use space on the wings efficiently. Aldo has incredible big names in his offense, but MJJ has also some of the best defenders out there and a great partnership with Baresi, Donadoni, Costacurta, Albertini and Tassotti.
The two players I am really cofused about are Gullit and Bossis. Bossis is not really fitting into the team (besides the fact that he played with platini - on a different position), but he is "only" a fullback and he´ll be fine on the defensive end. Gullit on the other hand is MJJ´s star player. How often did he actually play in this role? Am I just ignorant and the only one who is a bit curious about his role?
The right side might be a bit narrow, yes, but there's ample width on the left. Irwin ran up and down the flank his whole career and Lerby played as a left sided box to box midfielder. Of course Cristiano is a free roaming forward here and there would be plenty of times he'd receive the ball on the flank and dart in towards the box.

It's incredible how often Irwin goes underrated in these drafts. He's not a fancy name agreed and didn't have the International career like other top names because of his nationality but he was one of the most consistent players to have ever played for us and a tremendous component of the team that dominated the Premier League and won the treble. He's an undisputed name in the United best XI and rarely ever had a bad game. How many times can you remember him getting completely dominated by the opposition fullback? I rate Donadoni, he was a very useful player for Milan but I don't think anyone in their right mind would suggest that he would dominate Irwin here, in fact I'd put my money on Irwin getting out of the battle on top 3 times out of 5, at the very least.
 
Gullit is one of my favorite players of all time. I wouldn't hold it against him at all for playing in the midfield(RM/AM/SS/CM) or even the defense as a sweeper or libero. His abilities are very universal ones, great ability to keep the ball once he had it and never lost it basically thanks to his great physique and balance.

He had stamina, pace and acceleration for a big guy and of course the ability to bully opponents physically especially in the air. But he was also great with the ball as well, good enough to be played in a midfield two most certainly. Pretty much good in every area of the game without being specialized at a lot except for his physicality and intelligence..

Ideally of course he'd be part of a midfield trio for me, that way he could be unleashed to provide width when necessary - playmaking when necessary - a presence in the box when necessary and so on.
Yep, when I had him in my plans it was to have him behind Platini as a third CM who would breaki into the box when Platini drops deep, so that his attacking play isn't wasted.

Over here, specially next to Albertini, the midfield seems really unbalanced to me. Those two have the job to contain Platini while being harried constantly by Lerby and Essien and I'd say they'd get outrun in that area.
 
Yep, when I had him in my plans it was to have him behind Platini as a third CM who would breaki into the box when Platini drops deep, so that his attacking play isn't wasted.

Over here, specially next to Albertini, the midfield seems really unbalanced to me. Those two have the job to contain Platini while being harried constantly by Lerby and Essien and I'd say they'd get outrun in that area.

More than outrun I believe he'd be too focused on his defensive work to get to use his offensive game as well which is of course bad when half of your abilities were offensive as well.

I believe Platini would have a field day here though as the game would be very back and forth which suits Cristiano and Weah perfectly. I can't see how the defense has an answer to it, the Italian super defenses surely didn't have an answer against Platini when he played for Juventus.

Either they try to cover Ronaldo/Weah and leave Platini to aim and score as he was the best goal-scoring playmaker in history. Or they shut down Platini and he finds Ronaldo/Weah in space behind the defensive line.

I would have liked to see a DM here who stayed on the right side of Platini as he wasn't that fast. That way the defensive line would just have had to worry about Weah and Cristiano which they'd have handled well in my eyes. Of course you can't limit Platini by just using a DM, but here he is left pretty much free to reign supreme.
 
just to clarify. Did Gullit actually ever play in a defensive role?
Not at his peak, he did it much later on in his career at Chelsea afaik.

But given his skillset I won't hold it against anyone to play him in a midfield role, as a box to box player, that's as far as you can go without bordering on "wasting" him. Next to a proper DM like Rijkaard for example, that would work. But if he's given the most defensive role in midfield, that too against someone like Platini, I'm afraid it's a bit of a waste.
 
just to clarify. Did Gullit actually ever play in a defensive role?

