Times: Wayne Rooney - Man Utd lack character, heart and emotion

That is all a reason but can anyone honestly say Brighton and Brentford, on paper, are better? The reason they won other than just better organisation is genuinely cos they wanted it more. They chased our players down and did what they were told

You can have Pep and Klopp managing you but if you don't play with the right energy they want them no point. It is one of the reasons Fergie managed to win with such average players at times, they worked damn hard and made the most of their talent

"Heart" etc. may be generic but it is absolutely true that it is vital to be successful. If they aren't motivated and willing to play with everything then they will cost

True to an extent of course, effort does matter. I might get a little stick for this but I do think Brighton and Brentford are better run than us. They sign excellently and play very good styles of football. Both of them are run by footballing betting men (Tony Bloom and Mathew Benham) - it's no coincidence that they run their clubs very well given the skillset needed to be successful in betting in sports (data, analytics, excellent recruitement, finding an edge etc).
 
And now we maybe sell two of three players Rooney says have character :lol: I’m not saying Rooney or United are wrong, but it’s a strange world!
 
Why's it important that every quality should have a number attached to it? So that armchair experts on caf, social media etc who love to pass expert opinions about a player in Turkey based on whoscored stats can talk a big talk?

Plenty of ex footballers who've been there and done it consider it a trait they see and value. I'd say even casual fans can see how certain players wilt under pressure while others don't which I doubt even you'd disagree so it's odd to say it can't be quantified so it's pointless.

I think its pointless because whenever a team loses, pundits like Keane or Souness say its character as if the only thing that is required for footballing success is having the biggest balls. Keane is the worst for it. Whenever United lose, he gets angry and insist that the players should have kicked someone.
 
How does this help us right now ? Seriously, all of our ex players needs to feck off. It's just putting more pressure on ETH.

Yeah, I get that it's just an interview and he is stating his opinion. But I am only thinking about the pool game now.

Fully agree. Rooney's no guru. His only management experience in England is taking Derby down without a fight (and yes I know there were mitigating circumstances, but still, they went down without a fight with good players) and then jumped ship to the MLS. But his word is taken as gospel.
 
He is not wrong, but did he mention Sancho though?

Sancho is as guilty as anyone for lacking heart, fight, movement or sometimes ability in that squad. Which then made me realize that our front line was pretty depressing.
 
Fully agree. Rooney's no guru. His only management experience in England is taking Derby down without a fight (and yes I know there were mitigating circumstances, but still, they went down without a fight with good players) and then jumped ship to the MLS. But his word is taken as gospel.
Without a fight :lol:
 
I kind of disagree.
We are all now just talking about this ‘philosophy’ because they have looked more successful than they did last season.

No one cares about his philosophy last season. All that has changed is a bunch of better quality players in my opinion.

People are noticing it more now because of their good start, but it's been a fundamental part of their approach. It was always there
 
Without a fight :lol:

Yes without a fight. Without the points deduction they would have finished 17th and that's with an above average Championship squad. Rooney's got so much fight in him that he jumped at the chance to join the MLS at the first opportunity rather than stay in the bearpit that is English football.
 
Yes without a fight. Without the points deduction they would have finished 17th and that's with an above average Championship squad. Rooney's got so much fight in him that he jumped at the chance to join the MLS at the first opportunity rather than stay in the bearpit that is English football.

The points deduction definitely affected them outside of just looking at the points total at the end though, it hung over them the entire season and it couldn't have been easy navigating that. He did a pretty good job in galvanising the side in what are extremely difficult and unusual circumstances, there's a reason that Derby supporters wanted him to stay.
 
Yes without a fight. Without the points deduction they would have finished 17th and that's with an above average Championship squad. Rooney's got so much fight in him that he jumped at the chance to join the MLS at the first opportunity rather than stay in the bearpit that is English football.

An above average championship squad? They barely had a first XI going into the season!

Rooney did well at Derby, and towards the end there was talk of manager of the year in the league - for a manager that nearly prevented a team being relegated.

Criticise all you want, but talk sense when you do it yeah?
 
Wayne isn't wrong about the lack of character, but he himself showed a fair amount of character deficiency in his last 4-5 seasons at OT.
 
Fully agree. Rooney's no guru. His only management experience in England is taking Derby down without a fight (and yes I know there were mitigating circumstances, but still, they went down without a fight with good players) and then jumped ship to the MLS. But his word is taken as gospel.
This is staggeringly ignorant.
 
:lol:

I thought he was exemplary during the time they were teammates. Always sacrificed himself for the team, while Ronnie was allowed to do his magic. The way he dealt with the aftermath of the Euros was top class too.

It is pretty clear that Ronaldo does not fit a team that is not moulded around him, which is not what ETH does, and his entourage has been shopping him around all summer and he's a moody cnut now. We need him gone.
Ronaldo was always the cnut of the two, what he did at the world cup was disgraceful and prime example of Ronaldo's true face.

And Rooney mostly talks a lot of sense nowadays. I would love it if he one day becomes the manager.
 
An above average championship squad? They barely had a first XI going into the season!

Rooney did well at Derby, and towards the end there was talk of manager of the year in the league - for a manager that nearly prevented a team being relegated.

Criticise all you want, but talk sense when you do it yeah?

Why did he jump ship to a league where it's impossible to get relegated instead of staying and fighting to get Derby back up then?
 
Look up.

A bit further.

