This nonce couldn't play in a midfield 5 ffs
Tom Cleverley | 2014/15 Performances (on loan at Aston Villa)
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Saw this on RAWK. Depressingly funny.
Both him and Fletch were abysmal. It says a lot when lee cattermole dominates the midfield.
It'l be a shame if he doesnt improve, had high hopes from him and welbeck under LVG.
It'l be a shame if he doesnt improve, had high hopes from him and welbeck under LVG.
They stole that from here.
Typical Scousers.
EDIT: The Clevidal photo.
Typical Scousers.
EDIT: The Clevidal photo.
His passing accuracy isn't that bad, in fact, it's pretty good. It's just the direction of the pass that fails him. Sad thing is, I could see him thrive in a confident team with a bit of confidence in himself. I think LVG sees something like this in him and will keep him on. Will never be a big wage earner so always a decent squad player if he finds form. If he could tackle and read the game better he would be a great holding midfielder as his passing is simple but could be effective.
Out of all the deadwood, I'd give Tom the chance because of his passing ability. I'd certainly keep him ahead of Fletcher, Anderson and Fellaini.
Out of all the deadwood, I'd give Tom the chance because of his passing ability. I'd certainly keep him ahead of Fletcher, Anderson and Fellaini.
The accuracy is largely a result of playing no risk (and no gain) passes nearly all the time. "If he could tackle and read the game better" - is he realistically going to acquire those attributes at the age of 25?
What I hate the most is how he constantly does this stupid hand thing to ask for the ball, only because he wants to make another 2 yard pass to another defender and repeat the same 1 minute later.
Henderson is a better presser, tackler, passer, and tries to create something. He's transformed from being a peripheral figure, to being one of Liverpool's most important players. He more or less guarantees you at least 7/10 performances every week. In the same period (11-14), Cleverley has only produced half a season of consistency - that's it. It's sad that the only thing he guarantees is a very good passing accuracy, and we all know why that is.
let's be clear, he only does that when he has already assessed that he has no opposition player too close to him, and he has a clear view of the defender he will pass it back to.
I remember days when Paul Scholes demanded the ball with two players on him already, but that was the start of an attack.
It's probably the most annoying thing I've ever seen a united player do. He does it all the fecking time. He also moans like mad at other players when they mis place a pass, when this fraud can't play a 40 yard pass to save his life. He's another coward who's been here far too long, he's an absolute hindrance. Get rid ffs.
Sad to see his regression, but in the end it also exposes his mental fragility/weakness. Not a United type player in either mental toughness or football ability.
That Cleverley thread after that Community Shield game 3 years ago... oh how we praised our new prodigy...
I occasionally feel for the lad when he's on the pitch since he's obviously very low on confidence but sympathy only lasts so long, especially when he continually bigs himself up in interviews - or am I wrong there? He's 25 now and it's just not working out for him at United.... maybe Van Gaal can resurrect his career but yeah, come January i'd personally be thinking of selling him if things haven't improved. Torture watching him at the moment.
Tom needs to move on. The fear of making mistakes like so many of the players here has zapped any confidence he had left. Needs to find that at another club in the prem. He won't be the first or the last that's had to leave a, big club to find his game again.
Can I just mention - where has this 'shrinks away and doesn't want the ball pussy' thing come from? Watching the game again the guy is standing there with his arms out 90% of the time howling for the ball and sometimes I am sat here thinking why the hell do you not make a simple pass to him. Finally Valencia comes miles off his wing to do that and hits him this ugly ball peeling away behind him that he has to trap with his back to goal and Cattermole up his arse and play a pass back to his unmarked defenders.
I just think this odd - alright call his lack of go forward into question but I've seen him literally howling at Fletch for the ball at least 7 times in the opening 25 minutes of this game.
I just think this odd - alright call his lack of go forward into question but I've seen him literally howling at Fletch for the ball at least 7 times in the opening 25 minutes of this game.
I saw that a bit last season too and I think it's basically a case of the rest of the squad not having confidence in him at the moment. Can't think of anything else really.
Yeah, I know what you mean there, but in the end, he's a living a dream, and getting paid a shit load of money to do it. So that's when the sympathy ends.
If his not good enough, he should be moved on ASAP, and he's had ample time to rediscover his form or prove himself. He'll build a solid career for himself, so I'm not too fussed anymore.
Would have loved it if he made it here, but we need the calibre of players who will stand up and be counted when the going gets tough.
Simply put, he might thrive at a smaller club, where the expectation is less and he has time to prove himself.
In addition to my bashing yesterday, after watching MOTD2 last night, there was one attack where Clevereley stopped tracking back when Buckley was taking on Young and Blackett, which resulted in a massive gap for Buckley to cut inside and then played a through ball for Wickham/Larsson (shot was saved by De Gea I believe).
He just stopped running. It was unbelievable. The gap was just gaping and I'm sure Buckley couldn't believe it.
It's embarassing that he's United quality. I'm fairly certain that I could have done better yesterday. Everything he did was just predictable and lacked any creativity or inspiration.
Getting rid of players was just as an important objective as bringing in players in this window, and so far, we have not done the former well enough.
He just stopped running. It was unbelievable. The gap was just gaping and I'm sure Buckley couldn't believe it.
It's embarassing that he's United quality. I'm fairly certain that I could have done better yesterday. Everything he did was just predictable and lacked any creativity or inspiration.
