Thomas Tuchel | Gone to & from Bayern (In Summer)

He's a good manager but not as good as most of you claimed he was after the CL victory with Chelsea and a few wins in succession against Pep. He's also not as bad as most of you make it out right now, 3 years later.

Typical fickleness of football fans. Tuchel's reputation on here changed from "Pep and Klopp's rival" to "absolute fraud" in a very short amount of time, even though the Chelsea sacking wasn't fair and Bayern aren't doing as bad as you think, it's just Leverkusen doing an almost flawless league campaign with one of the best upcoming managers in charge.

He wouldn't be my first choice for United, but he wouldn't be the worst choice either. Far from it.
 
It's hard to substantiate as no decent public sources apart from Twitter randoms and the odd shady article.

Definitely smoke with fire though I think.

He lost the dressing room due to his personal life and the rumours are it involved Werner's missus.

My guess is eventually the full story will come out.

Is this similar to Zaha sleeping with Moyes' daughter or is there actually truth to this?
 
He's a good manager but not as good as most of you claimed he was after the CL victory with Chelsea and a few wins in succession against Pep. He's also not as bad as most of you make it out right now, 3 years later.

Typical fickleness of football fans. Tuchel's reputation on here changed from "Pep and Klopp's rival" to "absolute fraud" in a very short amount of time, even though the Chelsea sacking wasn't fair and Bayern aren't doing as bad as you think, it's just Leverkusen doing an almost flawless league campaign with one of the best upcoming managers in charge.

He wouldn't be my first choice for United, but he wouldn't be the worst choice either. Far from it.

Yea same here.
 
He's a good manager but not as good as most of you claimed he was after the CL victory with Chelsea and a few wins in succession against Pep. He's also not as bad as most of you make it out right now, 3 years later.

Typical fickleness of football fans. Tuchel's reputation on here changed from "Pep and Klopp's rival" to "absolute fraud" in a very short amount of time, even though the Chelsea sacking wasn't fair and Bayern aren't doing as bad as you think, it's just Leverkusen doing an almost flawless league campaign with one of the best upcoming managers in charge.

He wouldn't be my first choice for United, but he wouldn't be the worst choice either. Far from it.
IMO most of the (valid) concerns being brought up are more around personality and his propensity to fall out with everyone he works with, rather than coaching ability.
 
It's hard to substantiate as no decent public sources apart from Twitter randoms and the odd shady article.

Definitely smoke with fire though I think.

He lost the dressing room due to his personal life and the rumours are it involved Werner's missus.

My guess is eventually the full story will come out.

Hmmm... Interesting. Cheers!
 
IMO most of the (valid) concerns being brought up are more around personality and his propensity to fall out with everyone he works with, rather than coaching ability.

That's completely fair and makes him a risky appointment for anyone.

I personally wouldn't blame him for how his PSG and Chelsea tenures ended, though. Clowns in charge that don't know much about running a football club. Falling out with the likes of El-Khelaifi and Boehly are probably plus points on his CV for me. :lol:
 
It's hard to substantiate as no decent public sources apart from Twitter randoms and the odd shady article.

Definitely smoke with fire though I think.

He lost the dressing room due to his personal life and the rumours are it involved Werner's missus.

My guess is eventually the full story will come out.

All of this is absolute nonsense mate. He got divorced, end of story.
 
He's a good manager but not as good as most of you claimed he was after the CL victory with Chelsea and a few wins in succession against Pep. He's also not as bad as most of you make it out right now, 3 years later.

Typical fickleness of football fans. Tuchel's reputation on here changed from "Pep and Klopp's rival" to "absolute fraud" in a very short amount of time, even though the Chelsea sacking wasn't fair and Bayern aren't doing as bad as you think, it's just Leverkusen doing an almost flawless league campaign with one of the best upcoming managers in charge.

He wouldn't be my first choice for United, but he wouldn't be the worst choice either. Far from it.

You can be excused for thinking that after winning the champions league with Chelsea, with the team they had might make a manager pretty decent.

he’s definatly been found out though. I really wouldn’t want him here, we’re trying to lose the toxic culture
 
Such a bad decision by Bayern to announce that he is sacked ... in the summer! Either sack him right now and get someone else for a few months, or just wait till the summer and announce his departure then. What do they gain from announcing this now? It is ineptitude! INEOS proved to be much smarter, they don't say anything about ETH.

