Thomas Tuchel | Gone to & from Bayern (In Summer)

Regulus Arcturus Black said:
He’s a good coach, a top cup manager.

He’s not the man if you wanna be a top league side. I mean, one second placed season with Dortmund before finishing third behind Ralph fecking Hasenhüttl certainly doesn’t dispel that.
Oh, and certainly nor does winning a one horse race with a squad the wage the size of the rest of Ligue 1 put together before ultimately half being responsible for them losing said one horse league.

Show me a good club in a good league where his league performances have been consistent and haven’t gotten considerably worse season on season.

No amount of complaining is gonna make a man with only 2 league titles in a one horse league where he also lost one look a top league manager.
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Let's do it the other way round, you name me a league season in which he underperformed and I'm sure there's a good excuse for why this happened. Stuff like the whole club being in chaos because the owner is one of the cronies of a war criminal or his team almost being killed.

Tuchel has also more to show than just the (extraordinary) second place finish with Dortmund on 2.3 ppg. He made Mainz punch above their weight for years, then went to PSG and hat 2.39 and 2.52 ppg in his first two seasons and then took over Chelsea and lead them into the UCL from a terrible starting position. 2.0 ppg in his first and 1.95 ppg in his second campaign for them. Despite his relatively short period in England, he's the 8th best coach in EPL history in terms of ppg, closely behind Wenger.

redcucumber said:
Isn't Laurent Blanc generally regarded as being the most successful manager PSG have had (post takeover)?
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Don't know
 
Zehner said:
. Despite his relatively short period in England, he's the 8th best coach in EPL history in terms of ppg, closely behind Wenger.
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Considering Arteta is 9th, I don’t think that quite tells the story of a top league manager that you think it does.
It makes grimmer reading looking at the Chelsea managers ppg since Ranieri and learning he’s 7th/8th joint with Hiddink, and behind Avram Grant, Scolari & Benitez.
Saying “despite” doesn’t make any sense either, as often shorter spells and a fast sacking result in a better ppg, not worse. Tuchel getting harshly fired when he did was a godsend for his ppg that had been dropping like a lead ballon since his first half season.

The stats you posted certainly is more proof though of him getting worse every league season he’s been in charge of a club since and including Dortmund.
 
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Regulus Arcturus Black said:
Considering Arteta is 9th, I don’t think that quite tells the story of a top league manager that you think it does.
It makes grimmer reading looking at the Chelsea managers ppg since Ranieri and learning he’s 7th/8th joint with Hiddink, and behind Avram Grant, Scolari & Benitez.

The stats you posted certainly is more proof though of him getting worse every league season he’s been in charge of a club since and including Dortmund.
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I think that's purposely superficial out of desire to criticize. Every single season he underperformed, there are valid explanations for it, and his sackings were never performance related. You could say the same about Klopp or Guardiola if they were sacked during drops of form of their teams. If you want to criticize him that badly, why not focus on his seemingly difficult personality because he fell out with his team and/or superiors at every club he was?

IMO his style of football is actually better suited for leagues than cup competitions, same as Guardiola.
 
Moving away from the general discussion about him, is it now safe to say that he massively underestimated the Bayern job and the current issues there?

I get the feeling like he expected that he would just need to work a bit on their system to make them play more stable (as this stability was lacking and a reason for Nagelsmann's sacking), but now has to realize that there are massive structural issues, both regarding the quality of the squad and the mental state of the players at the moment.
 
WeePat said:
He’s always absolved Poch of that season and laid the blame squarely on Tuchel. This isn’t something new. It’s obvious troll behaviour.
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Are all the people who do the opposite (put all the blame only on Poch) also trolling? Some of them probably are in fact, trying to get a raise out of Amadaeus, but others seem to do it legit.
 
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Spare a thought for the "see, someone else failed to win their one team league too!" @Amadaeus post draft that will now never see the light of day. :(
 
Turmoil above his head at Chelsea 12 months after he signs for us. Tumoil above his head at Bayern 2 months after singing for them. The man is unlucky, you have to say.
 
Lost 2 0 to Leipzig today. Must be one of the most overhyped manager in football. Lost ligue 1 with psg, almost lost German Bundesliga with bayern, left chelsea in a mess and so on. I don't get the hype for him.
 
Amadaeus said:
Lost 2 0 to Leipzig today. Must be one of the most overhyped manager in football. Lost ligue 1 with psg, almost lost German Bundesliga with bayern, left chelsea in a mess and so on. I don't get the hype for him.
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Winning trophies outside PSG? Winning a CL?

;)
 
Amadaeus said:
Lost 2 0 to Leipzig today. Must be one of the most overhyped manager in football. Lost ligue 1 with psg, almost lost German Bundesliga with bayern, left chelsea in a mess and so on. I don't get the hype for him.
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:lol:
 
Amadaeus said:
Lost 2 0 to Leipzig today. Must be one of the most overhyped manager in football. Lost ligue 1 with psg, almost lost German Bundesliga with bayern, left chelsea in a mess and so on. I don't get the hype for him.
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Out of curiosity, what do you do? What’s your profession?
 
V.O. said:
:lol:
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0.000001% of me wants Chelsea to crash and burn this season, finish 14th in the league just to see how he would justify Poch’s failures to us. He’s utterly utterly shameless.
 
OnlyTwoDaSilvas said:
Amadeus is just the best troll-bot I've ever seen. Props to the programmers, they know how rustle jimmies.
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He is not a bot which is even more impressive. It's one of the best wums in the business, in fact I wish he would make some appearances on chess live chats and out troll some of the kids.
 
JPRouve said:
He is not a bot which is even more impressive. It's one of the best wums in the business, in fact I wish he would make some appearances on chess live chats and out troll some of the kids.
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Oh yeah, I know he's not a bot. It's just hard to believe that an actual adult person could be this way.
 
Amadaeus said:
Lost 2 0 to Leipzig today. Must be one of the most overhyped manager in football. Lost ligue 1 with psg, almost lost German Bundesliga with bayern, left chelsea in a mess and so on. I don't get the hype for him.
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Comedy gold.
 
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