Yes. Gullit has been played as a Sweeper, Libero, DM, Side midfielder, winger, AM, SS and even as a striker. He would do a top job in all those roles, but like said he has a broad skill-set which allowed him to be rated so highly.

So if you play him as a sweeper or as defensive as I believe he will be here then you miss out on half of his abilities which of course works against him.
 
Not at his peak, he did it much later on in his career at Chelsea afaik.

But given his skillset I won't hold it against anyone to play him in a midfield role, as a box to box player, that's as far as you can go without bordering on "wasting" him. Next to a proper DM like Rijkaard for example, that would work. But if he's given the most defensive role in midfield, that too against someone like Platini, I'm afraid it's a bit of a waste.

Sweeper Gullit is fine as well, he played there for Harlem where he stayed until he was 20 years old which is how he made a name for himself. He was still scoring goals for fun as a sweeper as he pushed up the pitch a lot.

So for me if you play Gullit as a sweeper/libero that would be alright as well and I'd rate him highly. But considering the limitations in this drafts(TP points) you want to get the best out of your TP players rather than use them in utility roles.
 
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I would vote for MJJ to win on the counter, but I'm having trouble looking past Guardiola being unmolested by Cantona in that part of field. Feels like he'd find a pass to Ronaldo, Platini or Weah with the amount of time he'd got.
 
There's no space for him to counter in, in fact I'd be the happier side sitting deep and using Guardiola, Bossis and Irwin to spray the ball with ease and have the pace of Cristiano and Weah to exploit.
 
I would vote for MJJ to win on the counter, but I'm having trouble looking past Guardiola being unmolested by Cantona in that part of field. Feels like he'd find a pass to Ronaldo, Platini or Weah with the amount of time he'd got.


Not really, guadiola will be free to pass the ball to any one of them only when I am sitting back. I dont mind him having the ball and as good as platini,ronaldo and weah were/are even they can't beat six men to score.

He can't send through balls as am simply denying him the space to do so.

On the other hand, I have Barnes against bossis, someone who didnt play the majority of his career at right back. Shevchenko and cantona against walker and Montero. Remember when ronaldo played as a striker against barca? He will simply be denied the space he needs to be effective.

It's easier for me to score and my path to goal is lot simple.
 
I would have sworn Bosssis made the French League Team of the Year as a right back, maybe even twice. Anyone remember how those awards were called/who published them?
 
And the route to goal is not something I can see tbh. Basically relying completely on wingers against two fullbacks who are top class defensively isn't going to work against a packed defense with two strong defensive midfielders constantly helping out. The CBs will clear the crosses all day long while there's hardly any space behind the defense to exploit.

On the other side there's a clear creating-scoring combination with Guardiola and Platini both being far more creative than anyone in his team and starting counters looking for Cristiano and Weah making runs. An easy route to goal if there ever was.

Who is stopping Platini here?
 
I would have sworn Bosssis made the French League Team of the Year as a right back, maybe even twice. Anyone remember how those awards were called/who published them?
He played as a right back for half a decade from 76 till 81, a 5 year period during which Nantes won the title twice and finished runners up twice.
 
He played as a right back for half a decade from 76 till 81, a 5 year period during which Nantes won the title twice and finished runners up twice.

Yeah, that was my impression, originally a RB, definitely right-footed, and likely switched to the left because Battiston and then Amoros were great options out right. It's very common with great defenders that they will take up different roles to accomodate the better alternatives elsewhere. With Bossis you knew you had a great player on the right, left or centrally so you would just work out what your strongest setup is for the other three roles and insert him in the vacant place. Sounds weird but there's sense in it.

He made the Onze Mondial European Team of the Year six times in the space of seven years. Not too shabby, and here we are questioning whether he can do his job. :lol:
 
I would have sworn Bosssis made the French League Team of the Year as a right back, maybe even twice. Anyone remember how those awards were called/who published them?

He only played there two years from what I found. If we are judging by his whole career that should count against him, as he didnt play there for most of his career.