If Martinez rates him still after that, get the money.
Tom Cleverley | 2014/15 Performances (on loan at Aston Villa)
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That's what someone like De Jong would do. But atleast De Jong can win the ball back.
Nope, that dubious honour goes to Valencia and Fletcher. Joint award.
I've seen better players in my local league.
Wouldn't get into another premier league team.
Wouldn't get into another premier league team.
Oooh I fecking hate the way he swings his leg after passing it. Infuriating.
He got more involved today and did try to get stuck in. Tried to hit some cross field balls and get some quick passing in. Has so little confidence though and if we had a fit squad, he wouldn't make the bench. Fletcher was very poor today, our whole team lacked pace front to back, including middle of the park.
Both Cleverley and Fletcher were absolutely terrible. The result was acceptable, but the performance...
He isn't a bad player. He's just the epitome of averageness and gormlessness.
I mean he'll never play a quick pass or a risky pass. It's always taking 2 or 3 touches before making a really easy pass to the guy next to him or behind him. He absolutely kills the tempo of the team and adds nothing attacking wise.
I mean he'll never play a quick pass or a risky pass. It's always taking 2 or 3 touches before making a really easy pass to the guy next to him or behind him. He absolutely kills the tempo of the team and adds nothing attacking wise.
Him and young need to go. West Ham or someone like that would suit them.
Scapegoating never did anything for anyone. Just makes you look like a cnut. Move on.
How many times did he give the ball away today, I'm sure I counted three times in the first five minutes alone.
'Arry's going to be in the market after the hiding today. Hopefully we can offload some junk to that lot.
He's a joke of a player these days. Genuinely wouldn't get in most premier league teams. He used to be good, now he's just become a pussy and is too scared to do anything with it and seems to have lost any bit of talent he had as well.
You'd think after that he'd be the worst player on the pitch, but yet he was better than fletcher.
Give him to Roberto Martinez..... FOR FREE.
We laughed at Henderson.
But he is so worse than Henderson.
But he is so worse than Henderson.
He was truly awful today....Clevs, Fletcher and Mata should be nowhere near our first team
Not even close really.
He represents what's worse in today's English football. Absolute laziness and lack of character. Already wants to be a star with a fancy haircut but can't even make a breakthrough pass, a shot or any type of run against Sunderland who outplayed us in midfield like some top European team.
Of course you can't blame him and put him under any critique because he's young and learning in the age of 25 and yes there are still people who will defend his performances.
The feckers like him are using Van Gaal's patience for club's younger players and doing absolutely nothing to improve while cashing in some solid money for that type of lousy excuse of football but of course we're too hard on young and talented Cleverley.
This club needs to go back to it's roots from it's ambitious era when manager could axe anyone including maestros like Beckham, Veron and Van Nistelrooy. If you let these type of amateurs run the show you will lose the team like Moyes did.
Of course you can't blame him and put him under any critique because he's young and learning in the age of 25 and yes there are still people who will defend his performances.
The feckers like him are using Van Gaal's patience for club's younger players and doing absolutely nothing to improve while cashing in some solid money for that type of lousy excuse of football but of course we're too hard on young and talented Cleverley.
This club needs to go back to it's roots from it's ambitious era when manager could axe anyone including maestros like Beckham, Veron and Van Nistelrooy. If you let these type of amateurs run the show you will lose the team like Moyes did.
Well Henderson made me laugh at Liverpool in the beginning, Cleverley has made cry for years now at manchester United. The day this boy leaves the club and I don't have to ever see him in our colours again will be one of the happiest days in my life. I absolutley hate Cleverley, there is no player in the squad that make my guts turn as much as this guy, I want him out, I don't even care if it is on a free I want him out. I'd even prefer to play an completley green academy player over him or settle for playing one of our wingers or defenders or even attackers out of position rather than give Cleverley one more minute on the pitch, hell I'd rather we play with a man less than to have Cleverley on the pitch, truely awfull player in every sense of the word.
Terrible player. Fletch is no better, and neither should make it into September at this club.
I'd start Rothwell ahead of either.
I'd start Rothwell ahead of either.
Fraud
When does his contract run out?
Can't believe he is older than Toni Kroos.
Can't believe he is older than Toni Kroos.
He was a little better after Fletcher went off but that combination is football Kryptonite, the first half was as poor a Man Utd midfield duo as I've ever seen, Cattermole looked like Vidal in there against them, even Seb Larson was too much at times for Fletcher.