(Obviously, the situation with Klopp is completely different. Or SAF back in the day. )
 
Typical fickleness of football fans. Tuchel's reputation on here changed from "Pep and Klopp's rival" to "absolute fraud" in a very short amount of time, even though the Chelsea sacking wasn't fair and Bayern aren't doing as bad as you think, it's just Leverkusen doing an almost flawless league campaign with one of the best upcoming managers in charge.

Bayern are shocking and their point tally flatters them massively given their performances.
 
Tuchel's problem is simply that his entire career is a lie.

In his previous clubs, he appeared to be a good tactician, but he had two important factors on his side that made him look way better than he actually is:

Field generals on the pitch: At Dortmund, he had Hummels and Gündogan. In PSG, he was lucky to have Verratti, Neymar and Thiago Silva. Same with Chelsea, where he benefitted from Silva (again), Azpilicueta, Jorginho AND Kanté. Some of them were amazing passers/creators and some were great defensively, but they all shared an extremely high level of football IQ and leadership qualities. They could coach their teammates without requiring Tuchel to micromanage them or come up with highly sophisticated tactics. At Bayern, Müller and de Ligt are the closest thing to field generals, but the former is too old and slow while not being "silky" enough as far as Tuchel is concerned, while de Ligt is also "too slow" and pretty injury prone.

Benjamin Weber: Believe it or not, this guy was the real brains behind Tuchel, even more so than his field generals. Just think about Tuchel's apparent greatest strengths: he was very flexible and reacted pretty quickly to what was happening on the pitch; moreover, his game plans/preparations in big games were usually extremely successful. Statisticians and video analysts have something to do with them, don't they? Fittingly enough, Benjamin Weber was his video analyst starting from his Mainz career all the way until he got sacked by Chelsea.

He coasted on these guys' talent and hard work throughout his entire career, shamelessly stealing credit from them like Gilderoy Lockhart from Harry Potter. And since he's a charismatic extrovert with a silver tongue, he knew how to compile their ideas into cool soundbytes to parrot the content to sound like a dashing genius instead of the utter fraud he is. That's why he still enjoys the reputation of being a highly intelligent and competent coach in footballing circles.

Being a man of limited ability and intelligence, he doesn't like it when he's called out on his BS either. Back in Dortmund, he ran the highly data-driven scout Sven Mislintat out of town because he found his scouting methods too technocratic. Mislintat made heavy use of stats and data when scouting players while Tuchel was in favor of divining their attitude from their video footages. Guess whose methods are better? Mislintat's work at Stuttgart, a club infamous for being a hopeless case, is finally getting results, with talented players bought for reasonable prices being coached by a talented manager. On the other hand, Tuchel almost always wants one-dimensional physical beasts, pace/flair merchants or mediocre old players just because they're "experienced".

At Bayern, he has Müller and de Ligt, but he prefers physically more gifted players than them, and doesn't appreciate their intelligence and opinionated personalities. That's why he always loses the respect of his players soon, because he's highly dependent on field generals to succeed, but it's only a matter of time before he's called out on his incompetence and stupidity by them.

Not only that, but he's also morally bankrupt. Back in Dortmund, he actually did want to play the Monaco tie right after the bus attack, but he then turned out and claimed he didn't but Watzke forced his hand to play the tie to save his own ass and paint Watzke as a monster at the same time. He even said "Am I supposed to beat Bayern with these wimps?" all the while being the biggest wimp of all by throwing others under the bus for his own misdeeds. Sure, Pit Gottschalk isn't known as a pillar of accurate reporting, but why would someone risk going to court and have his reputation utterly ruined by lying?

Not to mention he believes in ayurveda. Far be it from me to judge the personal spiritual beliefs of others, but ayurveda isn't just spirituality, it's a medical doctrine. It's nothing short of screwed up that someone responsible for the health, safety and performance of give-or-take 20 players actually believes in unscientific quack medicine that he probably doesn't bat an eye on having used on his players. If there's any sense left in society, such a person forfeits the right to practice his job and has his coaching license torn apart.

He embodies the currently popular fake-it-till-you-make-it culture, just like Elizabeth Holmes and Sam Bankman-Fried.
 
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Tuchel's problem is simply that his entire career is a lie.

