Us wanting a manager doesn't make him world class though. As far as I am concerned there are only 2 genuine world class managers in the world right now and are managing our biggest rivals. Rest are all who have yet to prove everything.
Whats crazy is 5/8 goals conceded came in one game against West brom
Before jumping in, you may at least have read that I never said he was not doing a good job. All I highlighted was that he is not a world class manager yet and has everything to prove to even consider that as something passable.
Chelsea have a horrible run in. I would wait to see how much he has gained by the end of the season. They still have to play away to City for starters.
We can almost afford to lose to City. And if Utd win today and West Ham fail to win tomorrow, we can absolutely afford to lose. So the City game will almost be irrelevant
He's not but if we judged from the basis that helped you come to the conclusion Tuchel isn't then he would be.
Im almost certain its still a "honeymoon period" to some. Incredible
They seem almost identical to man city under tuchel where they are just well oiled machine of being defensively solid where they barely conceed goals and doing what needs to be done to pick up 3 points without an out and out striker. If they recruit a world class forward in the summer then they will be a major threat to city
A new manager bounce/honeymoon period suggests many players burst into form out of novelty/relief of change, with the exception of CHO that just simply wasn't the case.
Ok fair - I do think you should acknowledge his cup win though. I actually agree he’s not world class FYI but that might change if he can bring in the CL.
Managers can't really win.
When you discount the first few games of the season, where our team was clearly not fit, our defense has been as good as any. As Pogue pointed out in his thread yesterday, if you extrapolate that across the season then we have the meanest defense in league. We also have the best form in the league, while having obvious areas of improvement, just like Chelsea.
What you have to remember is, what Tuchel is essentially doing is shoring up that defence with a 5 man backline and two sitters/defensively minded players in Jorginho and Kante. I don't think that will be the system he perseveres with so the question is what he will bring in next season and will it work. With us and City you know what we're looking to do, with Chelsea you can see what they're currently doing but you don't quite yet know what they're building towards at the moment.
Its a back 5. All modern fullbacks attack, its like claiming Utd play with a back 2 because Shaw and AWB push so far forward.
Reece James was your main attacking outlet long before Tuchel was in charge. James to Giroud and hope he sticks it in.
There's a flip side to every argument. Obviously CL is one of the toughest to win, but you can always get lucky in a cup run. That's why a league is a true barometer of a side's performance over the course of the season, and thus logically for a manager as well it's the true test of his ability.
I am not talking about your chances for top 4. It was in response to someone asking how many points you have gained on United since Tuchel has been there. I just said let's wait till the end of the season to count that since we have already played some of our toughest fixtures while you still have City and Leicester.
Yeah I will definitely give Zidane. Those 3 CL wins on the trot will take some doing to break for any manager/side.
You don't have to look far. Under Ole as a caretaker, we had a better run than you have had now under Tuchel, but the next season really caused a lot of pain till we got Bruno in. Not necessary that Tuchel will be the same, but you can never discount players playing out of their skin to stay relevant for the next season as it's a new manager.
Tuchel is definitely better than Lampard. I was merely pointing out he isn't world class. Surely all you Chelsea fans will acknowledge the same as you have had truly world class managers at the helm. Jose (first time around) and Ancelotti (he was excellent those 2 seasons). Tuchel is nowhere near that category yet.
Only apt response to that car crash of a post
Ancelotti wasn't excellent for two season's, his second season was basically an even lesser version of United 17/18, ala awful performances getting results well beyond what was deserved (largely thanks to the keeper).
I used to like South Park, not seen it in fecking yrs though
Two years back we were heading into the home straight 5th with Liverpool, United and Leicester as our final three away games, no one gave us a hope especially with the EL schedule alongside it but we not only got top 4 but wound up 3rd.
Since when did Real Madrid become our rivals?
Considering we have been a better team than Chelsea for two seasons now it’s incredibly negative to start spouting loads of crap about how we are not going to be at that level but Chelsea are. The same stuff was said last summer after Chelsea spent all their money and yet Utd have easily been better. We still have the younger squad, better players and honestly Ole is proving to be a very good manager. I haven’t got time for fans who look at Utd in the most pessimistic way and rivals in the most positive. How is that support?
Chelsea cant really be considered on a similar level until they actually prove it. Their record over the last 2 seasons is average at best, let them go on a season run and see where they are. Right now they are 5 points above Spurs who are having a terrible season. That squad has floundered long enough that the wait and see approach cant hold weight. We have seen at this stage
Beavis and Butthead is the cartoon of all cartoons, though
