Thoughts on Tuchel as a potential United manager?

Would you appoint Thomas Tuchel as the next Manchester United manager?

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croadyman said:
Like me and others keep saying he would be here to oversee transitional period. He will be aware he's not ever going to be a long term appointment
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But from his pov he could wait it out for a year and a better offer may arrive from a club that's far closer to success than us.

And, personally, I've never seen Tuchel as a manager that would happily work for a club in a transitional phase. I don't think he'd have the temperment for it.
 
croadyman said:
Ever thought he falls out because they have the wrong higher ups making those decisions in first place
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Making what decisions?
Hasn’t he fell out with At every club he’s been at? Dortmund, psg, Chelsea and Bayern?
 
Frank Grimes said:
Ancelloti.was sacked off by Chelsea too. Managers get sacked.
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Ancelotti is an all time great and he's very rarely been sacked, he's also not currently linked with us like Tuchel and Potter who I was referring to when I said that. Tuchel has been sacked from his last 4 jobs.
 
luke511 said:
Ancelotti is an all time great and he's very rarely been sacked, he's also not currently linked with us like Tuchel and Potter who I was referring to when I said that. Tuchel has been sacked from his last 4 jobs.
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Yes he has been but they have all been big clubs which tells me he can handle that,you can't say that with some of the other names touted for the job
 
Zlatan 7 said:
So you don’t want to answer? Has he not fell out with the board at these clubs? You don’t think that will be in ineos thoughts?
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I have already said I feel that was down to the people above him so don't you consider that answering it
 
Gotta remember that Pep went pretty much asap from Munich without losing face, Ancelotti got kicked asap, Nagelsmann got kicked asap, Flick (don't rate him but still) fled asap, Tuchel got kicked after one year...and Kovac got appointed and funnily enough was basically the only manager that got protected by the higher ups to ridiculous levels. Oh, Heynckes got shown the door too after winning the treble.

After having a great run from LvG to Heynckes to Pep it's mostly the financial power and inaptness of the competitors with namely Dortmund and Leipzig running business models to prop up, hype and sell their best players why they got that many league titles in succession. Their cup runs, national and international, are noteworthy mediocre for a long time already, this year being the exemption - their Corona-CL title run covered up a lot of cracks. If you think about it it's quite funny: while Hoeness was imprisoned the club had arguably the best phase in its existence and when he came back (crazy in its own right) he thought: this needs some serious re-shaping. Unbelievable really.

Tuchel is a frank and honest person. He tells you straight to your face what he thinks about a-z, if a club has no professional structure to deal with that he won't last long. He wanted to break up the Kimmich/Goretzka CM from the get go, wasn't allowed by the higher ups because those that hired him got sacked straight away (a day before the season final with BAyern still competing for the league title, news broken to the public shortly before the game began - tells you all that you got to know about how the club is run) and now look where they finally play on club level and on national team level.
 
Let's talk about big club, they offer players attractive salary for the best players. The big clubs that I am talking about has no concern of $$$ mainly City, Chelsea and Real, they buy and sell players regardless of cost of the contracts. City and Real has been shipping out average players out of the squad, just look at how many players has City bought and shipped out without any concern of cost and that goes for Real. I think Bayern is almost like United, they are star players who are on high wages which are hard to move who are putting in half-assed effort and thinking Bayern would be their last contract. When we have such situation, it is impossible for a manager to drive the behavior change. The reason why Tuchel and ETH are successful in the past in they started with a small club, players are playing to move to a bigger club so it is easier for them to implement tactics and change behaviors of players. That's why Klopp and Tuchel is successful in Dortmund. Tuchel and ETH can only strive with smaller club, they might have the right profile to be the manager at United but ultimately pay due to setup. I think Tuchel is the right fit but United needs to massive overhaul to get back to the top. We need to get rid of underperforming players who are on high wages namely Rashford, Casemiro, Varane, Sancho and etc. Start promoting young players then managers would have opportunity to drive changes. This is change management and it would take 3-5 years and we need to see it through.
 
If we can assume that Tuchel has learned lessons from life in the PL, then of course he would be an upgrade from ten Hag. But there are no guarantees with recycled managers. Jose 2.0 was a disaster, despite what he claims was his greatest achievement with United.
 
lex talionis said:
If we can assume that Tuchel has learned lessons from life in the PL, then of course he would be an upgrade from ten Hag. But there are no guarantees with recycled managers. Jose 2.0 was a disaster, despite what he claims was his greatest achievement with United.
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I disagree Mourinho was a disaster. Our fans didn't like him and the board didn't back him when he wanted rid of Martial and Pogba.

Despite this. He won 2 trophies in his first season.

2nd season he got us out of CL group and finished 2nd. Also reached an FA Cup Final.

Even in his 3rd season he got is out of a very hard CL group and was sacked before our easiest run of the season.
The damage had been done in the summer though when he wasn't allowed to sell or get the players he wanted and his position became untenable. A change was probably best then.
 
Just saw the highlights of the semi-final. A mistake from the goalkeeper (who, to be fair, was great all game by the looks of things). Seemed a bit unlucky.

Managers get so much stick for substitutions in tight games. No mistake from the goalkeeper and he probably gets plaudits for a defensive masterclass or something.
 
Read some people who cheered for Bayern were pissed off with his subs tonight. Did not watch the game only saw the highlights and that mistake from Neuer probably cost them?

Tuchel is 50 with great experience as manager and great experience in different leagues with big sides. Surely has flaws but with Bayern most probably letting him go and him possibly having some unfinished business in Premier League, we may decide to go with him. Will be interesting month. Bayern's season finishes on 18th and ours on 25th May so maybe after those dates it could happen, if it is to happen.
 
