Dominos
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It better fecking had be!What type of numbers are being thrown around? I'm sure he'd jump at the chance to work with LVG and if it's less than 12m he'd be a good addition to the squad.
It better fecking had be!What type of numbers are being thrown around? I'm sure he'd jump at the chance to work with LVG and if it's less than 12m he'd be a good addition to the squad.
Wasn't even good enough for Arsenal's defence last season, we definitely should be aiming higher.
It better fecking had be!
Daily mail reporting he is available on a free.
Except Koscielny is twice the defender he is.
Wouldn't say no to him for less than £10m. Top player not so long ago, could be that again in the right environment. Probably got sick of Koscielny's screw ups and gave up.
He looked great a couple of seasons ago. A good defender - if he isn't injured. That'd be my concern.
If he can stay fit he'd be a decent signing. Plenty of experience and an older head at the back in light of Vidic and Ferdinand leaving.
If we sign one we definitely don't have to sell one. We've just lost two, three isn't enough.He is a decent CB cover actually. But only a cover. Then again Smalling, Evans and Jones, i mean if we don't believe in them, we need to sell at least one. There is no need to have so many CBs fighting for the starting line-up.
I for one is not sure what to do in our CB situation.
Depends on who we sign really. There is also M Keane, i don't think he is ready, but he is here and we also need to decide what to do with him. The balance is important. The team needs three (provided they play with back four) strong defenders. The fourth one is a reserve. MU "inflated" game time for Jones, Smalling by using them as a RB cover, but that has to end really. I don't think that having any of the named trio as this cover will do really. Vermaelen one the other hand could do that.If we sign one we definitely don't have to sell one. We've just lost two, three isn't enough.
I wasn't counting Keane, because the sensible thing to do with him is give him a loan in the Premier League, maybe to Leicester where he had a good spell before. The three we have isn't enough, and the young ones we have (Keane, Thorpe, whoever else), aren't ready to step up. It would be reckless to start the season without adding at least one. Evans, Smalling and Jones simply aren't enough to go into the new season with. I'll genuinely worry about us this season if we don't add at least one centre back.Depends on who we sign really. There is also M Keane, i don't think he is ready, but he is here and we also need to decide what to do with him. The balance is important. The team needs three (provided they play with back four) strong defenders. The fourth one is a reserve. MU "inflated" game time for Jones, Smalling by using them as a RB cover, but that has to end really. I don't think that having any of the named trio as this cover will do really. Vermaelen one the other hand could do that.
You need to read my message one more time really. I think i covered all that.I wasn't counting Keane, because the sensible thing to do with him is give him a loan in the Premier League, maybe to Leicester where he had a good spell before. The three we have isn't enough, and the young ones we have (Keane, Thorpe, whoever else), aren't ready to step up. It would be reckless to start the season without adding at least one. Evans, Smalling and Jones simply aren't enough to go into the new season with. I'll genuinely worry about us this season if we don't add at least one centre back.
They were fortunate in that the ones they have didn't get injured much. We don't have that luxury. Every single one of our five centre backs had a long term injury last season, and some of the three we currently have were out at the same time. It's been an issue keeping our centre backs fit for years. Going into a new season with just those three would be absolute madness.You need to read my message one more time really. I think i covered all that.
You can see how Chelsea played this season. A team with a best defensive record. They had only three CBs (Luiz, Cahil, Terry). Ivanovic can play at CB, but he only played there 2 games (via whoscored) and Kalas had two games. As i've said balance. Fourth one is a deep cover option.
I give up, really. You just seem to miss argument completely. I've never said we don't need to buy a new CB. In fact i've said quite the opposite and that's why i was posting it in this exact thread actually.They were fortunate in that the ones they have didn't get injured much. We don't have that luxury. Every single one of our five centre backs had a long term injury last season, and some of the three we currently have were out at the same time. It's been an issue keeping our centre backs fit for years. Going into a new season with just those three would be absolute madness.
I didn't say you did say that. Why are you menstruating?I give up, really. You just seem to miss argument completely. I've never said we don't need to buy a new CB. In fact i've said quite the opposite and that's why i was posting it in this exact thread actually.
You just don't seem to get that 4 top CBs will never be a part of a really solid defensive unit. Chelsea was best because they had consistency. WE don;t need four first team CBs that wold not be good for a team, we need two strong CBs, that would be our main defenders, we need a third one, that would pretty much on par, maybe a bit worse. He will provide cover, rotation etc. And then we need forth choice that would be a cover. A solid cover. But that all he would be. As i've said i don't believe Jones, Smalling, Evans are suitable cover options.
This. I don't get this. Why would you specify a player should be a bit worse? And you've then said the 4th one should be worse again. Why can they not be as good? This must be a FM build a squad by numbers things, where your back-up players are of a slightly lesser numerical value than the ones you start, and you play the 5* ones and buy 4* back-ups.we need a third one, that would pretty much on par, maybe a bit worse
Cause yo keep writing stuff like "Going into a new season with just those three" and "The three we have isn't enough" which are extremely stupid arguments cause they are void and they are implying that i've said we don't need to add more CBs.I didn't say you did say that. Why are you menstruating?