Further.

Behind you a bit.

Further.

There’s the point.

Made me :lol:

His body abandoned him near the end after a long career that started younger than most but one thing Rooney never lacked was character, heart and emotion. He embodied a lot about what it meant to be a Manchester United player for me.

Same. Adored Rooney for us and wish this squad had half of his attitude, character and heart.
 
Fully agree. Rooney's no guru. His only management experience in England is taking Derby down without a fight (and yes I know there were mitigating circumstances, but still, they went down without a fight with good players) and then jumped ship to the MLS. But his word is taken as gospel.
Yes without a fight. Without the points deduction they would have finished 17th and that's with an above average Championship squad. Rooney's got so much fight in him that he jumped at the chance to join the MLS at the first opportunity rather than stay in the bearpit that is English football.
It takes some effort to stand out as particularly wrong on this forum but you've done it.
 
Yes without a fight. Without the points deduction they would have finished 17th and that's with an above average Championship squad. Rooney's got so much fight in him that he jumped at the chance to join the MLS at the first opportunity rather than stay in the bearpit that is English football.

Try motivating a team that knows they're going down anyway due to a points deduction.

Also, Derby struggled to get 11 on the pitch at times.

And come on, I wasn't his biggest fan, especially when we held on to him and insisted on playing him well beyond his sell by date, however, Rooney had unbelievable fight as a player (who he's calling out), that cannot honestly be disputed
 
I'd be distressed if he became our manager.
He is at least doing things the right way. I was impressed with the job he did at Derby and he clearly doesn't have airs or graces - he's willing to get experience wherever rather than assuming that he deserves a top job based on name recognition alone (like so many former world class players seem to do).

That being said, he's destined to be Everton manager rather than United manager. If Lamps doesn't turn it around sharpish, maybe very soon.
 
I don't really see what the issue is here and why people would be concerned about it. Wayne obviously wants to manage Utd and there's nothing wrong with that, you can't be successful in life without setting your targets very high.

And you would hope that Utd wouldn't repeat the OGS mistake, managers should have to earn the right to manage Utd as managers of different clubs, not based on their playing careers. Funnily enough, I think Wayne comes across as being sharper at times than the likes of OGS, Lampard, and Gerrard from a tactical perspective and to be fair to him, he did a good job with Derby last season considering the circumstances. But he has to prove himself as a manager and I'm fairly sure he knows that himself.

On a slightly different note, I was wondering recently whether he would have been better off asking EtH could he be a member of his coaching staff rather than going for the Derby job. Too many managers (Gerrard, Lampard etc) are thrown straight in at the deep end whereas you have the likes of Arteta who learned the ropes at City under Pep. EtH could have taught Wayne a lot of things.
 
I don't really see what the issue is here and why people would be concerned about it. Wayne obviously wants to manage Utd and there's nothing wrong with that, you can't be successful in life without setting your targets very high.

And you would hope that Utd wouldn't repeat the OGS mistake, managers should have to earn the right to manage Utd as managers of different clubs, not based on their playing careers. Funnily enough, I think Wayne comes across as being sharper at times than the likes of OGS, Lampard, and Gerrard from a tactical perspective and to be fair to him, he did a good job with Derby last season considering the circumstances. But he has to prove himself as a manager and I'm fairly sure he knows that himself.

On a slightly different note, I was wondering recently whether he would have been better off asking EtH could he be a member of his coaching staff rather than going for the Derby job. Too many managers (Gerrard, Lampard etc) are thrown straight in at the deep end whereas you have the likes of Arteta who learned the ropes at City under Pep. EtH could have taught Wayne a lot of things.

His words here and his journey so far clearly show he knows that
 
People don't like to miss an opportunity to snipe at our legends.
 
Wouldn't mind him as a future manager if he proves himself, going to America instead of managing over here was a weird choice for him ambitions though I think.
 
Wouldn't mind him as a future manager if he proves himself, going to America instead of managing over here was a weird choice for him ambitions though I think.

I don't think so, his reputation will remain in tact over here and there will always be a good opportunity waiting for him, over in America he gets to experiment, make mistakes and learn the craft of coaching away from intense media scrutiny while still at a relatively high 1st team professional standard.

It is exactly the sort of move more high profile players who want to be head coaches should make.
 
I don't think so, his reputation will remain in tact over here and there will always be a good opportunity waiting for him, over in America he gets to experiment, make mistakes and learn the craft of coaching away from intense media scrutiny while still at a relatively high 1st team professional standard.

It is exactly the sort of move more high profile players who want to be head coaches should make.

Fair point actually, never thought of it like that.
 
He is at least doing things the right way. I was impressed with the job he did at Derby and he clearly doesn't have airs or graces - he's willing to get experience wherever rather than assuming that he deserves a top job based on name recognition alone (like so many former world class players seem to do).

That being said, he's destined to be Everton manager rather than United manager. If Lamps doesn't turn it around sharpish, maybe very soon.
He's clearly expecting one of these jobs based on name as he hasn't done anything close to good enough to get him any PL job.
 
He's clearly expecting one of these jobs based on name as he hasn't done anything close to good enough to get him any PL job.

To be fair all top flight footballers, especially ones with his profile, get jobs because of their name. He's already rejected a chance to interview at Everton once before.

Manchester United are different, he knows that if he's to have any chance of managing them he will have to earn the chance from his work at a top flight club at a very good level.