Top 6 prediction 2016-2017

Who will win the league?

  • Leicester

  • Man Utd

  • Tottenham

  • Arsenal

  • Chelsea

  • Man City

  • Liverpool


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Both United and Liverpool had far more injuries than Arsenal last season and yet United finished only 5 points behind them and Liverpool 11. Both included managerial and tactical changes too compared to a stable Arsenal and Liverpool selected weakened teams near the end of the season to concentrate on the EL. I don't think Arsenal's injury list can be used as any excuse considering the advantages they held last season over most other clubs in the PL.

I'm aware Man Utd & Newcastle obtained more injuries than Arsenal last campaign hence why I never judged these teams because of how immensely handicapped they were throughout he season. In my opinion if United were luckier with the injuries in 2015-15 Van Gaal could've led them to the title.
Liverpool I'll accept had to change tactically in the middle of he season but that doesn't take away from the fact they've spent vast more amounts of money than Arsenal yet they've been way more incompetent in all aspects and as for Manchester United tactically Van Gaal had already laid down the foundations in the second part of the 2014-15 season thus you already had some stability and something to build on going in to the following campaign but despite spending £100 million more United still managed to end up 5 points behind Arsenal.

I concur with you on us having advantages over our rivals such as a settled squad, cohesive playing style and overall the best team & manager but how can we effectively make us of these benefits if there's 9-10 players out through injury at the same time? Its just simply impossible to challenge on three or four fronts in that scenario.
 
Not crowing at all, just pointing out the irony of your stupid "irrelevant" comment. Next time I suggest you make sure your brain is engaged before you hit the keyboard. As for Liverpool fans only happy when you win things, lol, take a look on RAWK, they're crowing every season about how it's "their year" to win the league. Totally deluded. I have NEVER heard or seen a spurs fan claim that we will win the league before the season starts like Liverpool fans do.
Yeah. Not wanting to jump into your debate but as an aside .. everyone on RedCafe needs to realise that not only are RAWK not representative of most Liverpool supporters but they are actually a source of great amusement and despised by the other 19 Liverpool fan forums (or whatever the exact number is).
 
Of course not. 16% more is not far more at all is it. An extra 45 match days without one of our players :rolleyes:

Depends on whether its a key player or not. Also I like how you ignored that United very clearly did not have "far more" injuries so you really were just talking nonsense.
 
Liverpool I'll accept had to change tactically in the middle of he season but that doesn't take away from the fact they've spent vast more amounts of money than Arsenal yet they've been way more incompetent in all aspects ......

I concur with you on us having advantages over our rivals such as a settled squad, cohesive playing style and overall the best team & manager but how can we effectively make us of these benefits if there's 9-10 players out through injury at the same time? Its just simply impossible to challenge on three or four fronts in that scenario.

I can't disagree with you on incompetence in the transfer market ! The facts speak for themselves and we've lost players for the sake of £1m or so that may have made a big difference since by not getting them we ended up with inadequate replacements.

As for the italicised and underlines sentence - that was exactly the situation Liverpool and to a degree, United, found themselves in last season. It is notable that both Leicester and Spurs had great seasons with relatively stable 1st teams.
 
Depends on whether its a key player or not. Also I like how you ignored that United very clearly did not have "far more" injuries so you really were just talking nonsense.
My bad re. United I remember seeing them at the top of that table at one time and it stuck. Though good of you to also ignore Liverpool having FAR MORE injury days and yet give a BS response to that in 'Depends on whether its a key player or not' (guess you forgot Sturridge was out virtually the whole season). Which also applies to your 239 injury days (45 less than us in case you forgot).
 
Yes, you're correct that we're not happy with that. What's your point?

The original poster said "... we aren't happy for top four every year ....", as if that's what you've been getting, when actually in recent times you haven't. That's my point.

It leads on to a further implied point, namely that, realistically speaking, United should first and foremost be aiming to re-establish themselves back in the top 4 again.
 
The original poster said "... we aren't happy for top four every year ....", as if that's what you've been getting, when actually in recent times you haven't. That's my point.

It leads on to a further implied point, namely that, realistically speaking, United should first and foremost be aiming to re-establish themselves back in the top 4 again.