In his previous clubs, he appeared to be a good tactician, but he had two important factors on his side that made him look way better than he actually is:

Field generals on the pitch: At Dortmund, he had Hummels and Gündogan. In PSG, he was lucky to have Verratti, Neymar and Thiago Silva. Same with Chelsea, where he benefitted from Silva (again), Azpilicueta, Jorginho AND Kanté. Some of them were amazing passers/creators and some were great defensively, but they all shared an extremely high level of football IQ and leadership qualities. They could coach their teammates without requiring Tuchel to micromanage them or come up with highly sophisticated tactics. At Bayern, Müller and de Ligt are the closest thing to field generals, but the former is too old and slow while not being "silky" enough as far as Tuchel is concerned, while de Ligt is also "too slow" and pretty injury prone.

Benjamin Weber: Believe it or not, this guy was the real brains behind Tuchel, even more so than his field generals. Just think about Tuchel's apparent greatest strengths: he was very flexible and reacted pretty quickly to what was happening on the pitch; moreover, his game plans/preparations in big games were usually extremely successful. Statisticians and video analysts have something to do with them, don't they? Fittingly enough, Benjamin Weber was his video analyst starting from his Mainz career all the way until he got sacked by Chelsea.

He coasted on these guys' talent and hard work throughout his entire career, shamelessly stealing credit from them like Gilderoy Lockhart from Harry Potter. And since he's a charismatic extrovert with a silver tongue, he knew how to compile their ideas into cool soundbytes to parrot the content to sound like a dashing genius instead of the utter fraud he is. That's why he still enjoys the reputation of being a highly intelligent and competent coach in footballing circles.

Being a man of limited ability and intelligence, he doesn't like it when he's called out on his BS either. Back in Dortmund, he ran the highly data-driven scout Sven Mislintat out of town because he found his scouting methods too technocratic. Mislintat made heavy use of stats and data when scouting players while Tuchel was in favor of divining their attitude from their video footages. Guess whose methods are better? Mislintat's work at Stuttgart, a club infamous for being a hopeless case, is finally getting results, with talented players bought for reasonable prices being coached by a talented manager. On the other hand, Tuchel almost always wants one-dimensional physical beasts, pace/flair merchants or mediocre old players just because they're "experienced".

At Bayern, he has Müller and de Ligt, but he prefers physically more gifted players than them, and doesn't appreciate their intelligence and opinionated personalities. That's why he always loses the respect of his players soon, because he's highly dependent on field generals to succeed, but it's only a matter of time before he's called out on his incompetence and stupidity by them.

Not only that, but he's also morally bankrupt. Back in Dortmund, he actually did want to play the Monaco tie right after the bus attack, but he then turned out and claimed he didn't but Watzke forced his hand to play the tie to save his own ass and paint Watzke as a monster at the same time. He even said "Am I supposed to beat Bayern with these wimps?" all the while being the biggest wimp of all by throwing others under the bus for his own misdeeds. Sure, Pit Gottschalk isn't known as a pillar of accurate reporting, but why would someone risk going to court and have his reputation utterly ruined by lying?

Not to mention he believes in ayurveda. Far be it from me to judge the personal spiritual beliefs of others, but ayurveda isn't just spirituality, it's a medical doctrine. It's nothing short of screwed up that someone responsible for the health, safety and performance of give-or-take 20 players actually believes in unscientific quack medicine that he probably doesn't bat an eye on having used on his players. If there's any sense left in society, such a person forfeits the right to practice his job and has his coaching license torn apart.
What an amazing drivel. Really impressive how you can bend the truth in several aspects. Like for example, he didn't ran Mislintat out of Dortmund, in fact Mislintat stayed longer there than Tuchel. Still they apparently once clashed over a player, but that didn't stop them from working together. Also keep in mind that neither Tuchel nor Mislintat actually signed the players there but Zorc did, so that was at least a three way issue.
 
Tuchel's problem is simply that his entire career is a lie.

In his previous clubs, he appeared to be a good tactician, but he had two important factors on his side that made him look way better than he actually is:

Field generals on the pitch: At Dortmund, he had Hummels and Gündogan. In PSG, he was lucky to have Verratti, Neymar and Thiago Silva. Same with Chelsea, where he benefitted from Silva (again), Azpilicueta, Jorginho AND Kanté. Some of them were amazing passers/creators and some were great defensively, but they all shared an extremely high level of football IQ and leadership qualities. They could coach their teammates without requiring Tuchel to micromanage them or come up with highly sophisticated tactics. At Bayern, Müller and de Ligt are the closest thing to field generals, but the former is too old and slow while not being "silky" enough as far as Tuchel is concerned, while de Ligt is also "too slow" and pretty injury prone.

