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Not so sure
Man.. you need to take a nap and collect yourself
We are COMFORTABLY the 2nd best team remaining in the Europa League. It just so happens that the #1 team will likely not prioritize the cup due to Arsenal being in the title race. So by that logic, we are favourites for that competition. Nobody else remaining is on the level of United and Arsenal. 1 loss and we are shite apparently, fecking hell, this place sometimes is so laughably knee jerkMan.. you need to take a nap and collect yourself
No point when I won't sleep,cannot believe you are using the term kneejerk. We just lost 7-0 to our bitter rivals in our worst performance ever FFS
Yes and now because we lost our 3rd game in 34 games, suddenly we are shite and would struggle against Bayer Leverkusen or Roma?
Calm down. We need to bounce back, mentally it is important but anybody doubting where we stand as a team, our general quality, the path we are on etc, is being ridiculously dramatic and needs a nap to think straight.You keep saying it’s just one loss and yes it is, but it’s also an absolute tumping!! Like not even real it’s so bad of a loss, who knows how the players will react to this. Nothing is a given. the players will be shitting themselves in the next game and betis will be right up for it to have a go at us.Man.. you need to take a nap and collect yourself
hopefully we just get back on track winning but that’s easier said than done, the last month of games have all been close games to be fair, we’re not smashing teams.
Yes and now because we lost our 3rd game in 34 games, suddenly we are shite and would struggle against Bayer Leverkusen or Roma?
It's the scoreline which flattens me totally
Yeah this result could set us back a few weeks but really hope I am completely wrong
Fatigue is going to creep in for sure.
Thats why its imperative we spend the money in the summer to further rejuvenate the squad.
ETH clearly doesn't rate a few of the existing players. Let him bring his own in.
Thats why its imperative we spend the money in the summer to further rejuvenate the squad.
ETH clearly doesn't rate a few of the existing players. Let him bring his own in.
Of course that's the biggest concern from this game. Making sure it doesn't affect them going forward. I don't think it will be anything other than a (really) bad 45 minutes of football. If we go out and have a good game vs Betis on Thursday, then all is back to normal basically. So... yeah, no use in getting too worked up.
Also the last month of games have been tight as we played barca twice, newcastle in the cup final, west ham in the fa cup shortly after with a rotated squad, played 3 league games without casemiro while focusing on the cup games etc. It's been a hectic schedule where our priorities were Barca and Newcastle, while still ensuring we did the job in the other games. We passed that with flying colours. Set back today, but pick ourselves up and go on another big run. That's all there is to do.
Honestly from my POV, the scale of the defeat, whether it was 2-0 or 7-0 matters very little in the grand scheme of things. It's embarrassing, but the main impact in that is fan bragging rights (which isn't something that matters a whole lot if we're being honest).
Ultimately it doesn't matter much whether it was 3-0 or 7-0 beyond their fans laughing at us. We lost. We react the same way whether it was 1-0 or 7-0.
We need Qatari's to get the right summer
Don't feel anywhere near as bad if it's less than 4 because wouldn't have been worse than last season but sadly it's horrific
Back to normal by beating Betis,hmmm
Yes. Because the focus goes on to the rest of the season. We won 9 and drew 2 of the 11 games before the Liverpool game. Beat Barca. Won the league cup. A bad day today doesn't even begin to erase that. So yeah. A win vs Betis and have 1 foot in the quarter finals of the Europa League and we are fine.
I agree with most of that and it’s been a tough month yeah, I think losing 7-0 instead of a 2-0makes a huge difference to the players though, I don’t care about bragging rights of other fans to be honest. We didn’t hear a peep out of scousers for twenty years, I find it funny how loud they are now after a few years of winning a couple of trophies.
we’re 7 points clear of dropping out of top four and that can disappear in a flash, never mind over 13 games. I certainly don’t think top four is a given already. Leeds, Leicester and Newcastle all basically outplayed us in the first half of those games, even if there was no Casemiro.
maybe go strong against betis to try and bounce back and get to get it out of our system but the Fulham game i’d really like to see Casemiro, rashford, Bruno and a few others given a rest ready to kick on in the league again.