No, he said that we aren’t happy for top four every year, as we shouldn’t. No-one said we’ve been in the top 4 last 3 years. Wummers gonna wum :rolleyes:
 
you can't tell this is a United forum can you..68% think we'll win it :lol:
 
My bad re. United I remember seeing them at the top of that table at one time and it stuck. Though good of you to also ignore Liverpool having FAR MORE injury days and yet give a BS response to that in 'Depends on whether its a key player or not' (guess you forgot Sturridge was out virtually the whole season). Which also applies to your 239 injury days (45 less than us in case you forgot).

I already gave my response. To me 284 to 239 is not "far more". Its just "more". 284 to Leicester City's 77 would be "far more" to me, but this is just semantics.

Us Arsenal fans have been used to being 1st or 2nd on the injury table for the last 12-14 years before last season (our best injury league performance since 2001 or something and we were still 5th in the league in most injured) so I'm not really convinced by your injuries excuse for last season.
 
No, he said that we aren’t happy for top four every year, as we shouldn’t. No-one said we’ve been in the top 4 last 3 years. Wummers gonna wum :rolleyes:

You say "no", as if I've misquoted, and then proceed to give the same quote from the poster that I gave :wenger:

Anyhow, don't you agree that United should first and foremost be aiming to re-establish themselves back in the top 4 again?
 
I already gave my response. To me 284 to 239 is not "far more". Its just "more". 284 to Leicester City's 77 would be "far more" to me, but this is just semantics.

Us Arsenal fans have been used to being 1st or 2nd on the injury table for the last 12-14 years before last season (our best injury league performance since 2001 or something and we were still 5th in the league in most injured) so I'm not really convinced by your injuries excuse for last season
Then I just guess mathematics just isn't your strong point. Because although to you 45 days more isn't 'far more', in fact over a 38 game season that converts to pulling one more player out than Arsenal every match, and two more in 7 of those games. If it were 100 matches per season you may be correct and wouldn't be 'far more', however over 38 games it's statistically important.
 
Then I just guess mathematics just isn't your strong point. Because although to you 45 days more isn't 'far more', in fact over a 38 game season that converts to pulling one more player out than Arsenal every match, and two more in 7 of those games. If it were 100 matches per season you may be correct and wouldn't be 'far more', however over 38 games it's statistically important.

Its not math its semantics on the vague phrase "far more" but whatever gets you through the night, keep making excuses!
 
You say "no", as if I've misquoted, and then proceed to give the same quote from the poster that I gave :wenger:

Anyhow, don't you agree that United should first and foremost be aiming to re-establish themselves back in the top 4 again?

The difference between my comment and your’s is that you quoted him and added your own words ”as if that’s what you’ve been getting”. No-one said that. He simply said that "we aren’t happy for top four every year” which we aren’t. I wouldn’t be happy with finishing fourth this season. The amount of years in a row we’ve finished outside top 4 is one, so no, I don’t see the need to ”re-establish ourselves back in the top 4 again.” It will happen automatically via finishing higher than fourth.
 
I'm not sure if I'm more surprised at how many people think united will win the league or that 30 people think Leicester will win it back to back.
 
I'm not sure if I'm more surprised at how many people think united will win the league or that 30 people think Leicester will win it back to back.

Thread title was 2015-2016 top 6 prediction because OP made a mistake, so that's why haha.
 
Settled squad, settled mactnager?The fact is your club haven't the league since 2004. That will be 13 years this year if youse do it, a bit too settled. There is no real progression on the pitch. Yeah Arsenal won two back to back FA cups in recent times but they should be aiming for the league . Everybody knows the deficiencies in the side but they are never addressed in the transfer window.

I can't believe that you don't question Wenger at this stage. I respect the man for what he's done. I do question his ability to create leaders in a team. He inherited many leader's from George Graham when he came to Arsenal which led to there success in my opinion. He had the backbone of players like Adams,Dixon,Seaman ect and then Wenger brought the style. You're team lack steel and are mentally fragile. Rival fans know it, the media do and your own fans do. Arsenal broke mentally when youse bottled the league against Birmingham. It was sad that Eduardo broke his leg that day but youse collapsed. Your captain that day Gallas showed the club up, something broke in Arsenal that day and it hasn't been the same since. Don't give me injuries as an excuse last year, absolute rubbish excuse. Arteta and Rosicky would have made such a difference?