Benjamin Weber: Believe it or not, this guy was the real brains behind Tuchel, even more so than his field generals. Just think about Tuchel's apparent greatest strengths: he was very flexible and reacted pretty quickly to what was happening on the pitch; moreover, his game plans/preparations in big games were usually extremely successful. Statisticians and video analysts have something to do with them, don't they? Fittingly enough, Benjamin Weber was his video analyst starting from his Mainz career all the way until he got sacked by Chelsea.

He coasted on these guys' talent and hard work throughout his entire career, shamelessly stealing credit from them like Gilderoy Lockhart from Harry Potter. And since he's a charismatic extrovert with a silver tongue, he knew how to compile their ideas into cool soundbytes to parrot the content to sound like a dashing genius instead of the utter fraud he is. That's why he still enjoys the reputation of being a highly intelligent and competent coach in footballing circles.

Being a man of limited ability and intelligence, he doesn't like it when he's called out on his BS either. Back in Dortmund, he ran the highly data-driven scout Sven Mislintat out of town because he found his scouting methods too technocratic. Mislintat made heavy use of stats and data when scouting players while Tuchel was in favor of divining their attitude from their video footages. Guess whose methods are better? Mislintat's work at Stuttgart, a club infamous for being a hopeless case, is finally getting results, with talented players bought for reasonable prices being coached by a talented manager. On the other hand, Tuchel almost always wants one-dimensional physical beasts, pace/flair merchants or mediocre old players just because they're "experienced".

At Bayern, he has Müller and de Ligt, but he prefers physically more gifted players than them, and doesn't appreciate their intelligence and opinionated personalities. That's why he always loses the respect of his players soon, because he's highly dependent on field generals to succeed, but it's only a matter of time before he's called out on his incompetence and stupidity by them.

Not only that, but he's also morally bankrupt. Back in Dortmund, he actually did want to play the Monaco tie right after the bus attack, but he then turned out and claimed he didn't but Watzke forced his hand to play the tie to save his own ass and paint Watzke as a monster at the same time. He even said "Am I supposed to beat Bayern with these wimps?" all the while being the biggest wimp of all by throwing others under the bus for his own misdeeds. Sure, Pit Gottschalk isn't known as a pillar of accurate reporting, but why would someone risk going to court and have his reputation utterly ruined by lying?

Not to mention he believes in ayurveda. Far be it from me to judge the personal spiritual beliefs of others, but ayurveda isn't just spirituality, it's a medical doctrine. It's nothing short of screwed up that someone responsible for the health, safety and performance of give-or-take 20 players actually believes in unscientific quack medicine that he probably doesn't bat an eye on having used on his players. If there's any sense left in society, such a person forfeits the right to practice his job and has his coaching license torn apart.

He embodies the currently popular fake-it-till-you-make-it culture, just like Elizabeth Holmes and Sam Bankman-Fried.

Wow, guess we've found Tuchel's ex-wife's Caf account
 
Tuchel's problem is simply that his entire career is a lie.

In his previous clubs, he appeared to be a good tactician, but he had two important factors on his side that made him look way better than he actually is:

Field generals on the pitch: At Dortmund, he had Hummels and Gündogan. In PSG, he was lucky to have Verratti, Neymar and Thiago Silva. Same with Chelsea, where he benefitted from Silva (again), Azpilicueta, Jorginho AND Kanté. Some of them were amazing passers/creators and some were great defensively, but they all shared an extremely high level of football IQ and leadership qualities. They could coach their teammates without requiring Tuchel to micromanage them or come up with highly sophisticated tactics. At Bayern, Müller and de Ligt are the closest thing to field generals, but the former is too old and slow while not being "silky" enough as far as Tuchel is concerned, while de Ligt is also "too slow" and pretty injury prone.

Benjamin Weber: Believe it or not, this guy was the real brains behind Tuchel, even more so than his field generals. Just think about Tuchel's apparent greatest strengths: he was very flexible and reacted pretty quickly to what was happening on the pitch; moreover, his game plans/preparations in big games were usually extremely successful. Statisticians and video analysts have something to do with them, don't they? Fittingly enough, Benjamin Weber was his video analyst starting from his Mainz career all the way until he got sacked by Chelsea.

He coasted on these guys' talent and hard work throughout his entire career, shamelessly stealing credit from them like Gilderoy Lockhart from Harry Potter. And since he's a charismatic extrovert with a silver tongue, he knew how to compile their ideas into cool soundbytes to parrot the content to sound like a dashing genius instead of the utter fraud he is. That's why he still enjoys the reputation of being a highly intelligent and competent coach in footballing circles.

