Time to remove the rose-tinted glasses

This is what happens with players that simply are not good enough for anything but a battle for Europa league places.

The squad is an upper mid-table squad capable of bouts of good play interspersed with utter shite.

We need to have sensational recruitment to get back in the top 4 because our squad is crap. Our best starting XI, when Amorim finally settles on it, is capable but nothing more.
 
DevilRed said:
:lol:

Only last season that people were laughing at them for buying all kinds of rubbish.

Its the managers job to get the players playing as a cohesive unit.

Right now thats not happening for us.
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Anyone who laughed at them for "buying rubbish" was an idiot. They bought some of the highest rated young players in the world at a multitude of positions, and post Xmas had the form of a top 4 team. The improvement was evident.

OUR manager is getting us to play as a unit. Every metric says so. That doesn't matter much when random defenders or keepers ship goals, or attackers miss chances.
 
It's not a rose-tinted glasses thing to believe we're seeing some positives under Amorim, and that we might have a good coach on our hands, just as a clear-eyed view tells us this squad will never work for him, and we are - yet again - looking at a major squad overhaul*, and a continuing bumpy ride ahead.

The massive frustration is that we're being consistently bettered (and, sometimes, battered) by teams that who are simply stronger and faster. We have so little athletic prowess, most of it a product of recruiting too many players who are variously too old and slow (Casemiro, Eriksen), too small and too slow (Martinez: he's not a PL defender and neither, of course, is Malacia); or just slow (Antony and Zirkzee, though lack of pace is only one of their failings). Whoever we bring in as replacements, we surely have to learn from getting it wrong so often.

*I'm willing to accept that the absence of any sort of coherent playing strategy has been a huge factor in player churn, with all of LVH, Mourinho and OGS allowed to spend on re-builds that became redundant as soon as they were replaced.
 
Let’s do just that remove the ‘Rose Tinted Glasses’

Many of diehard United fans, of why I and most of CAFE are were warned of INEOS inability to run a successful football team.
The warning signs were there, SJR interference with Nice, putting his brother in charge as CEO, they’ve been a yo yo club in his five years in charge 5th, 9th, 5th, 9th,5th no champions league and very little ambition to win the French League , they’ve had multiple managers. SJR is a hot head, he tries to manage a football club like one of his offshore shale businesses, he only sees results or failure, constant change, constant interfering, constant cutting back financials.

Roll on to his first year in United, yes certain changes needed to happen, but you have to implement them gradually!
You can’t cut 25% of the employees personal, cancel every Xmas party, have no interest in the ladies team, cut all Xmas bonuses for stewards and then sack your DOF after making a huge fuss to get him in the first place, SJR needs to make some bold decisions about himself!

1. Is he really a diehard Red that loves the Club?
2. Why is he penny pinching so much and spinning close to PSSR when. We sold £65m of pure profit from the academy in the summer.
3. Why have a DOF if you are going to ask the TD and CEO to go behind his back?
4. You are currently worth £20billion and your a man in the latter stages of your life so your in a hurry but knee jerk reaction never ever works, and your acting a spoilt brat that expects results immediately because you invested $300m?
5. What do you expect with current results when you have a squad based on 4231 and you just bought out a contract for a manager who specialises in 3421 or 343 .
6. We’ve paid out £30m in sacking a coach and getting a new one with no pre season and no players that really suit his system.
7. Due Dilligence, only one coach has ever won the PL with a 3421 or 352 system?

I’ve removed those spectacles and I see a club in disarray, a management team we were assured was best in class already broken up, a CEO who thinks he knows exactly what he’s doing but City right now are in a worse position than us! I see a great young coach that has 7 points from 6 games and only 4 wins from his first 9 games.

We can’t blame MDL or Rashford for the last two results, so who fo we hang out to dry this time?

I’ll give you the answer SJR is who, he’s cultivating an environment where panic is displayed at the top at first the sign of poor results, he’s shouting down the line, making ruthless decisions where the whole club feel completely inept because the guy at the top keeps telling everybody how shit we are!

It’s only a matter of time before he turns on Berrada, Wilcox or Amorim and the next 2/3 years might be our worst period to be a fan of our great club until he eventually realises he’s damaging the club beyond repair and finally sells up with the Glazers!
 
We have clearly improved from Eth, our structure and play is streets better but we don't have enough good players.
 
Katy Cat said:
It's not a rose-tinted glasses thing to believe we're seeing some positives under Amorim, and that we might have a good coach on our hands, just as a clear-eyed view tells us this squad will never work for him, and we are - yet again - looking at a major squad overhaul*, and a continuing bumpy ride ahead.

The massive frustration is that we're being consistently bettered (and, sometimes, battered) by teams that who are simply stronger and faster. We have so little athletic prowess, most of it a product of recruiting too many players who are variously too old and slow (Casemiro, Eriksen), too small and too slow (Martinez: he's not a PL defender and neither, of course, is Malacia); or just slow (Antony and Zirkzee, though lack of pace is only one of their failings). Whoever we bring in as replacements, we surely have to learn from getting it wrong so often.

*I'm willing to accept that the absence of any sort of coherent playing strategy has been a huge factor in player churn, with all of LVH, Mourinho and OGS allowed to spend on re-builds that became redundant as soon as they were replaced.
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I never said it was. Of course there are positives. But I've also seen loads of negatives rationalized away in post-match threads and the likes, driven by what seems to be more faith and hope in the manager, rather than actual play. But yes, some important aspects of our play have certainly improved. The pressing in the City match, for example, was impressive.

Although I think the ETH sacking was overdue, I do think it is kind of unfair, though, to compare our current play with the ending of his time here, as he was clearly a dead man walking and the players surely understood that too.
 
The only positive appraisal that I question is of the players. I sincerely believe we only have about 6/7 PL quality players, the rest are Championship level at best. Add into the mix that they simply cannot take on board simple instructions and have a propensity to make mistakes game after game means that it's almost pot luck if we win games, not out of merit. In this league, merit will always propel you but luck is unreliable.. and we're finding that out!
 
AndersB said:
a lot of "I see what he's trying to do here", when in reality we have not been performing well.
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That just shows how poor the performances were pre-Amorim.
You can see a clear idea and style of play. We have improved already, we are keeping the ball a bit better, creating more chance etc, but we were starting from absolute zero so even a moderate improvement still won’t see us playing at the level we aspire to. This is another long road we are on.
 
50% of the players will have to go. It’s wild how many of them that are not good enough.

That said, it’s easy to see that we have improved under Amorim. Only problem now is players not able to execute properly.

Whatever happens I will stand by Amorim.
 
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