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Thomas Frank | Brentford Manager
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Oh for goodness sake
Surprised Liverpool or Bayern haven't looked at him.
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Big step up for him but wouldn’t be a bad choice.
best and most realistic candidate if you're going to hire from within the league
A bit a curve ball one but wouldn't be completely against it. Definitely rather him than Southagate (And probably Potter).
Also imagine he'd bring Ivan Tony and / or Mbeumo with him who I feel would be good signings.
Also imagine he'd bring Ivan Tony and / or Mbeumo with him who I feel would be good signings.
I don't agree, everybody has a different character and personality, which would be the deciding factor on whether they can transition. There's managers like Pep who went straight into one of the biggest clubs in the world. Then there are all of the managers that did well at mid-table or lower placed clubs and got handed the keys at bigger clubs, such as Klopp, who was managing a team that he got relegated and failed to promote back to Bundesliga, before going to one of Germany's biggest teams. It's more about their personality than the opportunities they have been given so far. I personally could see Frank doing fine at a bigger club as he seems quite a cocky, confident guy. He wouldn't be my first choice, but had us or any other club hired him then I don't think that would have been an issue.
Besides, this is a perfect place for a manager of this stature. They'll never get criticism from fans at the ground, only support. They'll be given boat loads of cash to spend and will be backed up by a very experienced footballing structure. You'd have to flop hard to be as bad as we have been this season, and even now ETH barely gets the criticism he deserves and actually has people saying he should stay. If this were Barcelona, Bayern or Real then he'd have been gone before Christmas. No question about it.
Would definitely prefer him over Southgate or Potter.
Out of the managers in the PL, Frank is there with Iraola as two managers I wouldn't be against INEOS appointing.
Its good the club seems to be acknowledging the great work these particular coaches are doing though.
Yeah, if you want an analytical approach to coaching choices, Frank is the kind of candidate that would pop up high in the list.
Just had a look at the last few pages, looks like people would love it if we signed him
He's definitely one of those managers that you love if he is your manager, but hate otherwise.
Better than Southgate or Potter I guess.
Maybe not even better than Potter. I don't know anymore. Do whatever
Maybe not even better than Potter. I don't know anymore. Do whatever
Good manager, smart and with a strong personality. That said, isn't this too steep a step for him to take?
He's never won any silverware. He didn't win any titles with Brøndby and won promotion from the Championship with Brentford in a playoff game against Swansea. Finished behind Norwich and Watford.
He's never won any silverware. He didn't win any titles with Brøndby and won promotion from the Championship with Brentford in a playoff game against Swansea. Finished behind Norwich and Watford.
He's a good manager but I really, really don't like him.
Why? He has a massive ego, on display in practically every post-game interview where they've lost against us.
Not that I'm advocating him, just curious what makes you think he'd shrink. He seems to think he's a very big deal.
Exactly that. I don't think he's got a clue how big it would be and would be in for a massive shock due to his ego.
mabye im out of the loop, but why do people hate thomas frank?
At one stage the cost of the entire Brentford squad was something like 2-3m.
hes done well to keep them competitive in the PL
hes done well to keep them competitive in the PL
Its bloody amazing, frankly.
Allow me to be frank.
He did good job but for some reason I don't think he will suit big club.
Wouldn’t be amongst my top choices but he can be on the list.
Prefer him over Southgate or Potter but yeah, as others have said, I just really really dont like him.
Don't you think you have to have a massive ego to manage these giant clubs so that you aren't swayed and can hold your own because of your belief in your self and what you're saying/doing? He doesn't strike me as a fool when I hear him interviewed, just leaves me rather bemused with his ideas above his current station, which you get when it comes to really talented up and coming coaches, but not ones like him who haven't done anything to warrant that level of ego.
How low we have fallen that he's even mentioned - hadn't ever given him a moment's thought, but it is interesting to think about his personality and how it makes me think he's the kind of guy who would believe he's now in a role befitting of his self-perception. Don't know if he's a narcissist or anything of that sort, but he doesn't look like someone who is ever bowed in more esteemed places or company, which, for me, suggests, he'd not find that part of the job hard. Criticism and scrutiny? Yes, probably. But not the 'being here' or the demands.
I can’t stand him after that fanny attack he had after we beat them a couple of years back.
He got all sarcastic and was going on about “the mighty Man Utd having to change their tactics for little old Brentford” and how they should’ve won until we did that.
Yeah mate - we were losing, so we made a tactical change and then we won. That’s how football works you smug prick.