Getting rid of players was just as an important objective as bringing in players in this window, and so far, we have not done the former well enough.
He was shocking yesterday. The English Xavi, my hole. He's not good enough and never was. I hope he does well somewhere else. Seems a good lad.
That wouldn't be a problem if it was a one off, but he's far too error prone and safe. Someone (I think it was Sixpence) was saying he'll pass he ball and then run away pretending to look busy which I can't disagree with.
Yeah, fair call that is. Or 'designated outlet' players? It seems to me that from the middle they'll ignore a dish off and move into space if a player has come deep. I just feel that Cleverley playing with a number 10 in front of him is completely pointless. Take away his defensive duties by all means but he makes the dart forward and then he's bang sat there next to the no10 and nearly every time that other player usually passes to Mata (or the 10) every time. It makes us very unbalanced.
far be it for me to give a Premier league footballer any advice, but surely on one of those 20-30 times he got the ball just outside the penalty box he could try a shot or a forward pass.
Just once!
If it flies into the stand, oh well you tried. But not to ever shoot!
Shame none fell to Mata. he'd have a shot.
Just once!
If it flies into the stand, oh well you tried. But not to ever shoot!
Shame none fell to Mata. he'd have a shot.
Or when he was injured after a good run of games, we all literally thought he was the key! Oh we've got Cleverley out, when he's back we'll be fine. Type stuff.
Cleverley said he was perfect for LVGs style. He lied to us fellas
Been saying on here for years that no way am I having that he is better than Anderson. I think Ando gets worse and worse by his absence, however he is a better footballer than Cleverley, Fletcher and Fellaini for me.
All four of them are not good enough though.
All four of them are not good enough though.
Yup, seen that as well and pointed it out during matchday thread. It's the same kind of mistake that cost us a goal against Swans. Midfielders are overloading the wing for some reason and then don't track back to their zone, which results in 16th yard being wide open.
This perhaps is the single most frustrating aspect of all our squad players, is that not a single one of them ever puts that extra mile in to try and force their way into the team.
Cleverly yesterday ambled around, didn't try to impose himself on the game in any way, was lazy and dim witted in his play, he was embarrassing.
It's not in any way comparable but when I used to play in the 00s I was dropped out out of the starting line up of our Saturday league team because another local team had broken up and our manager had some shiny new toys he wanted to put in the side (plus they had mates in the side already).
I turned up for 4 games on the bounce and didn't get on the pitch.
The 5th match I came on in the second half as a left back (I was a winger/striker) when we were 2-0 down. I set up 2 and scored one, put a load of crunching tackles in and went on to start every game for the rest of the season.
I don't see any desire from our squad players at all.
To be fair I think a lot of fans in desperation for a quality midfielder were seeing things in players and he'd be a good example that just wasn't there. Throw in the fact he was a young English lad and it was amplified even more again. Understandable enough I suppose.
His technique is sort of bending down on one side, bringing his shoulder near his fecking kneecap, and side footing it. His passing technique is weird too. He just looks ridiculous in a team like United's midfield.
Worst thing about Cleverley seems to be that he's mentally very brittle. When pressured he plays with a fear of failing and a nervousness to go along with it, rather than standing up, taking the situation on and doing something positive. He seems like the opposite of what a Manchester United player should be.
needs to play tomorrow I think. Try and get some confidence against some players who he should outclass easily.
I think what annoys me about Clev is that I don't get the vibe from him that he knows has something to prove. I don't really feel that he's giving everything or he's looking to take responsibility etc. If he was working really hard for the team but just lacked that bit of quality it would be one thing but it just feels that he thinks what he's doing is fine. It could be the other way and maybe he's just scared to make a mistake but then I guess you'd say he lacks the mentality to play at this level.
He and Fletcher were both terrible yesterday but at least Fletcher has an excuse for why he looks slow in terms of physical and mental thinking. I don't know what Clev's excuse is bar a pure lack of ability and mental strength.
He and Fletcher were both terrible yesterday but at least Fletcher has an excuse for why he looks slow in terms of physical and mental thinking. I don't know what Clev's excuse is bar a pure lack of ability and mental strength.
I always believe the making of a good player is to think how good he would look playing for a smaller side. Take Van Persie for example, throw him into Cardiff for example and I still reckon he'd look class. I honestly don't believe Cleverley would even stand out at a team of that ilk. Nothing against the guy, but he really isn't close to being United class. I can't think of one game where he has really stood out. It's time to move him on for his sake and the club.
I genuinely think that if we sign Di Maria, Blind and De Jong, he'll be sold before this transfer window closes.
Unfortunately, I agree, mentally he is too weak to play for United. His confidence has vanished and whenever he makes a mistake he looks visibly shaken, he needs to restart his career elsewhere.
At one point I thought he could become "our Xavi-lite" and reach a very good level.
Has he really regressed though? Yeah he was ok at the start of the 11/12 season but since then he's been just awful ever since, he's weak, can't pass, can't tackle. He needs to go ASAP. If we weren't so light in numbers in CM I think he would of been sold
You're possibly right, but he was nowhere near this "shit" - constantly and showed some promising signs.
Maybe it was more blind faith/hope or romanticism of wanting a homegrown player to "make it" I suppose, but he wasn't as bad and as consistently shit as he has been for the past year and a bit.
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