Because no team will be strong enough if they have to many players of similar level. Especially in the heart of defense. You need a consistent pairing, not a merry-go-round between 4-5 players to keep them all happy.This. I don't get this. Why would you specify a player should be a bit worse? And you've then said the 4th one should be worse again. Why can they not be as good? This must be a FM build a squad by numbers things, where your back-up players are of a slightly lesser numerical value than the ones you start, and you play the 5* ones and buy 4* back-ups.
But you don't arbitrarily decide to buy lesser players. If a player is available who is as good as what you have, and the deal suits, you don't reject the opportunuty to sign him and go look for someone worse, purely because he's as good as the players you have and therefore can't be a part of a squad.Cause yo keep writing stuff like "Going into a new season with just those three" and "The three we have isn't enough" which are extremely stupid arguments cause they are void and they are implying that i've said we don't need to add more CBs.
Because no team will be strong enough if they have to many players of similar level. Especially in the heart of defense. You need a consistent pairing, not a merry-go-round between 4-5 players to keep them all happy.
When United team had best defensive record in the league like around 2008, that the way we were built, not a 4 equally good CBs, but a great pairing in Vidic-Rio and covers.
When United team had best defensive record in the league like around 2008, that the way we were built, not a 4 equally good CBs, but a great pairing in Vidic-Rio and covers.
Then we need to by a good defenders on their peak and ship Evans, Jones, Smalling or some of them off. You nee to have 4 CBs in full, but you also need to have a prime pairing, a main one and cover. Not a 4 players on the same level.1) Rio-Vidic were at their peak then. Same can't be said about any of our current 3 CBs 2) We had cover in Brown and O'shea whom SAF trusted greatly to do job if needed. Plus we had young Evans and Pique around. If we are playing on all fronts including Europe, we should be having 4 CBs. I will like to keep these 3 AND add one more good CB with future in mind. Why? Because Jones is also a RB cover and can be deployed in midfield for some tactical games. Also, not totally convinced about Smalling at the moment to trust him as first choice.
Otherwise if you have to carry only 3 CBs you need players like Martinez and Mascherano who can be put there but then for that your playing style needs to be such that they don't get called into game that often as opposition doesn't see much of the ball.
No point in deliberating buying some 'only decent' defender just so that there is cover. Might as well give a youngster from academy chance in that case.
Then we need to by a good defenders on their peak and ship Evans, Jones, Smalling or some of them off. You nee to have 4 CBs in full, but you also need to have a prime pairing, a main one and cover. Not a 4 players on the same level.
No, you do. Exactly for cover. If you have 4 CBs all fighting for their place and getting similar game time, that would mean you won't have a solid consistent backbone and that will hurt the team.But you don't arbitrarily decide to buy lesser players. If a player is available who is as good as what you have, and the deal suits, you don't reject the opportunuty to sign him and go look for someone worse, purely because he's as good as the players you have and therefore can't be a part of a squad.
We have Evans, Smalling and Jones. Evans is our best centre back. The other two are at a similar level. If you need another one (and we agree we do) you don't deliberately turn down one equally as good as the others to sign a lesser one. You sign the better one if you can, pick one of the three to partner your best one (Evans) and allow your back-ups to try and fight for their place. That's what having a squad is all about, having good players capable of fitting in when needed, of first team quality, so that when one of your regular players is missing there is no noticeable drop off in quality. And the competiton of having your players know there is an equally good player waiting to take his place stops him from getting complacent. Competition for places lends to better performance. You don't deliberately sign lesser players if better ones are available to you.
So if you have a 9/10 and two 8/10, you can't sign a third 8/10 as your fourth centre back. Ideally you should have two 9's, an 8 and maybe a 7.Then we need to by a good defenders on their peak and ship Evans, Jones, Smalling or some of them off. You nee to have 4 CBs in full, but you also need to have a prime pairing, a main one and cover. Not a 4 players on the same level.
Evans is 26, Smalling is 25 this year. So they are either good enough for us, or not. I don't think any of them and Jones will be happy with a part time role. Fergie and Moyes tried to combat that with giving them games at RB, but i don't think that a good strategy. Maybe Jones can develop in RB, but i doubt that.That we can handle later, right? As of now, none of these 3 are at peak. So get someone good and relatively young at around 25 (I am not interested in Vermaelen at this stage), see who of the 4 is best pair and use others at backup. If in 1-2 years, one of those feel they are not getting enough minutes and should like to continue elsewhere, we sell.
You really really don't. If you have 3, 1 better and the other 2 similar, you don't go looking for 1 a bit worse, rejecting better players. You sign the best players available, and then work them into your squad. And if you want a settled pairing you play your best 2, or your best 1 and the 1 from the other 3 that impresses you most in training. It's then up to these 2 to perform and keep their place, and the other 2 to impress you enough in training or when they get games, to displace 1 of the other 2.No, you do. Exactly for cover. If you have 4 CBs all fighting for their place and getting similar game time, that would mean you won't have a solid consistent backbone and that will hurt the team.
As i've said Smalling, Evans are not youngsters, Jones is also quite experienced. So United either put faith in them or we need to see how can we offload them. It's no use to have strong 4 CBs when you are not clear on the main pairing.