Being a man of limited ability and intelligence, he doesn't like it when he's called out on his BS either. Back in Dortmund, he ran the highly data-driven scout Sven Mislintat out of town because he found his scouting methods too technocratic. Mislintat made heavy use of stats and data when scouting players while Tuchel was in favor of divining their attitude from their video footages. Guess whose methods are better? Mislintat's work at Stuttgart, a club infamous for being a hopeless case, is finally getting results, with talented players bought for reasonable prices being coached by a talented manager. On the other hand, Tuchel almost always wants one-dimensional physical beasts, pace/flair merchants or mediocre old players just because they're "experienced".

At Bayern, he has Müller and de Ligt, but he prefers physically more gifted players than them, and doesn't appreciate their intelligence and opinionated personalities. That's why he always loses the respect of his players soon, because he's highly dependent on field generals to succeed, but it's only a matter of time before he's called out on his incompetence and stupidity by them.

Not only that, but he's also morally bankrupt. Back in Dortmund, he actually did want to play the Monaco tie right after the bus attack, but he then turned out and claimed he didn't but Watzke forced his hand to play the tie to save his own ass and paint Watzke as a monster at the same time. He even said "Am I supposed to beat Bayern with these wimps?" all the while being the biggest wimp of all by throwing others under the bus for his own misdeeds. Sure, Pit Gottschalk isn't known as a pillar of accurate reporting, but why would someone risk going to court and have his reputation utterly ruined by lying?

Not to mention he believes in ayurveda. Far be it from me to judge the personal spiritual beliefs of others, but ayurveda isn't just spirituality, it's a medical doctrine. It's nothing short of screwed up that someone responsible for the health, safety and performance of give-or-take 20 players actually believes in unscientific quack medicine that he probably doesn't bat an eye on having used on his players. If there's any sense left in society, such a person forfeits the right to practice his job and has his coaching license torn apart.

He embodies the currently popular fake-it-till-you-make-it culture, just like Elizabeth Holmes and Sam Bankman-Fried.
Did he actually use Ayurveda on his players or just himself? And this is a plus in my book. Different cultures have developed their own methods of medicine over centuries, even if some aspects are not scientifically proven in the west, they have been proven to work on their people and cultures, e.g Ayurveda or TCM. Do you count yoga as scientifically proven? Might be useful to keep an open mind, though going by your tone, these details don’t matter other than to nail your target
 
Pretty worrying that both Tommy here and Potter are most likely going to be free agents this Summer. I hope INEOS have a better plan than these two to replace ETH.

I like to think Potter has been vindicated a little considering how the Caf darling Poch is doing in Chelsea.
 
Tuchel's problem is simply that his entire career is a lie.

In his previous clubs, he appeared to be a good tactician, but he had two important factors on his side that made him look way better than he actually is:

Field generals on the pitch: At Dortmund, he had Hummels and Gündogan. In PSG, he was lucky to have Verratti, Neymar and Thiago Silva. Same with Chelsea, where he benefitted from Silva (again), Azpilicueta, Jorginho AND Kanté. Some of them were amazing passers/creators and some were great defensively, but they all shared an extremely high level of football IQ and leadership qualities. They could coach their teammates without requiring Tuchel to micromanage them or come up with highly sophisticated tactics. At Bayern, Müller and de Ligt are the closest thing to field generals, but the former is too old and slow while not being "silky" enough as far as Tuchel is concerned, while de Ligt is also "too slow" and pretty injury prone.

Benjamin Weber: Believe it or not, this guy was the real brains behind Tuchel, even more so than his field generals. Just think about Tuchel's apparent greatest strengths: he was very flexible and reacted pretty quickly to what was happening on the pitch; moreover, his game plans/preparations in big games were usually extremely successful. Statisticians and video analysts have something to do with them, don't they? Fittingly enough, Benjamin Weber was his video analyst starting from his Mainz career all the way until he got sacked by Chelsea.

He coasted on these guys' talent and hard work throughout his entire career, shamelessly stealing credit from them like Gilderoy Lockhart from Harry Potter. And since he's a charismatic extrovert with a silver tongue, he knew how to compile their ideas into cool soundbytes to parrot the content to sound like a dashing genius instead of the utter fraud he is. That's why he still enjoys the reputation of being a highly intelligent and competent coach in footballing circles.

