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No Kevin Owens, possibly no Jericho. The two guys that held that shite together. Charlotte will be a big loss. Leaner is a part timer, so their main belt isn't even on the show. And personally, Rusev will be a big miss along with Sammy Zane.

Rusev hasn't done anything.

Finn Balor has returned. Demon Balor vs Wyatt could be interesting if booked properly. They also have Samoa Joe. Strowman is getting better. He could perhaps have a feud with Wyatt too.

Then you have the Miz. They could also turn Ambrose heel as he badly needs to.

Hardy Boyz are back so tag team division will be more interesting.

Charlotte needed to move on. She feuded with nearly everyone on Raw. It also allows Sasha to turn heel.
 
So much for the new Triple H stable with Kevin Owens and Samoa Joe. Agree with the beard, he definitely needs it.
Charlotte should hopefully be good on Smackdown, but hopefully they don't just hand her the title for a long time.
 
Rusev hasn't done anything.

Finn Balor has returned. Demon Balor vs Wyatt could be interesting if booked properly. They also have Samoa Joe. Strowman is getting better. He could perhaps have a feud with Wyatt too.

Then you have the Miz. They could also turn Ambrose heel as he badly needs to.

Hardy Boyz are back so tag team division will be more interesting.

Charlotte needed to move on. She feuded with nearly everyone on Raw. It also allows Sasha to turn heel.
I'm talking about RAW getting worse than SD AFTER the shuffle. Balor, Hardy Boyz, Samoa Joe and Strowman were already there, they didn't gain them.

Rusev hasn't done anything on RAW in ages but I think that's down to booking issues. He has the charaisma, look and wrestling ability to easily hang with the main eventers in my opinion, so hopefully we'll see that on SD.

Balor vs. Wyatt could and should be good but I don't trust WWE creative with Wyatt... they just don't know what to do with him and when he loses to Balor (we all know he will), he will look even more stupid. Can't take him seriously at all.

Miz and Ambrose are good additions, let's just hope they don't get lost in the already stacked show. I agree Charlotte moving from RAW gives the women's division some much needed freshness BUT she'll also strengthen SD in a big way.
 
So Balor suffered a concussion on RAW.

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inb4 Balor isn't main event material because he's injury prone.

Being injured from mistakes by other wrestlers doesn't mean you're injury prone. If Mahal hits anyone else with such a stiff shot they'd also be legit hurt.
 
Jinder needs to go back to developmental. He's as stiff as feck and is going to seriously hurt someone.
 
I really don't know how this WWE wellness policy works.

The ripped and shredded look that Jinder has is more than achievable via diet and lots of hard work in the gym.

What isn't achievable naturally is the size that the dude has gained over such a small period of time.

Factor in the ridiculous travelling schedule (probably on the road 300 days a year) he has,and I'd put money on him using steroids to achieve his current look.
 
Just caught up on the Strowman beatdown of Reigns. Funny stuff, a real throwback feel to it. The stretcher being chucked off the ledge was a real shock!

Kinda wanted to see this...
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I really don't know how this WWE wellness policy works.

The ripped and shredded look that Jinder has is more than achievable via diet and lots of hard work in the gym.

What isn't achievable naturally is the size that the dude has gained over such a small period of time.

Factor in the ridiculous travelling schedule (probably on the road 300 days a year) he has,and I'd put money on him using steroids to achieve his current look.
It doesn't.

Fail the test and main event Wrestlemania just a few months later .

Vince only bothered with it to cut the heat down after Benoit killed his family.
 
It doesn't.

Fail the test and main event Wrestlemania just a few months later .

Vince only bothered with it to cut the heat down after Benoit killed his family.

He got suspended for 30 days, dropped the title, and hasn't picked it up since. I'm not sure what Reigns performing nearly a year later has to do with anything, but I guess people like to have a pop at him at any opportunity.

I know people are cynical about the wellness policy, but they do appear to be making steps in the right direction with it, albeit slow ones. Same goes with their response to head injuries. If you want to pick holes in it, look at the likes of Lesnar very publically failing a UFC test then performing at Summerslam a few weeks later, and now picking up one of the top titles.
 
