Kirkham loathes Joe. He cost him millions and the glory of having the biggest reality show of all time. I do think you have to view his thoughts with a healthy degree of scepticism.
Television Tiger King (Netflix Documentary)
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Kirkham loathes Joe. He cost him millions and the glory of having the biggest reality show of all time. I do think you have to view his thoughts with a healthy degree of scepticism.
An interesting watch on the problems with how Tiger King is made
I'm pretty sure Garretson did the whole series for that 15 second montage of him riding a jet ski set to eye of the tiger.
I'm surprised the Murder for hire charge stuck though. The only evidence they had was a $3k payment to Lowe's handyman and both Lowe and his handyman were fecking crooked with a lot to gain from sending Joe to prison. This is why they brought on all the animal cruelty charges concurrently to influence the jury into thinking he is tiger satan.
I don't know what kind of strip mall lawyer Joe hired to not even get out of that.
I don't know what kind of strip mall lawyer Joe hired to not even get out of that.
Everyone around me touted this as the most mental thing they'd ever seen.
Thoroughly dissapointed.
I think the fact that Joe got like 28% of the votes in a gouvernors race is a great highlight of how fecked up politics are over there.
"he ran as a libertarian. Of course Joe has no idea what a libertarian is. He still doesnt."
Thoroughly dissapointed.
I think the fact that Joe got like 28% of the votes in a gouvernors race is a great highlight of how fecked up politics are over there.
"he ran as a libertarian. Of course Joe has no idea what a libertarian is. He still doesnt."
Am I wrong for actually liking Joe? I think all the owners are as bad as each other and they’re all guilty of something, but I thought Joe was taken advantage of. He obviously made it easy for them and he was definitely a manipulator in his own way but he made me laugh a fair amount. I thought most of Joe’s workers came across alrightJust seemed like a bunch of people happy to have just something.
One bit that wasn’t clear was when Travis killed himself. The guy with glasses said that when he aimed the gun at him he said not to worry as the gun wouldn’t even fire. Was that in that instance or another time? Did he actually mean to kill himself? I definitely thought he was troubled and in the scenes leading up to it I could almost see what was coming.
Also the jet ski scene with Garretson was hilarious. Another guy who was simply looking out for himself but I didn’t hate him as much as the others. Also seemed sure that Lowe was the mastermind and Joe was a puppet. All in all, it reminded me of My Name is Earl. A bunch of misfits getting by, by any means necessary.
One bit that wasn’t clear was when Travis killed himself. The guy with glasses said that when he aimed the gun at him he said not to worry as the gun wouldn’t even fire. Was that in that instance or another time? Did he actually mean to kill himself? I definitely thought he was troubled and in the scenes leading up to it I could almost see what was coming.
Also the jet ski scene with Garretson was hilarious. Another guy who was simply looking out for himself but I didn’t hate him as much as the others. Also seemed sure that Lowe was the mastermind and Joe was a puppet. All in all, it reminded me of My Name is Earl. A bunch of misfits getting by, by any means necessary.
Just got through this. Pretty much unbelievable. You'd need a NASA supercomputer to keep score of who's the biggest shithouse at any given moment.
For purely detestability you can't beat Carole, though. She's Dolores Umbridge come to life.
For purely detestability you can't beat Carole, though. She's Dolores Umbridge come to life.
Not overall vote. He got 19% of votes to be the candidate of his party, the documentary left that out.
No, he didn't mean to kill himself. It's a common misconception that a Ruger can't be fired without a clip. Travis was just high enough and stupid enough to put it go the test.
He got 18% of his parties initial vote to choose party leader. A vote which only had 3.5k votes. The leader of that party then got 3% in the actual general election.
Aye, really enjoyed the first couple, thought it was going to be epic, especially considering the hype. A month later and I’ve only just finished episode 5.
After those first couple of episodes it’s pretty dull.
Ah, ok never mind then. I was a bit baffled by it honestly
I’m not sure how anyone can watch this through and come to any other conclusion than Joe is a massive cnut. Don’t care if he’s more ‘eccentric’ than Carol. The man is a master manipulator and a selfish twat with absolutely no likeable features.
Everyone in that show except the dude with the fake legs and the chick with 1 arm is a massive cnut.
So you're saying less limbs make better people? You might be onto something!
Yeah finding Joe likable is weird. He drugged and confined a straight adult man to his zoo, married him and drove him to suicide. He clearly set the office and the alligator enclosure on fire to destroy the documentary tapes belonging to Kirkham. This is before we get into the stuff that got him arrested.