Being a man of limited ability and intelligence, he doesn't like it when he's called out on his BS either. Back in Dortmund, he ran the highly data-driven scout Sven Mislintat out of town because he found his scouting methods too technocratic. Mislintat made heavy use of stats and data when scouting players while Tuchel was in favor of divining their attitude from their video footages. Guess whose methods are better? Mislintat's work at Stuttgart, a club infamous for being a hopeless case, is finally getting results, with talented players bought for reasonable prices being coached by a talented manager. On the other hand, Tuchel almost always wants one-dimensional physical beasts, pace/flair merchants or mediocre old players just because they're "experienced".

At Bayern, he has Müller and de Ligt, but he prefers physically more gifted players than them, and doesn't appreciate their intelligence and opinionated personalities. That's why he always loses the respect of his players soon, because he's highly dependent on field generals to succeed, but it's only a matter of time before he's called out on his incompetence and stupidity by them.

Not only that, but he's also morally bankrupt. Back in Dortmund, he actually did want to play the Monaco tie right after the bus attack, but he then turned out and claimed he didn't but Watzke forced his hand to play the tie to save his own ass and paint Watzke as a monster at the same time. He even said "Am I supposed to beat Bayern with these wimps?" all the while being the biggest wimp of all by throwing others under the bus for his own misdeeds. Sure, Pit Gottschalk isn't known as a pillar of accurate reporting, but why would someone risk going to court and have his reputation utterly ruined by lying?

Not to mention he believes in ayurveda. Far be it from me to judge the personal spiritual beliefs of others, but ayurveda isn't just spirituality, it's a medical doctrine. It's nothing short of screwed up that someone responsible for the health, safety and performance of give-or-take 20 players actually believes in unscientific quack medicine that he probably doesn't bat an eye on having used on his players. If there's any sense left in society, such a person forfeits the right to practice his job and has his coaching license torn apart.

He embodies the currently popular fake-it-till-you-make-it culture, just like Elizabeth Holmes and Sam Bankman-Fried.
:lol: Your only ever post, too. My only wish in life is to have my positive energy at levels one-tenth as strong as your hating levels.
 
Tuchel's problem is simply that his entire career is a lie.
He coasted on these guys' talent and hard work throughout his entire career, shamelessly stealing credit from them like Gilderoy Lockhart from Harry Potter. And since he's a charismatic extrovert with a silver tongue, he knew how to compile their ideas into cool soundbytes to parrot the content to sound like a dashing genius instead of the utter fraud he is.
Being a man of limited ability and intelligence
Not only that, but he's also morally bankrupt.

:lol:
 
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Tuchel's problem is simply that his entire career is a lie.

In his previous clubs, he appeared to be a good tactician, but he had two important factors on his side that made him look way better than he actually is:

Field generals on the pitch: At Dortmund, he had Hummels and Gündogan. In PSG, he was lucky to have Verratti, Neymar and Thiago Silva. Same with Chelsea, where he benefitted from Silva (again), Azpilicueta, Jorginho AND Kanté. Some of them were amazing passers/creators and some were great defensively, but they all shared an extremely high level of football IQ and leadership qualities. They could coach their teammates without requiring Tuchel to micromanage them or come up with highly sophisticated tactics. At Bayern, Müller and de Ligt are the closest thing to field generals, but the former is too old and slow while not being "silky" enough as far as Tuchel is concerned, while de Ligt is also "too slow" and pretty injury prone.

Benjamin Weber: Believe it or not, this guy was the real brains behind Tuchel, even more so than his field generals. Just think about Tuchel's apparent greatest strengths: he was very flexible and reacted pretty quickly to what was happening on the pitch; moreover, his game plans/preparations in big games were usually extremely successful. Statisticians and video analysts have something to do with them, don't they? Fittingly enough, Benjamin Weber was his video analyst starting from his Mainz career all the way until he got sacked by Chelsea.

He coasted on these guys' talent and hard work throughout his entire career, shamelessly stealing credit from them like Gilderoy Lockhart from Harry Potter. And since he's a charismatic extrovert with a silver tongue, he knew how to compile their ideas into cool soundbytes to parrot the content to sound like a dashing genius instead of the utter fraud he is. That's why he still enjoys the reputation of being a highly intelligent and competent coach in footballing circles.