You prefer Arsenal's approach to not spending crazy money, like United on Depay and Schnierdelin? Wow, if crazy money is spending less than 30m I don't know. We spend because we are trying to get to the top, we aren't happy for top four every year. The club also bring through it's own talent too, Arsenal should know that more than anyone from last season. You used the word edge in your post, that's something that Arsenal lack. Real cutting edge, when you play badly and get a result away to us our city when it matters.

The bulk of those 13 years we were handicapped financially due to the stadium move the club chose to pay off with their own money and it was during the period the credit crunch hit which further set back the clubs economic progression plans.
Since 2013 I believe we've improved our defensive approach to games and defended more as a collective unit, Wenger has shown more tactical flexibility through integrating a more counter attacking system when we set up not to dominate possession and we have more characters in the team compared to 5 or 6 years ago so overall your claim Arsenal haven't progressed on the pitch is ignorant. What are the deficiencies in the Arsenal side? Why do you assume all the problems are certain to be addressed by delving into the transfer market?

I do question Wenger and have done increasingly especially after last campaign but I'm not an emotional fan incapable of analysing the situation thoroughly and putting things into perspective. Arsene like all managers has his flaws but he's still the right man to take this club forward in my opinion.
No leaders? Viera for me is Arsenals best ever captain whom Wenger signed, developed and appointed as skipper during the clubs best ever period 2001-2005.
I think Arteta was a highly underrated leader for Arsenal and a good captain that whom alongside Mertersacker changed the teams mentality bringing more togetherness between the players which was non-existant with the preceeding squad that included players like Nasri, Van Persie and those other trouble-making bottlers.


The fact Arsenal came so close to winning the league in 2008 when we were weakened financially and up against arguably the greatest ever Chelsea & Mancheser United sides speaks volumes of Wengers management skills. It was embarrassing the way that team imploded following Eduardo's injury very similarly to how Tottenham blew-up last season but we ended up three points behind the team who went on to win the champions league and league title that year when everyone predicted Arsenal to drop out the top four after losing Henry and Ljunberg.

Its obvious that our transfer strategy is more prudent and proficient compared to the majority of sides as we spend big only on proven truly world class players whilst still bringing through youth and importing bargains like Elneny, Koscielny and Cazorla. Wenger would never purchase Di Maria for £60m or Shevchenko for £30m as he assesses football and all the aspects fully which truly benefit us.
Manchester United haven't been in the top four consistently for 4 seasons now and theres no guarantee things are certain to alter in the upcoming campaigns as the premier league has become more competitive than ever and I have doubts over Mourinhos abiliy when up against more than two managers as serious contenders as next campaign it'll be Conte, Pochetinno, Guardiola, Raneiri, Koemen, Klopp, Bilic and of course Arsene himself so your deluded if you believe Manchester United are to get beyond top 4 as you haven't been capable of sustaining yourself in the top positions in four seasons.
 
The fact Arsenal came so close to winning the league in 2008 when we were weakened financially and up against arguably the greatest ever Chelsea & Mancheser United sides speaks volumes of Wengers management skills. It was embarrassing the way that team imploded following Eduardo's injury very similarly to how Tottenham blew-up last season but we ended up three points behind the team who went on to win the champions league and league title that year when everyone predicted Arsenal to drop out the top four after losing Henry and Ljunberg.

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I remember that season. And wasn't at any stage worried you'd win it.
Contrast that to when we've been against strong Chelsea, City, and even your last title winning teams.
 
100% of those 68% thought exactly the same when the mighty Blind, Herrara, Di Maria and Falcao were bought. :)

I must admit I ticked United too.
But at least I admit mine is sheer Mourinho optimism.

Noone really has a clue how it'll shape up, us, City and Chelsea all under new managers, Leicester still won't be pushovers, even Kante less, Arsenal, as much as we love to mock them will always at least pretend to be knocking on the door for a long time, and Klopp sort of seemed to be getting a lot out of his boys, although finishing 8th when he came a mere 2months into the season doesn't smack of promise to me.