I think England needs to get rid of one of their cups. I think that additional cup could be responsible for English team not performing better at European competitions. Maybe a terrible take from me, but can someone explain to me the purpose of EFL? I think we won it at expense of our team getting totally mentally and physically depleted.
Hope we don't repeat the drop-off from ole's first two seasons.
This.
Competing full strength on 4 fronts is extremely hard and requires lot more quality in the squad then we have now.
Nigh on impossible to go through a +60 games season and not have periods when things are not working. Erik needs to be humble and rotate a lot from here on in.
Nigh on impossible to go through a +60 games season and not have periods when things are not working. Erik needs to be humble and rotate a lot from here on in.
Fatigue is going to be our biggest opponent for rest of the season
Traditionally the team who wins the league cup tends to also win another trophy and do very well in the CL because it’s usually a top club who can easily navigate rotation through the early rounds and then turn up for the two legged semi and final. The league cup has also given an opportunity for the likes of Swansea, Bradford, Birmingham, Southampton, Newcastle to play and win Wembley finals because sometimes the big clubs don’t get away with makeshifitng their team through the competition.
Other than scrapping the two legged semi which definitely needs to be done once CL and Europa is expanded the league cup should remain. So yes it is a terrible take from you. If it was such a massive inconvenience for Manchester United perhaps they shouldn’t have been playing their strongest team in it.
General thread point but not sure how fatigue was the issue last night considering more than half of our team that played yesterday didn’t actually play at all in midweek and the ones who did played less than 45 mins. Liverpool ironically did actually play in midweek and rested about two.
No need for excuses, the players disgraced the club just as they’ve done previously and just as they’ll do again..
This is complete bullshit of too many games, we have a big squad now. The first 11 plus the likes of Maguire, Lindelof, Sabitzer, Sancho, Malacia, Mctominay, and Garnacho which makes it 18 players. That is more than enough and every player has gotten enough rest recently bar Bruno who has played nonstop.
Casemiro had a 3 match suspension and was rested during the week, same with Varane who was rested completely. Martinez was suspended against Barca and then rested during the week as well. Shaw has been rested with Malacia playing in place of him, Antony has been out due to injury and recently came back, Fred was not being utilized until Eriksen got injured. So he has recently started playing frequently.
Dalot was also injured and only came back recently and has been rested for AWB and played only 1st half against Newcastle and also was subbed against Westham.
Casemiro had a 3 match suspension and was rested during the week, same with Varane who was rested completely. Martinez was suspended against Barca and then rested during the week as well. Shaw has been rested with Malacia playing in place of him, Antony has been out due to injury and recently came back, Fred was not being utilized until Eriksen got injured. So he has recently started playing frequently.
Dalot was also injured and only came back recently and has been rested for AWB and played only 1st half against Newcastle and also was subbed against Westham.
Not sure if how you think the body works matches reality
So what are you suggesting that these players are given rest every 3 days and only play once a week?
Liverpool played with the same team in midweek against Wolves and the went on to defeat us yesterday. Most of our team had more rest against Liverpool then their counterparts.
I believe this is a mere excuse for our performance yesterday. In fact against Arsenal where they had a full week and we just played 3 days before against Palace, we seemed more energetic and had more about us then yesterday when Varane, Casemiro, Rashford, Fred, Shaw and Martinez were rested and only played some mins.
It’s just hard for people to admit or believe that we collectively shat our pants and played like school boys, and our most dependable players did the most basic and unusual errors.
its the build up of physical and metal fatigue from playing so many (and high pressure) games in a short time, not that some players had a few more days rest than others directly before this game. It’s not hard to understand.
The squad isn't equipped this season to deal with the fixture load, we've played the most football since the world cup.