Being a man of limited ability and intelligence, he doesn't like it when he's called out on his BS either. Back in Dortmund, he ran the highly data-driven scout Sven Mislintat out of town because he found his scouting methods too technocratic. Mislintat made heavy use of stats and data when scouting players while Tuchel was in favor of divining their attitude from their video footages. Guess whose methods are better? Mislintat's work at Stuttgart, a club infamous for being a hopeless case, is finally getting results, with talented players bought for reasonable prices being coached by a talented manager. On the other hand, Tuchel almost always wants one-dimensional physical beasts, pace/flair merchants or mediocre old players just because they're "experienced".

At Bayern, he has Müller and de Ligt, but he prefers physically more gifted players than them, and doesn't appreciate their intelligence and opinionated personalities. That's why he always loses the respect of his players soon, because he's highly dependent on field generals to succeed, but it's only a matter of time before he's called out on his incompetence and stupidity by them.

Not only that, but he's also morally bankrupt. Back in Dortmund, he actually did want to play the Monaco tie right after the bus attack, but he then turned out and claimed he didn't but Watzke forced his hand to play the tie to save his own ass and paint Watzke as a monster at the same time. He even said "Am I supposed to beat Bayern with these wimps?" all the while being the biggest wimp of all by throwing others under the bus for his own misdeeds. Sure, Pit Gottschalk isn't known as a pillar of accurate reporting, but why would someone risk going to court and have his reputation utterly ruined by lying?

Not to mention he believes in ayurveda. Far be it from me to judge the personal spiritual beliefs of others, but ayurveda isn't just spirituality, it's a medical doctrine. It's nothing short of screwed up that someone responsible for the health, safety and performance of give-or-take 20 players actually believes in unscientific quack medicine that he probably doesn't bat an eye on having used on his players. If there's any sense left in society, such a person forfeits the right to practice his job and has his coaching license torn apart.

He embodies the currently popular fake-it-till-you-make-it culture, just like Elizabeth Holmes and Sam Bankman-Fried.
Fool's Gold.
 
Tuchel's problem is simply that his entire career is a lie.

In his previous clubs, he appeared to be a good tactician, but he had two important factors on his side that made him look way better than he actually is:

Field generals on the pitch: At Dortmund, he had Hummels and Gündogan. In PSG, he was lucky to have Verratti, Neymar and Thiago Silva. Same with Chelsea, where he benefitted from Silva (again), Azpilicueta, Jorginho AND Kanté. Some of them were amazing passers/creators and some were great defensively, but they all shared an extremely high level of football IQ and leadership qualities. They could coach their teammates without requiring Tuchel to micromanage them or come up with highly sophisticated tactics. At Bayern, Müller and de Ligt are the closest thing to field generals, but the former is too old and slow while not being "silky" enough as far as Tuchel is concerned, while de Ligt is also "too slow" and pretty injury prone.

Benjamin Weber: Believe it or not, this guy was the real brains behind Tuchel, even more so than his field generals. Just think about Tuchel's apparent greatest strengths: he was very flexible and reacted pretty quickly to what was happening on the pitch; moreover, his game plans/preparations in big games were usually extremely successful. Statisticians and video analysts have something to do with them, don't they? Fittingly enough, Benjamin Weber was his video analyst starting from his Mainz career all the way until he got sacked by Chelsea.

He coasted on these guys' talent and hard work throughout his entire career, shamelessly stealing credit from them like Gilderoy Lockhart from Harry Potter. And since he's a charismatic extrovert with a silver tongue, he knew how to compile their ideas into cool soundbytes to parrot the content to sound like a dashing genius instead of the utter fraud he is. That's why he still enjoys the reputation of being a highly intelligent and competent coach in footballing circles.

Being a man of limited ability and intelligence, he doesn't like it when he's called out on his BS either. Back in Dortmund, he ran the highly data-driven scout Sven Mislintat out of town because he found his scouting methods too technocratic. Mislintat made heavy use of stats and data when scouting players while Tuchel was in favor of divining their attitude from their video footages. Guess whose methods are better? Mislintat's work at Stuttgart, a club infamous for being a hopeless case, is finally getting results, with talented players bought for reasonable prices being coached by a talented manager. On the other hand, Tuchel almost always wants one-dimensional physical beasts, pace/flair merchants or mediocre old players just because they're "experienced".

At Bayern, he has Müller and de Ligt, but he prefers physically more gifted players than them, and doesn't appreciate their intelligence and opinionated personalities. That's why he always loses the respect of his players soon, because he's highly dependent on field generals to succeed, but it's only a matter of time before he's called out on his incompetence and stupidity by them.

