Toby Alderweireld
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Maguire isnt really a ball-playing CB though? I mean hes better then our current shite but still Alderweireld has got a better pass on him from what I've seen.
If the choice is between Alderweireld, Maguire and Boeteng then Toby wins out by miles. Far better injury record than Boeteng and a far better player than Maguire.
I'd certainly have him down as one. He can shield the ball well from pressing players, can play some nice balls between the lines, have seen him hit some lovely cross field balls, can carry the ball forwards, dribbling past opposition players. I think he's a really good one personally.
Dunno if I'd say he's better than Toby because, like I said, I don't have an opinion on him (never noticed him when watching Spurs) but I think he's good enough for us.
Seriously? Just look at Jose’s defensive record over the years and let’s have that conversation again
Carvalho played 7 seasons at Chelsea, he also inherited Terry and the rest were brought as backup for less than 10m each. Paulo Fereira was also pretty useful signing, not to mention Ashley Cole and Belletti for 3-4m was it?
Next is Lucio who was absolute rock and vital for Inter in that treble year.
Zouma is the only "high profile" signing you can call it a failure over the years. You can't seriously compare Toby type of signing to bringing up some odd backup at 2-3m. It's like saying Fergie had a poor transfer record due to bringing guys like Dong and Ljajic, Tosic, etc..
I'll stick to central defenders as that was your original argument....
Carvalho who I always had down as a reluctant taxi driver more than a footballer was a great signing for Chelsea, no denying that, but it's not as though you can give Mourinho any credit for signing him as he'd been his player at Porto for years previously and nobody else would've been prepared to spend the near £20m Chelsea paid for a 28/29 year old who had never played outside Portugal before.
There's still time for Zouma yet, but Chelsea unlike a few clubs, United included, could see past the fact the guy had a charge for battering his 15 year old girlfriend hanging over him when he was available and walked away from any possible deal, and rightly so, but we'll hear a lot more of him over the next few years of that I have no doubt.
That’s my concern with Toby. I’ve just never noticed him. Worried that Soton and Spurs systems flattered defenders. Spurs replaced him easily with Sanchez last year.
They dropped down in the table and let in ten goals more in the league compared to the season before when he was playing. Sanchez is nowhere near his level, he is big, strong and fast - but not a smart defender at all.
Fair point. Didn’t realise they got so many points two years ago.
We lost both our starting fullbacks (and most of the pace in our backline without Rose and Walker) as well as Wanyama for most of the season.
The fact Spurs defence did not completely crater is kind of remarkable.
Ok, let's stick to CB's. He recalled Jorge Costa from loan at Porto - a key member in the CL campaign, EL campaign as well as the two league titles.
Formed a great pair along with Carvalho at Porto, then he took him at Chelsea(regardless of you want to give him credit or not that was a masterstroke considering how good the Chelsea defence was at the time).
At Chelsea he made Terry captain and along with Carvalho formed the CB pair with years to come.
Up until he was sacked he only brought Alex as a CB (Boulahrouz was used as a RB) and he didn't even buy him as he returned from loan.
At Inter he only bought Lucio - and yes he was great that season.
At Real he brought in Carvalho for 8m EUR - by no means failure - they had the best defence in CL and bettered their defensive record in the league as well compared to the previous year under Pellegrini.
Next year he bought Varane for 10m EUR - another coup.
In his last Real year he promoted Nacho.
In his second stint at Chelsea he bought Zouma in the winter and Djilobodji next season for 2.7m pounds, later sold him for 8m pounds to Sunderland a year later, tripling his value.
At United he bought Lindelof and Bailly.
So please do tell us how his CB record isn't close to perfect?
Kind of amazing the time he has spent on this forum trying to convince people that painfully average Smalling is the greatest human being and Ever fecking Banega is some magnificent midfielder.
Didn't he sign Ben Haim?
Even if we got only two top draw seasons out of him that would be good. Anything that helps bridge the gap on city can only be viewed as good, even if it is short term.
I’d rather have a 29 year old Rolls Royce than a brand new Kia (sorry to any Kia owners out there). Couldn’t think of another analogy.
Point being he is class regardless of his age.
Then you're in for a very problematic and expensive car ownership. You think some footballers are injury prone? You're in for a shock then with your old Rolls. You'll be constantly tinkering and repairing it. Meanwhile, the brand new Kia will run and run every day, and with better performance than the Rolls too. One of the worst analogies ever
Alderweireld would be a massive improvement on what we have. I'd take him in a heartbeat .