He got suspended for 30 days, dropped the title, and hasn't picked it up since. I'm not sure what Reigns performing nearly a year later has to do with anything, but I guess people like to have a pop at him at any opportunity.
He means Lesnar who go done for them(by the UFC/USADA) but got off with the WWE on the part timer clause.

EDIT: I should have read the other half of your post, ffs.
 
He got suspended for 30 days, dropped the title, and hasn't picked it up since. I'm not sure what Reigns performing nearly a year later has to do with anything, but I guess people like to have a pop at him at any opportunity.

I know people are cynical about the wellness policy, but they do appear to be making steps in the right direction with it, albeit slow ones. Same goes with their response to head injuries. If you want to pick holes in it, look at the likes of Lesnar very publically failing a UFC test then performing at Summerslam a few weeks later, and now picking up one of the top titles.

The wellness policy is a load of crap when it comes to steroids. Absolute no consistency at all. John Cena and Triple H have used pretty much all their careers and Brock even tested positive for it in ufc yet they are immune from being tested in WWE it seems. In fact when the WWE were trying to get Scott Steiner out of the door they tried to get him out by making him fail the wellness test for steroids. Steiner said he would take the test if Triple H did. Funny they never tested him after that.
 
The wellness policy is a load of crap when it comes to steroids. Absolute no consistency at all. John Cena and Triple H have used pretty much all their careers and Brock even tested positive for it in ufc yet they are immune from being tested in WWE it seems. In fact when the WWE were trying to get Scott Steiner out of the door they tried to get him out by making him fail the wellness test for steroids. Steiner said he would take the test if Triple H did. Funny they never tested him after that.

It's not a load of crap when it comes to steroids, it's a load of crap when it come to dealing with part-time performers. You can't throw up something from over a decade ago in relation to the current Wellness Policy because it's not the same anymore.

However, I understand the difficulty with dealing with the part-timers, but I do agree that they need to find some sort of solution to it because long-term it doesn't do the company or the individuals involved any good.
 
He got suspended for 30 days, dropped the title, and hasn't picked it up since. I'm not sure what Reigns performing nearly a year later has to do with anything, but I guess people like to have a pop at him at any opportunity.

I know people are cynical about the wellness policy, but they do appear to be making steps in the right direction with it, albeit slow ones. Same goes with their response to head injuries. If you want to pick holes in it, look at the likes of Lesnar very publically failing a UFC test then performing at Summerslam a few weeks later, and now picking up one of the top titles.
Beating and ending the Undertakers career exceeds any Universal title reign.

And the planning of that will have happened months ago. So no serious punishment did take place.

The serious punishments for the violations of the policy only apply seriously to midcarders. Look at William Regal for example and compare the two.
 
Beating and ending the Undertakers career exceeds any Universal title reign.

And the planning of that will have happened months ago. So no serious punishment did take place.

The serious punishments for the violations of the policy only apply seriously to midcarders. Look at William Regal for example and compare the two.

Regal who's been out of the ring for how long now?

I fully accept it's not as good at it can be, but the fact they did anything about Reigns' violation, and did so very publicly is a step in the right direction, especially given his position in the company.

He served a 30 day suspension, dropped his title, and has been kept out of the picture for the top title for the best part of a year. They could have easily stuck the title on him prior to 'Mania, had The Undertaker win the Rumble and then Reigns beat him in a title vs career match. As it was they had a boundary dispute.

What exactly do you think would have been fair, given that a) it was his first violation and b) happened a good 9 months prior to Wrestlemania?
 
Regal who's been out of the ring for how long now?

I fully accept it's not as good at it can be, but the fact they did anything about Reigns' violation, and did so very publicly is a step in the right direction, especially given his position in the company.

He served a 30 day suspension, dropped his title, and has been kept out of the picture for the top title for the best part of a year. They could have easily stuck the title on him prior to 'Mania, had The Undertaker win the Rumble and then Reigns beat him in a title vs career match. As it was they had a boundary dispute.

What exactly do you think would have been fair, given that a) it was his first violation and b) happened a good 9 months prior to Wrestlemania?
He can still kick out of a shotgun to the face. That needs to stop.
 