Better depth and quality, especially dependable cover for the likes of Eriksen (who we badly miss) and Casemiro and a proper number 9 next season will put us in a better position.
We have been playing many games with Weghorst as a starter by the way (and getting away with it)
We also need to sort out our wide attackers, we need better (bar Rashford)
Better depth and quality, especially dependable cover for the likes of Eriksen (who we badly miss) and Casemiro and a proper number 9 next season will put us in a better position.
We have been playing many games with Weghorst as a starter by the way (and getting away with it)
We also need to sort out our wide attackers, we need better (bar Rashford)
This was a one off, we matched Liverpool first half, and 2 goals either side of halftime killed the teams morale.
Unacceptable that we lost composure the way we did, and we were extremely naive in the way we tried to get back into the game at 2-0 and left our defense wide open.
Saying that I don't expect it to happen again this season, no matter who we face, one thing this season is that we correct our mistakes after a loss
It’s not an excuse for yesterday, but you can’t continue playing a game every three days, it’s constant and unsustainable.
Utd have got top 4 in the bag, only a few hard teams left to play, should be looking to add the Europa league this season too, FA cup will be alot harder with City in it but you never know,
I’m a bit worried that we don’t have enough left in the tank to convincingly beat Betis and Southampton which we desperately need to happen right now.
Spanish sides are a nightmare at the best of times, one of the worst possible fixtures we could have next.
Spanish sides are a nightmare at the best of times, one of the worst possible fixtures we could have next.
It'd be pretty foolish to scrap the cup you're in the quarter final of with a plum home draw.
Especially when the Europa has about 20 rounds to go.
It wasn't fatigue that fecked us yesterday. It contributed, certainly. But we were arguably the better team in the first half. The difference was United downed tools after the 2nd goal and Liverpool to their credit were extremely clinical and we weren't.
It reminded me of the Roma game all those years back. The one thing we do need to stop doing is putting players out of position to accommodate the extremely ordinary player Wout Weghorst.
It reminded me of the Roma game all those years back. The one thing we do need to stop doing is putting players out of position to accommodate the extremely ordinary player Wout Weghorst.
FA Cup is only 3 games Europa is 7. I'm not advocating for us dropping anything just know that it could fall to pieces.
This is a risky plan. What if Tottenham get going, what if Newcastle get back on track after the disappointment of the Carabou Cup (and they have games in hand) top-4 could easily become: Arsenal/City/Spurs/Newcastle. That would probably lead to your manager being sacked (its in the contract) with just his league cup win and 7:0 to Liverpool as his legacy.
Oh my 400th post - yeh!
If we are bad enough to lose against Fulham in the FA Cup at home and against Betis in the EL, i'm sure we can also bottle 4th. Not the other way around though.
Also where did you get the information that ETH is getting sacked if he finishes outside top 4? You read the contract?
Tiredness is a huge thing - emotionaland physical. If top four is what matters most, then the cups need to take a hit. If we had played a second 11 in FA and Carling Cups we probably would be out of both. But yesterday wouldn't have happened (though we still might have lost.)
id give bruno and varane 2 weeks off, for different reasons both look off it.
No idea why some people are saying scrap the FA cup. Why on earth why would you scrap a trophy you could win in 3 games which equates to 1 game a month, or just over for the Final (March, April, June). We can more than easily focus on securing top 4 and the FA cup. Bananas thinking.
If we drop anything, i.e fully rest players for although we should still win, it should be the EL. 4 more extra games to win (7), flying all over Europe and playing on Thursdays. If our squad players manage to keep us in the EL then at some point we can move our focus from top 4 to EL.
If we drop anything, i.e fully rest players for although we should still win, it should be the EL. 4 more extra games to win (7), flying all over Europe and playing on Thursdays. If our squad players manage to keep us in the EL then at some point we can move our focus from top 4 to EL.
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Too much of a Spurs' mentality, bin off every competition but still win nothing anyway and then develop a loser's complex.