Harry Maguire? I don't see much of an improvement if any over what we have already.
Harry Maguire? I don't see much of an improvement if any over what we have already.
Yeah that one too. Got him for free as a 4th/5th choice CB and later Chelsea sold him for 5m pounds a year later.
I said at the start of the transfer window that we always turn our transfer business into a drama, I got shot down and reminded that we had a few weeks to go, well we are down to a few days now and it's certainly going to be a drama, if Alderweireld wants to join, and we want him, just f...g sign him.
Then you're in for a very problematic and expensive car ownership. You think some footballers are injury prone? You're in for a shock then with your old Rolls. You'll be constantly tinkering and repairing it. Meanwhile, the brand new Kia will run and run every day, and with better performance than the Rolls too. One of the worst analogies ever
I'd still rather have the Rolls.
Won't happen unless Martial is part of the deal. Your manager is doing you no good moaning in the press everyday as this just strengthens Levy hand in the deal as your options are becoming less and less.
Both players want to leave their clubs so its in your court, name your price for Martial and we will tell you what we want for Toby. I would imagine it will involve us paying you £10m ish.
We don't have any obligation to sell Martial for 25m Euros next season, whereas you've for Toby. Besides, the time has passed for Martial to be included in this deal. I guess it'll be around 50m for Toby and the deal will be done.
I think there was only one Rolls Royce type of centre back linked to us and that was Bonucci. Alderweireld is not quite that level, especially distribution wise, but he's by far the best of the rest linked.
He couldn't get back in to the Spurs team when fit. Did anyone else think he was pretty Shiite at the world cup? I actually don't want us to buy a CB, more concerning positions like full back and RIGHT WING
I would'nt do a deal to swap Alderweireld for Martial as I'm not obsessed with getting a new CB, my point is, IF united wanted Toby then why leave it so late ? The situation is no different now than it was 5 weeks ago.
prob because the highlighted players here are well not top class, he plays defensive so will usually have a better defence record then most teams. surely not hard to understand that, also was Zidane that got the Varane deal over the line, so surely no one can give Jose the credit for that deal.
Widely regarded as having a solid world cup and was dropped by Spurs due to them preparing for life without him
Dream on
From the games I watched at the world cup, he looked like he was running with the hand brake still on. Cart horse and caught out plenty. Would be happy to eat my words and for him to come and make an impact but not too optimistic about either signing him or him performing well if he does come
out of the 4 we are linked with he would be the best, he the best leader out the 4 and the best out and out defender, organises as well. injury record is the only concern, we should just offer £50m and see what they say if its not to be we move on.
Two points
1) Him not getting back into Spurs team had nothing to do with his quality. Pochettino has previous in doing this to players who want to move on. See Walker in the 16/17 season.
2) Toby was good at the WC. Not sure if you had even seen the WC, if you had come to the conclusion that he was shite.
Bonucci had a torrid season at Milan though.
Watched plenty to make a judgement. Belgium had plenty of the ball and when they were countered a few times he looked like a slug. I can understand not getting into the Spurs team a little more as they had Sanchez in and Vertonghen was brilliant. Look I would love to be proved wrong.... just not feeling it
Hope we sign a goal scoring winger first.
I probably picked the wrong thread for this argument. If you look at the list, when he has signed known quantities such as Carvalho & Lucio they've worked out well, we all know Toby would be a decent centre half for us. Its the potential Mina signing which would worry me.
He also didn't sign any centre halves at Porto, just worked with what was already there.
Not gonna happen - Spurs are in no position to be spending any money until they clear out all their deadwood (Llorente, Rose, etc.) - and the clock is ticking.
You're are having a shocker of a window.
Take it up with transfermarkt (https://www.transfermarkt.com/jose-mourinho/spielertransfers/trainer/781/plus/0?station_id=2498) not me, they have him as a centre half and I have that little memory of him at Chelsea that I wouldn't be able to tell you where he played.
Bite the bullet and pay the £60M for him and go 3 at the back.
I don't understand this. Martial is not for sale. Demanding a player that's not for sale to be part of a deal for a defender who you wouldn't mind selling does not work.
I know. Juve still wanted him back though. I think his class will show this season.
Well yea, he also recalled Costa tho and used him well. Think Jose is pretty good at spotting or buying the CB he needs.
Agreed on both accounts. Toby IMO would be class for us, but not so Mina.
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