Regal who's been out of the ring for how long now?

I fully accept it's not as good at it can be, but the fact they did anything about Reigns' violation, and did so very publicly is a step in the right direction, especially given his position in the company.

He served a 30 day suspension, dropped his title, and has been kept out of the picture for the top title for the best part of a year. They could have easily stuck the title on him prior to 'Mania, had The Undertaker win the Rumble and then Reigns beat him in a title vs career match. As it was they had a boundary dispute.

What exactly do you think would have been fair, given that a) it was his first violation and b) happened a good 9 months prior to Wrestlemania?
I'm talking about his wellness violation during his King Regal phase. Was all set for a world title reign until then.

You don't reward him with one of the greatest spots in Wrestling history for one. An upper midcard feud would have been sufficient. And have him work himself up like anyone else. This was just a slap on the wrist.
 
I'm talking about his wellness violation during his King Regal phase. Was all set for a world title reign until then.

You don't reward him with one of the greatest spots in Wrestling history for one. An upper midcard feud would have been sufficient. And have him work himself up like anyone else. This was just a slap on the wrist.

So something from near a decade ago then?

An upper-midcard feud such as a prolonged rivalry with first Rusev and then a shorter one with Chris Jericho for the US Title?

I'm really struggling to discern what you think they should have done. You say it was a slap on the wrist, but he lost his title, served a 30 day suspension, lost multiple matches on his return, spent months in the mid-card, and further months completely out of the title picture.

It'd been very easy for them to have done nothing. It'd have been very easy for them to give him a suspension on the sly and act like nothing was amiss. It'd have been very easy for them to suspend him and have him return right at the top of the card.

As it was, they very publicly acknowledged his violation (going as far as to call it an embarrassment to RAW), suspended him for a month and immediately removed him from the picture in regards to the top title, had him return in the mid-card and feud for the mid-card title, and then 9 months later have him in a non-title match against The Undertaker at Wrestlemania, the first real main event action he'd seen since he dropped the title at MitB the previous June.

The guy is one of their biggest draws, his merchandise sells more than anyone on else on the roster (exc. Cena), and is routinely praised by his colleagues for being an excellent in-ring performer and backstage presence.

Again, it was his first violation, and may have been for something as small as taking sudafed without getting the okay from WWE doctors first. I know people don't like Reigns (although I don't quite understand why), but highlighting his career post-suspension as an example of the wellness policy not working just stinks of a dislike of him rather than any reasoned criticism of the policy and its application.

As I said, if you want to criticise it, the most obvious target is the application (or lack thereof) to part-time performers.

Might be worth remembering that this whole discussion started because people think Jobber-to-the-Stars, Jinder "Stiffy" Mahal has been on the steroids.
 
Everyone is kicking out of multiple finishers nowadays. Why do people make out this is something exclusive to Reigns?
Except the 2on1 match against JeriKO, I've never seen him lose clean... Not once. Seen Cena, AJ, Braun, Jericho, KO, Ambrose, Miz, Orton, Wyatt, Undertaker, HHH, Rollins etc all lose clean... But not Roman.
 
Except the 2on1 match against JeriKO, I've never seen him lose clean... Not once. Seen Cena, AJ, Braun, Jericho, KO, Ambrose, Miz, Orton, Wyatt, Undertaker, HHH, Rollins etc all lose clean... But not Roman.

He lost clean to Rollins and Balor last year.
 
Must have been before my time because i haven't seen him lose clean at all

He went on a sort of losing run after his suspension that basically ended his involvement in top title feuds. He had a rematch for his dropped title which was the triple threat i referred to, and made up the numbers alongside big cass in an elimination match for the universal title after Balor had to give it up, but that match was all about Owens/Rollins/HHH
 
Not really. Roman's Spear, Deans Dirty Deeds are both very protected for example. Triple H took one Pedigree from Seth I believe.

Reigns hit multiple spears and multiple superman punches on 'Taker and ended up having to do some rope-bounce, super-charged spear to put him away.

HHH and Rollins also involved chairs, tables and a sledgehammer.
 