It didn't actually get interesting for me until episode 3 and later when Jeff Lowe showed up.
I thought he was funny at times. Definitely a cnut but in a group of cnuts, the most entertaining. I actually had to keep reminding myself that it wasn’t a mockumentary. An absolutely bat shit crazy group of people.Wasnt it an accident? Not that it makes it somehow excusable mind.
It was blatantly not an accident
Joshua Dial said that it was an accident and not a suicide.
I’m still puzzled about this as well. He apparently went round pointing the gun a people quite often and if he thought it wouldn’t fire surely he’d have pulled the trigger on someone else at some point. Either way it’s so sad. Watching the show, there’s so much crazy stuff going on I think you forget most of it, or at least I did. Being reminded of all the stuff Joe did now and it’s pretty crazy. I literally forgot about the fire. Would have been interesting to see what was on the videos. Makes you wonder how much of his personality on camera was actually him.
No, Dial said he did not intervene because Travis always joked around with a gun in everyone's face. He did not know the gun was loaded.
He said in the follow-up interview show that it definitely wasn’t intentional.
He's said in interviews afterwards that it was definitely not suicide and it was an accident. It might even be in the 'reunion' episode. The directors deliberately left it open to sensationalise it, as they did with many aspects of the show. Carol killing her husbands is far less convincing if you read her responses to the allegations in the show, for example.
On Joe and his relationships:
There's an AMA earlier in the thread that I posted from a former park employee and he said that aspect of the show was the one that he found most inaccurate, he said that John and Travis used Joe for drugs and money just as much as Joe used them. He also said that Joe was the sub in the relationships. Rick Graham also stated that Joe often cried to him (literally) because Travis didn't even have sex with him. He also stated that John shot Joe when they broke up and that he had that on camera. Not saying Joe isn't a creep, just that the show drove particular narratives for maximum sensationalism. That's probably the single great achievement of the directors here, just how well they crafted the show.
It's interesting to hear Doc Antle's response to the show too, obviously you have to treat what he says with a lot of scepticism too.
There's an AMA earlier in the thread that I posted from a former park employee and he said that aspect of the show was the one that he found most inaccurate, he said that John and Travis used Joe for drugs and money just as much as Joe used them. He also said that Joe was the sub in the relationships. Rick Graham also stated that Joe often cried to him (literally) because Travis didn't even have sex with him. He also stated that John shot Joe when they broke up and that he had that on camera. Not saying Joe isn't a creep, just that the show drove particular narratives for maximum sensationalism. That's probably the single great achievement of the directors here, just how well they crafted the show.
It's interesting to hear Doc Antle's response to the show too, obviously you have to treat what he says with a lot of scepticism too.
Antle actually answers all of the questions quite well to be fair to him.
If it's true that they were actually only dressed up looking crazy on halloween then that was properly deceptive from the Doc makers.
From the guys who flew Katie Hopkins to Prague for a fake award and to call her a cnut
Clever but not really sure what the point of it was. Since it was pre-recorded questions it's not as if they could get anything interesting out of her.
I agree. One Netflix documentary that is definitely worth checking out is The Pharmacist. Absolutely compelling.spot on.
i generally feel this way about most of these modern netflix type docu-series.
the problem for me is most of these series' have a solid 90 min documentary at the heart of them but they get stretched out to 10x hour long episodes, they just repeat themselves over and over and then start shoe-horning irrelevant shit in there too. tbf to this one it was probably worthy of 3-4 episodes with the amount of batshit stuff in there, it's a real shame the reality show footage was destroyed, i reckon the drug taking at least would've been turned up to 11
that funeral was the best part of the whole show
that and the wedding with the guy wearing his baseball cap with his tux
Anyone (re)watch the Louis Theroux documentary with Joe on? Was interesting - he seemed a lot softer back then and not as nuts (but still nuts). Also found out he was a cop?! I don’t remember that from tiger king
Yes I've seen it, was interesting. I would recommend to those who haven't seen it yet.
He definitely seemed nuts but if you haven't seen Tiger King first you probably wouldn't think much of it.
That documentary was just at the point that Carol shut down his mall shows. He was making good money up to that point. Safe to say it went rapidly downhill from there.
The plot thickens...
I guess that bitch down in Florida can't get enough!
Didn’t the zoo move to Oklahoma anyway?
She’s a cnut.
Ffs