I don’t even think he’d necessarily be a bad appointment. I just can’t stand him.
Brentford fans love him. Given the injuries and Toney situation, he has done a phenomenal job this season and has made some fairly low key players perform extremely well. He's strong willed and engenders a lot of loyalty from his players, so I'm not concerned by his spiky personality. He's an ass maybe but he could be OUR ass 
My initial reaction was to wince at the idea but, looking at it logically, it makes a lot of sense. We could do far far worse and he develops players very well. Could be a 'gamble' well worth taking.
My initial reaction was to wince at the idea but, looking at it logically, it makes a lot of sense. We could do far far worse and he develops players very well. Could be a 'gamble' well worth taking.It's difficult to know whether some players or managers can make the jump from a lower tier club to a bigger club. I've been wrong many times in the past but I don't see Frank being the right man for us. Could he do a good job at Everton, Newcastle, Spurs etc? Possibly. The best I see him doing with us is becoming a consistent contender for top 4 (as in finishing 4th or 5th) for the next 3-4 years. He'll have to get a lot of things right and we'll need recruiting and coaching to be a damn sight better than it has been. ETH is taking us on a destructive downward spiral and it'll take a lot of work to undo that.
Will he attract big names? Probably not in the first season, but if he gets us to 4th and shows progress then those players might start considering us.
Will he attract big names? Probably not in the first season, but if he gets us to 4th and shows progress then those players might start considering us.
He's whingey and arrogant.
I wouldn’t be against Frank as I don’t think hiring him would disrupt much in the long term. You sign a manager like Tuchel or Southgate, you need to follow them where they try to take the football team, bend to their tactics, get them their players etc and the impact of their reign could do too much damage if it goes wrong.
A manager like Frank can come in and have a go, and be subsequently sacked if needed if/when an upgrade comes along and I doubt would demand the entire club is structured to his wishes. Someone like Ashworth would still retain power with Frank being a fairly seamlessly replaceable piece if he doesn’t perform.
A manager like Frank can come in and have a go, and be subsequently sacked if needed if/when an upgrade comes along and I doubt would demand the entire club is structured to his wishes. Someone like Ashworth would still retain power with Frank being a fairly seamlessly replaceable piece if he doesn’t perform.
Think it's harsh to say how low you've fallen that he's mentioned. I think realistically the managerial market currently is a bit stale and strange. Either the top guys are at top clubs (Pep, Klopp, Ancelotti, Alonso etc.) or have indicated they're staying/taking time out and the upcoming/ex very good managers are in a transition period of rising/falling e.g. Mourinho on the fall and someone like Motta on the up.
I think it's the type of market where you need to predict the next big thing or the guy that can make that step up...and I think Frank could be one of those.
I don't necessary think it needs to be massive. Self confidence helps but it needs to come from a solid foundation. He's done great with Brentford but the step up to a club like Utd is massive and I think once he realises he's out of his depth he might lost that confidence.
Even ETH who has managed in a CL Semi and won multiple leagues and cups said you don't realise the scale of Utd til you join.
Sounds perfect tbf
Good post.
There is a sense of realism to consider, and this would be such a massive step up for him. But I do like his work, definitely, although this season was a bit of a worry..Brentford were poor for a bit, not so impressive. But, but... he will be stepping up to a larger club soon, that's inevitable. And he deserves a go at a bigger club.
Of course he is way ahead of Potter (just forget Southgate OK.. ).
Not sure he would be right for us. Maybe too much for him, right now. No shame in that.
We beat them 1-3 (I think) away from home a couple years back and he behaved like a petulant 5 year old in the post match press conference and I've basically thought very little of him ever since.
He's been whiny prick in the past when we've beat Brentford.
Not against the idea. I like that he’s flexible in his tactics. He spoke in the video clip about having tools to change games up when necessary. Certainly beats ETH and his one tactic.
has done well on limited sources so knows how to build a squad. Perhaps that’s a key point. Clubs are going to have to move away from over spending and staying within their limits so actual coaching and developing players will also be key.
perhaps he may be seen as someone that they can work with in building a good squad and stabilising things before moving onto a new coach to go to the next level?
has done well on limited sources so knows how to build a squad. Perhaps that’s a key point. Clubs are going to have to move away from over spending and staying within their limits so actual coaching and developing players will also be key.
perhaps he may be seen as someone that they can work with in building a good squad and stabilising things before moving onto a new coach to go to the next level?
Oh no, he whines. How would we ever cope.
People calling him arrogant, I presume they’d still take Klopp in a heartbeat?