He went on a sort of losing run after his suspension that basically ended his involvement in top title feuds. He had a rematch for his dropped title which was the triple threat i referred to, and made up the numbers alongside big cass in an elimination match for the universal title after Balor had to give it up, but that match was all about Owens/Rollins/HHH


He lost a couple of matches but he was still the focus of the show. He quickly picked up the US title and would close out most RAW's in and around the main event/main storyline. He didn't win the rumble but he was still the main focus, he had a match earlier in the night and still managed to come out at #30 to 'steal the spotlight'

Win or lose it's stilll catered around making Roman the main guy, Broc's only carrying the belt until Roman takes it off him probably at Summerslam. He could be a tag champion and the weekly main event would be a tag match, it doesn't matter where he's ranked on the card he's the main guy regardless.


The time that really annoys me is when Roman faced AJ last year (can't remember which ppv) and AJ literally hit him with everything (10 chair shots, Forearm and styles clash plus interferance from the club) and stlll lost :lol: made super Cena look weak.
 
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So something from near a decade ago then?

An upper-midcard feud such as a prolonged rivalry with first Rusev and then a shorter one with Chris Jericho for the US Title?

I'm really struggling to discern what you think they should have done. You say it was a slap on the wrist, but he lost his title, served a 30 day suspension, lost multiple matches on his return, spent months in the mid-card, and further months completely out of the title picture.

It'd been very easy for them to have done nothing. It'd have been very easy for them to give him a suspension on the sly and act like nothing was amiss. It'd have been very easy for them to suspend him and have him return right at the top of the card.

As it was, they very publicly acknowledged his violation (going as far as to call it an embarrassment to RAW), suspended him for a month and immediately removed him from the picture in regards to the top title, had him return in the mid-card and feud for the mid-card title, and then 9 months later have him in a non-title match against The Undertaker at Wrestlemania, the first real main event action he'd seen since he dropped the title at MitB the previous June.

The guy is one of their biggest draws, his merchandise sells more than anyone on else on the roster (exc. Cena), and is routinely praised by his colleagues for being an excellent in-ring performer and backstage presence.

Again, it was his first violation, and may have been for something as small as taking sudafed without getting the okay from WWE doctors first. I know people don't like Reigns (although I don't quite understand why), but highlighting his career post-suspension as an example of the wellness policy not working just stinks of a dislike of him rather than any reasoned criticism of the policy and its application.

As I said, if you want to criticise it, the most obvious target is the application (or lack thereof) to part-time performers.

Might be worth remembering that this whole discussion started because people think Jobber-to-the-Stars, Jinder "Stiffy" Mahal has been on the steroids.

So what's your explanation on Cena avoiding the wellness testing then? And don't even say he is not taking. I've been around the bodybuilding industry for enough years to know that he is a definite user.

And regarding Jinder, you don't think he is using either? If you don't you are seriously naive mate.
 
So what's your explanation on Cena avoiding the wellness testing then? And don't even say he is not taking. I've been around the bodybuilding industry for enough years to know that he is a definite user.

And regarding Jinder, you don't think he is using either? If you don't you are seriously naive mate.

I think there's a pretty decent chance that Cena's been taking for a long while but got away with it because testing wasn't as rigorous, particularly not with the top stars, and now it is getting more rigorous, he's gone part-time and thus isn't tested.

As for Jinder, I never said he wasn't taking, but I remember so little about him from before that I also can't say with any certainty if there has been a change in his physique as noticeable as people are saying. However, given they suspended the man widely acknowledged to be their new top guy, I imagine they'd have no issue throwing the book at Jinder, a literal jobber, if he was using, particularly when he's stiffing top talent and injuring them.

He lost a couple of matches but he was still the focus of the show. He quickly picked up the US title and would close out most RAW's in and around the main event/main storyline. He didn't win the rumble but he was still the main focus, he had a match earlier in the night and still managed to come out at #30 to 'steal the spotlight'

Win or lose it's stilll catered around making Roman the main guy, Broc's only carrying the belt until Roman takes it off him probably at Summerslam. He could be a tag champion and the weekly main event would be a tag match, it doesn't matter where he's ranked on the card he's the main guy regardless.


