Anyone think that Milan could have leaked the information after he left
Tonali & Zaniolo questioned by Italian police for illegal betting activities | Tonali charged by FA for betting while at Newcastle
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And the millions are still getting ripped off.
Short of banning it outright I'd cap the amount you're able to bet as a function of your annual income and debt profile. I'd also invalidate illegitimate bets placed. No payout, no loss. Criminalize knee capping, bet ads, bet sponsors, and so on.
It isn't the most people who gamble within their means who need protection. It's the (large) minority who get addicted, called "whales" by the industry. Those people will end up finding your Paulie the bookie, or Paulie finding them is perhaps the better way to put it.
Underground gambling is already a massive industry (half a trillion dollars per year just in the US ) and as bad as the legal gambling industry is, the underground one is worse. That's where addicts will go and be made if you just ban the bookies.
The US has a much bigger problem with gambling addiction than the UK, at least partly because the legal industry in the US is a lot less regulated. For example, the UK has more stringent advertising laws.
Ease of access is a problem, but one that won't be solved when it's so easy to bet through illegal avenues. That's where you'll end up channelling the people who need help. And if drugs are anything to go by, good luck policing that, I don't think we have either the appetite or the resources, we'll just end up with more lost people. Put more resources into regulating stuff like advertising, education and mental health care instead and try to stop the pull of gambling before it starts.
(This doesn't necessarily have much directly to do with Tonali. He could be an addict, he could just be greedy/stupid. This is just a topic I have interest in as I've seen how horrid gambling addiction can be.)
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Milan doing Newcastle a kipper is a wonderful thing. TheFA need to punish him and continue to send a message, just like they did with Toney.
Addiction is horrendous and needs addressing, but that is for the club and the player to sort out. He has the wealth and capacity to seek this help, way more than your average Joe who has probably been left with nothing following a serious gambling problem.
Addiction is horrendous and needs addressing, but that is for the club and the player to sort out. He has the wealth and capacity to seek this help, way more than your average Joe who has probably been left with nothing following a serious gambling problem.
Tonali basically got off with a fine, Ivan Toney will be livid
Because they're completely different cases. Tonali simply hadn't been in England long enough to rack up the number of offences Toney had.
Judging from the reporting, Tonali made ~50 bets and the few times it was on Newcastle, he only bet on them to win. Toney made hundreds of bets and bet on his own team to lose multiple times (albeit when he wasn't playing).
Tough one to call for me. Might be wrong, but I was under the impression it was basically one period of gambling that started in Italy and continued in England. That once he was charged by the Italian FA he stopped betting in England?
18th October - announced he was under investigation in Italy
26th October - banned for 10 months
March - Charged with breaking the English FA's betting rules between 12th August-12th October
Two different jurisdictions, and they do have the power to come down heavy on him in both. At least to me though, it would partly feel like one long offence. The possibility of two bans seems like it could be harsh, almost like getting punished for the same thing twice.
Is it better to remain at one club and break the gambling rules for a period of time over starting to break them in one country, move, and continue to break them elsewhere for the same length of time altogether?
Going down my line of thinking would require the Italian FA to punish him sufficiently to begin with, a let them deal with it approach. I'm not sure how many breaches of the rules there were in Italy off the top of my head and don't know how his punishment there compared to other cases so can't comment on that. 10 months is a considerable length of time though. I think the absolute best thing to do should have been one big joint-investigation by both authorities, with one punishment. If not legally possible then at least do everything at the same time. Not sure why that didn't happen, otherwise you get a lot of questions!
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Back playing tonight. I bet he'll hit the ground running.
He bettor.
First goalscoer 16/1
Anytime goalscorer 11/2
To be booked 3/1
Anytime goalscorer 11/2
To be booked 3/1
Gambling
He best not best Best.
He's too good for fecking Newcastle, you hate to see it. The type of midfielder we've been crying out for at United.