Irwin99 said:
Just saw the highlights of the semi-final. A mistake from the goalkeeper (who, to be fair, was great all game by the looks of things). Seemed a bit unlucky.

Managers get so much stick for substitutions in tight games. No mistake from the goalkeeper and he probably gets plaudits for a defensive masterclass or something.
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They certainly do
 
Does he see himself as a step stone though ?
I have my doubts. I think he's a guy who wants to join clubs that can offer him the chance to be a success from the off.
 
croadyman said:
That's still not enough for many in here
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I get it, they want the perfect candidate

The game is past that. We have so much shit to unlearn and learn. If we can become a defensively mean, offensively competent team under Tuchel, that's 1-2 seasons well spent. The next manager can build on that.
 
FrankDrebin said:
Does he see himself as a step stone though ?
I have my doubts. I think he's a guy who wants to join clubs that can offer him the chance to be a success from the off.
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If he wants to come back to the PL, who's better than us that would take him?

City, Arsenal, Liverpool, Spurs, Villa have their guys. Chelsea probably would not go back for him.

Elsewhere, Madrid are set, so are Barcelona. Inter are good. Enrique extended at PSG. Our biggest rival is probably Milan, but I think we edge them
 
adexkola said:
I get it, they want the perfect candidate

The game is past that. We have so much shit to unlearn and learn. If we can become a defensively mean, offensively competent team under Tuchel, that's 1-2 seasons well spent. The next manager can build on that.
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Agreed on the point about having a manager even being a stepping stone will be a positive move. We need to give the new minority owners time to bed in, settle their structure, and turn the club (finally) into a well-run machine.
 
JezChan said:
Agreed on the point about having a manager even being a stepping stone will be a positive move. We need to give the new minority owners time to bed in, settle their structure, and turn the club (finally) into a well-run machine.
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I'm happy you're alive and well after all these years :D
 
Alternative choices are De Zerbi, Potter Areola or McKenna.
When you place him against them only Areola stands out as a decent candidate at this time.
Potter was a disaster at Chelsea and Mckenna despite his excellent work at Ipswich hasn't managed a game on top flight football.

De Zerbi has done himself no favours with the way he's handled himself this season and his star has fallen.

I don't even consider Southgate. That's the nightmare scenario.
 
Frank Grimes said:
Alternative choices are De Zerbi, Potter Areola or McKenna.
When you place him against them only Areola stands out as a decent candidate at this time.
Potter was a disaster at Chelsea and Mckenna despite his excellent work at Ipswich hasn't managed a game on top flight football.

De Zerbi has done himself no favours with the way he's handled himself this season and his star has fallen.

I don't even consider Southgate. That's the nightmare scenario.
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Yeah exactly and Areola has to back it up next season and prove he's not a flash in the pan either
 
croadyman said:
Yeah exactly and Areola has to back it up next season and prove he's not a flash in the pan either
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If we took the plunge now I wouldn't be totally against it. Bournemouth had 3 or 4 points from first ten games. After he got his message through their form has been really good for a club of their size. Tuchel seems the more obvious choice though with good reason.
 
adexkola said:
I get it, they want the perfect candidate

The game is past that. We have so much shit to unlearn and learn. If we can become a defensively mean, offensively competent team under Tuchel, that's 1-2 seasons well spent. The next manager can build on that.
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Yeah once he has given us a stronger defensive base our next manager can then fit into the INEOS ideal of being able to play possession based expansive and eye catching football.

We might even be more attractive to Zidane once Tuchel has stabilised the team,however agree with people who say he only works when the squad is in place and ready to challenge. Therefore maybe someone like an Alonso/Nagelsmann would be a better fit then
 
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Hard to be too critical seeing how close Bayern were tonight, the general game plan was sound enough, even if Real Madrid got to some very hefty chances even in the first half while Bayern struggled to create. But it’s Bernabeu.

What I thought he still fecked up today was the timing of changes. Sane was on way too long, and it was just luck that they weren’t punished by Vinicius isolating And walking past Kimmich countless times. The goal had certainly nothing to do with Sane being on the pitch.

Then he puts all his eggs in one basket subbing of Kane, which in itself is dubious given he was their one chance to hold up the ball.

Then, having done that, he is way too slow to react when Petrovic is down. Three minutes left with a goal to defend, it’s worth letting Real Madrid have three full attacks 11 to 10, and missing out the chance to break up play and draw out time on a substitution, just to keep on a kid who is finished either way and ends up being at fault for their second goal as well?

The equalizer came as a result of chaos at the back of Bayern, and stress that even affected Neuer. The Petrovic injury was a potentially match winning gift, that Tuchel turned into two own goals.
 
Frank Grimes said:
Alternative choices are De Zerbi, Potter Areola or McKenna.
When you place him against them only Areola stands out as a decent candidate at this time.
Potter was a disaster at Chelsea and Mckenna despite his excellent work at Ipswich hasn't managed a game on top flight football.

De Zerbi has done himself no favours with the way he's handled himself this season and his star has fallen.

I don't even consider Southgate. That's the nightmare scenario.
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croadyman said:
Yeah exactly and Areola has to back it up next season and prove he's not a flash in the pan either
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Is someone going to say or? OK, it's Iraola.

The other guy is the WHU goalie.
 
Frank Grimes said:
If we took the plunge now I wouldn't be totally against it. Bournemouth had 3 or 4 points from first ten games. After he got his message through their form has been really good for a club of their size. Tuchel seems the more obvious choice though with good reason.
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Yeah there is no doubt he has done well and should definitely be on the shortlist,however just feel this job is a bit too big in the current situation. This is no slight on him personally because would say it about the likes of Amorim too.
 
I think two questions need to be answered - is he any worse than what we currently have? and would he be a better option than Southgate?. For me- 1, No and 2 Yes. Other folk may have a different opinion. I just do not want Southgate here.
 
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