Not only that, but he's also morally bankrupt. Back in Dortmund, he actually did want to play the Monaco tie right after the bus attack, but he then turned out and claimed he didn't but Watzke forced his hand to play the tie to save his own ass and paint Watzke as a monster at the same time. He even said "Am I supposed to beat Bayern with these wimps?" all the while being the biggest wimp of all by throwing others under the bus for his own misdeeds. Sure, Pit Gottschalk isn't known as a pillar of accurate reporting, but why would someone risk going to court and have his reputation utterly ruined by lying?

Not to mention he believes in ayurveda. Far be it from me to judge the personal spiritual beliefs of others, but ayurveda isn't just spirituality, it's a medical doctrine. It's nothing short of screwed up that someone responsible for the health, safety and performance of give-or-take 20 players actually believes in unscientific quack medicine that he probably doesn't bat an eye on having used on his players. If there's any sense left in society, such a person forfeits the right to practice his job and has his coaching license torn apart.

He embodies the currently popular fake-it-till-you-make-it culture, just like Elizabeth Holmes and Sam Bankman-Fried.

This post is glorious.
 
I can't see him go back to Chelsea. In EPL other than Liverpool, potentially West ham and Newcastle may be in the market for a new head coach as well.
 
Did he actually use Ayurveda on his players or just himself? And this is a plus in my book. Different cultures have developed their own methods of medicine over centuries, even if some aspects are not scientifically proven in the west, they have been proven to work on their people and cultures, e.g Ayurveda or TCM.
Some stuff works, but only by fluke or through the placebo effect. If something works, it just gets incorporated into "conventional" medicine sooner or later, but I just take issue with injecting metaphysics into medicine and expecting it to be a staple of it.
Do you count yoga as scientifically proven? Might be useful to keep an open mind, though going by your tone, these details don’t matter other than to nail your target
I don't mind yoga in itself. Some people spiritually believe in it, some people do it for physical exercise and to improve their flexibility, and some do it to meditate and practice mindfulness. All valid reasons, but when someone actually thinks it will treat their [insert serious disease here] or it should be a vital part of life, it becomes delusional.
 
Pure shithousery.

would be the ultimate dick move from Xabi. Wins Bundesliga for Bayer Leverkuse & then fecks off to Bayern :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I think most Leverkusen fans would be okay with him going whereever he pleases if he overcomes our league curse. But Bayern would really hurt, not gonna lie. It would also be devastating for the league image. Bayern should never complain about the bad international revenues of the Bundesliga if they pull this off.

Anyway, I still don't believe it will happen. Initially, Sky proclaimed that Alonso to Bayern was 'probable' in their headline and then clarified that this is based on Bayern being optimistic while Alonso blocks every future talks because he wants to focus on the title race. Then, they published a list which clubs Alonso preferred with Liverpool first, Madrid second and Bayern third. This was followed up by a report that Alonso rules out Bayern because of the chaos at the club. Now suddenly, they again deem it likely that he goes there.

Meanwhile, Rolfes is still optimistic he stays and Leverkusen employees report that he is very enthusiastic about the squad planning for next year. They say Alonso doesn't conduct himself like somebody who is about to move at all.

Still see Madrid in the pole position personally.
 
Just put him in a taxi to munich right after your championship celebrations.
 
This is basically the meme Redcafe believes regarding Bayern and the Bundesliga.

Got a good player? We'll take him.
Got a great manager? We'll have that.
I mean, it's really not a meme.

Kovac - good job with Frankfurt - poached by Bayern.
Nagelsmann - good job with RB Leipzig - poached by Bayern.
Alonso - good job with Leverkusen - poached by Bayern.
 
Just put him in a taxi to munich right after your championship celebrations.

The celebrations will be in NRW. If we put him in a taxi to Munich, he'll arrive there in 2030 as the earliest thanks to traffic jams.
 
Bayern always poach managers and players from Bundesliga. It’s like they’ve not heard of anyone els outside of Germany. Teams are stupid for selling them there best players aswell over the years.
 
I mean, it's really not a meme.

Kovac - good job with Frankfurt - poached by Bayern.
Nagelsmann - good job with RB Leipzig - poached by Bayern.
Alonso - good job with Leverkusen - poached by Bayern.

There are 2 options either within the league or outside

Pep outside the league did a good job poached by Bayern
Carlo outside the league did a good job poached by Bayern
Tuchel outside the league did a good job poached by Bayern