The time that really annoys me is when Roman faced AJ last year (can't remember which ppv) and AJ literally hit him with everything (10 chair shots, Forearm and styles clash plus interferance from the club) and stlll lost :lol: made super Cena look weak.

Roman's feud with AJ was a trade of stupid hits. AJ got clocked by multiple finishers, weapons and got attacked by The Usos and kept going, but someone had to win so they pushed the guy they've picked as the new face of the brand. It's such one-sided, blinkered view that Reigns is the only one winning after taking these hits. AJ took literally every move in Cena's arsenal, including some that weren't, and still came out on top, but no one mentions that because he's well liked. Rollins came out with one leg against HHH, took further leg punishment, yet still won.

I'm not trying to argue that Roman doesn't get pushed to high heavens, because he does, but 1) any anger in that regard should be directed to the show runners, which simply doesn't happen, and instead you've got the same people who absolutely adore hating on Reigns literally bowing down when Vince makes an entrance, and 2) they could have easily swept his violation under the rug and kept him at the top all year, but they didn't. He was kept as a main part of shows because he's a big draw and good in-ring worker. The fact still remains that he dropped his title, took the pin in the rematch, lost more times in the run up to the inaugural UT match, then was chucked into an elimination match alongside Big Cass to make up the numbers in a match centered around Kevin Owens, Seth Rollins and HHH.

At the end of the day, WWE is not a competitive environment and any and all testing is done purely on a wellness basis. Any decision they make regarding talent is of course going to be dictated by what they bring to the WWE as a business, so by default their top talent is going to be given a bit more leniency than talent lower down the card. It's pretty much widely accepted that Angle was let go because of his addiction to painkillers, something TNA didn't give a toss about, and also that Jeff Hardy was let go because of his drug trouble. Even when they've not really been too hot on dealing with wellness violations, they've still washed their hands of top talent when it's gone too far.

My point was, and is, that the witch hunt for Reigns and his one wellness policy violation does not stem from any genuine concern for how the wellness policy is applied to WWE talent, but instead from the ridiculous hate directed in Reigns' direction. The man has been given one of the biggest pushes ever, that is undeniable, and I can fully understand why people would be unhappy with that, but to accept that WWE is a scripted wrestling show and then direct all anger towards the guy being pushed, rather than the people scripting it is just daft. It'd be like kicking off at the kid who plays Bobby Beale on Eastenders because you didn't think he should have been the main part of a storyline. It's entirely misdirected.
 
Bobby Beale sucks. Little cnut should've been nowhere near that storyline. I've heard Phil Mitchell writes his scripts too.
 
Except the 2on1 match against JeriKO, I've never seen him lose clean... Not once. Seen Cena, AJ, Braun, Jericho, KO, Ambrose, Miz, Orton, Wyatt, Undertaker, HHH, Rollins etc all lose clean... But not Roman.

Just to reinforce your point, rumours are that he is going to lose to Braun at the next PPV, but it won't be a clean win to protect Roman in the long run.

It's shit like this with their booking that will just make the fans boo him even more.
 
Just to change the subject a little, Who do people reckon would be the best fighter of all of WWE had a real life brawl?

Excluding Brock.
 
Just to reinforce your point, rumours are that he is going to lose to Braun at the next PPV, but it won't be a clean win to protect Roman in the long run.

It's shit like this with their booking that will just make the fans boo him even more.

So booked like every top face in every promotion ever? How often did John Cena lose clean? Or The Rock? Or Steve Austin? Or Hulk Hogan? Or Bruno's Sammartino? Or Antonio Inoki? Or Kenta Kobashi? Or Big Daddy? Or Kazuchika Okada?
 
Just to reinforce your point, rumours are that he is going to lose to Braun at the next PPV, but it won't be a clean win to protect Roman in the long run.

It's shit like this with their booking that will just make the fans boo him even more.

But this is exactly what happens to the top face, and booing him is exactly what they want you to do. Any reaction is a good reaction, and as long as the first note of his entrance music is still sending the crowd into a frenzy, they'll keep him at the top.

I imagine there's a huge crossover between the people who get incredibly pissed off at the booking of Reigns/Cena, but harp on about Styles being the best in the business and being wasted in defeat.