That's not what makes Müller special though. The intelligence in his movement without the ball isn't simply described by workrate and being productive at the end of an attack. His runs without the ball are incredible clever and very often create dangerous situations for other players. He's heavily involved in the attack even when he's not touching the ball and not just a few times, he's doing that consistently throughout the game.
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That's not what makes Müller special though. The intelligence in his movement without the ball isn't simply described by workrate and being productive at the end of an attack. His runs without the ball are incredible clever and very often create dangerous situations for other players. He's heavily involved in the attack even when he's not touching the ball and not just a few times, he's doing that consistently throughout the game.
And that sounds like Pedro, and perhaps to a lesser extent Park and Young.
Brilliant...
What's brilliant?
That's not a bad comparison actually. Although I'd say Muller has slightly more to him because of his physical presence, but Pedro has more pace. Park is similar, but we didn't use that role enough for him to show if he could be as effective and Young has nowhere near the level of awareness or movement that the others do.
Well, I could describe C. Ronaldo and it would sound like André Schürrle. Does that mean Ronaldo isn't special?
Pedro is a comparable player or let's say he was at his best. I think Pedro fulfilled a role within Guardiola's tactics that isn't far off what Müller is doing, though not on the same level imo. Müller is more creative in it, he reads the game better than Pedro, makes it more often with more damage to the opponent's defense, makes more decisions on his own that influence the attack.
Ballack left on a free.
Maybe it is. After all, I never said he isn't an intellingent footballer. I said I don't see any genius when I watch him.
In my own footballing opinions, I don't consider having great movement as footballing genius per se. Of course, that doesn't mean you are not a good player, but perhaps I am a bit more traditional in the sense that I define the greats based upon actual footballing ability. I don't think Muller is crap or anything, but I would say that Mario Goetze is on a different level to him, for instance. I think he is productive, but not that gifted.
The gulf between Ronaldo and Schurlle is far greater than the gulf between Muller and Pedro.
Interested to see how footballs Albert Einstein approaches tonight's game, with a four nil lead in place. I'd love to see something special from Barcelona/Messi.
I agree. Doesn't make the comparison between Müller and Park/Young less stupid though.
You goes think Muller's better than Pedro? Tend do disagree in all honesty. Pedro's easily one of the best front 3 wingers around. Would take him here in a heartbeat.
It's not a stupid comparison, especially when you consider the context. All of those players make 'intelligent' runs for the benefit of thier teammates from a wing forward position.
You seem a bit butthurt that I mentioned Muller and Park in the same sentence but the comparison is applicable.
So is the comparison between Schürrle and Ronaldo. Both start from a wide position and try to score goals. I never said that Park didn't make intelligent runs for the benefit of his teammates. If you're saying Park did it almost as often and as smart as Müller does, well then I believe you haven't watched enough of Müller.
Yeah the comparison between Schurlle and Ronaldo is apt too, if it makes you feel better. Might want to take that discussion to the appropriate thread though.
How many goals and assist does Iniesta have?
Iniesta, 51 matches, 5 goals, 23 assists
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In CL and Bundesliga Müller it is 36 matches, 19 goals and 14 assists in 2775 minutes - a goal or an assist every 84 minutes. Gets remarkable when you know that he did most of the Bundesliga goals away from home, usually does not score the 3:0 or 4:0s and did all that crucial goals for Bayern in the CL this year.
Will tonight be a Müller night? I do not know. It has some ingredients. Big match, semi final, away match, Barcelona the opponent. That speaks for it. But Bayern already leads 4:0. That speaks against. Müller somehow has a special mentality.
It is true that I only seem to remember Muller scoring important or vital goals, great asset to have.
Just followed us on Instagram and tweeted a throwback post to Louis - "amazing guy".
Properly means very little but he is the sort of player I'd love here. Very committed player, always seems to turn on the style in big games and is a bit of a prick (in a good sense that it winds the opposition and their fans up).
It's a fake account.
Oh yes please.
My worst fears confirmed.
One of my favorite players and I would love him here. Can't see him leaving Bayern though.
FFS - why bump a 2 year old thread with this bullshit?
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