To conclude, who knows, but it's definitely up for grabs, especially now we've lost this "maybe aim for 4th", "Lower expectations" gashfest
 
Agreed no one knows other than optimism but the blind idiotic predictions given with such conviction in this thread are RAWKesque. Klopp, a world class manager by all accounts, like you say came in two months into a shit setup thanks to Rodgers and finished 8th.

What does that indicate about about Mourinho entering LvG's mess and Pep to some of Pellegrini's (where are your four worldy CBs Pep? You're gonna need 'em). Money don't solve everything, but time can if you're a proven manager. That is the only thing Klopp holds over all these renovators coming in.
 
I'm surprised so many people think we'll mount a title challenge nevermind winning the league. I wouldn't be surprised if we struggled to make top 4 as we don't have enough quality in the squad.
 
I want us to win obviously, and hope so! But being realistic (as much as you can be before the season starts), I'd go with:
1) City
2) Chelsea
3) Arsenal/Liverpool or Spurs
4) United?
5) Everton/Leicester
6) West Ham?
 
I want us to win obviously, and hope so! But being realistic (as much as you can be before the season starts), I'd go with:
1) City
2) Chelsea
3) Arsenal/Liverpool or Spurs
4) United?
5) Everton/Leicester
6) West Ham?

So do you mean that either Arsenal, Liverpool or Spurs finish 3rd but the two teams that don’t, won’t even finish in top 6?
 
So do you mean that either Arsenal, Liverpool or Spurs finish 3rd but the two teams that don’t, won’t even finish in top 6?
I haven't a clue what will happen, I just think there'a possibility that any of those three might be able to get 3rd. Of the two that don't make 3rd, I expect them to be in the top six making my 5th and 6th predictions redundant I guess.

I really think it's hard to predict anything really. Hell Leicester might defend their title, who knows.

All I know is that I just don't have a great feeling about United at the moment..... and hoping I'm so wrong!
 
I haven't a clue what will happen, I just think there'a possibility that any of those three might be able to get 3rd. Of the two that don't make 3rd, I expect them to be in the top six making my 5th and 6th predictions redundant I guess.

I really think it's hard to predict anything really. Hell Leicester might defend their title, who knows.

All I know is that I just don't have a great feeling about United at the moment..... and hoping I'm so wrong!

I hear you re: making predictions, it’s not easy - which makes the league once more exciting. Re: United, I’m pretty sure that we’ll finish in top 2.
 
I hear you re: making predictions, it’s not easy - which makes the league once more exciting. Re: United, I’m pretty sure that we’ll finish in top 2.
I hope so...
 
I hear you re: making predictions, it’s not easy - which makes the league once more exciting. Re: United, I’m pretty sure that we’ll finish in top 2.
How can you be sure?? I suggest you don't bet the farm on it, I suspect the competition will be ferocious from 6 or 7 teams. Man Utd, Man City and Chelsea all have squad overhauls to do and new managers to instil their ways and methods. I wouldn't be at all surprised if all three have slow starts even if they come strong in the second half, but it may be too late by then to make a challenge for the top places. It's all very much in the air and nobody can be "sure" of anything. It wouldn't surprise me if in the first half of the season, the top 4 places are filled by teams such as Arsenal, Spurs, West Ham, Liverpool, Southampton, Everton, not in any particular order but all those teams could be challenging for the top 4 places. Maybe even Leicester will be back up there too !!
 
How can you be sure?? I suggest you don't bet the farm on it, I suspect the competition will be ferocious from 6 or 7 teams. Man Utd, Man City and Chelsea all have squad overhauls to do and new managers to instil their ways and methods. I wouldn't be at all surprised if all three have slow starts even if they come strong in the second half, but it may be too late by then to make a challenge for the top places. It's all very much in the air and nobody can be "sure" of anything. It wouldn't surprise me if in the first half of the season, the top 4 places are filled by teams such as Arsenal, Spurs, West Ham, Liverpool, Southampton, Everton, not in any particular order but all those teams could be challenging for the top 4 places. Maybe even Leicester will be back up there too !!

Guess it’s called faith in your team/club. Of course it’s not 100%, but if Pogba signs for us, we sure have a top 2 side with a manager who’s quite used to winning.