Well Berbatov used to score goals for us but still slowed down our play and didn't get involved enough which negatively affected the whole balance of our forward play....He was never a Utd player and I fear Mata is not too
The one that actually scored a goal and was involved in our attacks...wtf ?
I'd probably start Fred the red ahead of either, in fact I think playing with a man less is beter than to have those aholes in the team, what a disgraceful players. Unbelievable how they have earned the privelege to call themselves United players, get to wear the shirt and play for such massive crowds and get paid so much money for doing it. If I would be doing such a poor job at my work, my boss would fire me instantly, they can't even do the basics of football right, they are worthless footballers and they have the mentality of absolute pussies on the pitch ! Disgrace to our club, I 'am ashamed these shits can call themselve United players, the mentality and skill these guys put on the pitch is not what I'am supporter off, Sir Alex Ferguson would not have stand for such bollocks, he would not have let our club be ridiculed in this way, these two have to go, I don't want to see a single minute of them anymore this year or ever !
The real sad thing is that we can't even ship him off to the likes of West Ham. Him and Fletcher played like two pub league players today, even the Championship would be embarassed to have midfielders like that.
Complains when he doesn't get the ball, but all he ever does is just pass it staright back.
He'll be playing in the Championship 3 years from now, I have never been more sure of anything in my life.
He'll be playing in the Championship 3 years from now, I have never been more sure of anything in my life.
Of course we can ship him off. Doesn't he just have a year left on his deal? Wasn't that the basis for that ridiculous 55k new deal story?
We could sell him to Martinez for 3-5m. Personally, I wouldn't care if we'd make no money from the deal.
We could sell him to Martinez for 3-5m. Personally, I wouldn't care if we'd make no money from the deal.
Did not do much right tonight, tried to defend sporadically, had no idea what to do whilst attacking the opposition. Him and Fletch are done. Time to invest in getting Herrera a decent partner.
Clevs did pretty well when he was a supporting player under SAF but when things aren't going well there are really no redeeming qualities about him. Has tailed off considerably since he first came onto the team. He is a counterattack waiting to happen.
Way to soon to have Mata in the same category as Berbatov...He is a playmaker and he needs good players around him to be able to really impact the game, if nobody is making runs or all good balls get wasted by pour first touches and being to slow in the excution than having Mata in your team boils down to not much more than an occasional goal from him and a few good passes that will usually result into nothing. He has proven last year he can score goals on a consistent basis and deliver plenty of assists, when he has good players around him with pace like he had at Chelsea then he can be one of the best in the league, but if you have players like Young, Valencia with no footballing brain or RVP and Rooney who just don't move about as your only support play than he can only do so much.
Apart from our defenders and De gea he is the one that annoyed me the least out there today. He has undoubtably got alot of quality and unlike Berbatov he doesn't sulk around all game, he actually makes some runs, goes on to get the ball, gets his hands dirty, he is not fantastic at it, but he is far more usefull player than Berbatov ever was and he is a million times more usefull than Fletcher or Cleverley. I really don't get why you lash out at him like that, if there is one player in the team next to januzaj and in a few days Di Maria who could turn things around for us, it his him no doubt.
Diabolical today. One of the worst performances I've seen.
You can't really laugh at Henderson anymore, he has emerged as a very good player.
I bet you after a couple of days, a few come in and say he's a good squad player.
He's not. He's lower league class.
He's not. He's lower league class.
Played well today I think but he didn't get to play enough in the pre-season to get over the hump.. Actually it was Rooney and Mata who came and literally took the ball away from him a couple of times, turned around and only then realized that there was no one to pass it to after that.. He clearly isn't trusted with the ball and it shows..
I'm sorry but he's utter shit. And what's that sideways shimmy he always does before he passes the ball, does my head in.
He's not even Championship level; he's League 1 caliber alright.
Very good post.
I also have enough with a number of our English players who think they can have immunity because they're English. Well, I say FECK THEM! From the moment they offer nothing, the manager should have no qualms in axing them once and for all. Are Everton still interested in him? I would sell that whiny little b**** to them for United's good conscience.
Very good post.
I also have enough with a number of our English players who think they can have immunity because they're English. Well, I say FECK THEM! From the moment they offer nothing, the manager should have no qualms in axing them once and for all. Are Everton still interested in him? I would sell that whiny little b**** to them for United's good conscience.
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