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I actually thought it was intentional that the WWE wanted us/Cena to point that out. Hmmmm...
What's this about 'wrist notes'? The Rock, arguably the greatest entertainer and talker in the WWE history has to resort to writing notes on his wrist to remember promos? If this is true, I shake my head.
But, why would The Rock wear a sleeveless shirt with words blatantly wrote on his wrist for millions to see? Why would he put himself in that position of embarrassment? I've never seen Rock before with words wrote on his wrists. Were they put there on purpose specificially for this 'feud' and as ammunition for Cena's character, or were they actually there for real?
Do John Cena and Dwayne Johnson really hate each other? There seems to be some venom in their promos which suggest that yes they don't really see eye to eye. I haven't seen the segment yet, but everything I've read about it suggests that The Rock was genuinely taken back by Cena's comment about the wrist notes, and that The Rock was pacing and stumbling over his words he was that angry.
But, why would The Rock wear a sleeveless shirt with words blatantly wrote on his wrist for millions to see? Why would he put himself in that position of embarrassment? I've never seen Rock before with words wrote on his wrists. Were they put there on purpose specificially for this 'feud' and as ammunition for Cena's character, or were they actually there for real?
Do John Cena and Dwayne Johnson really hate each other? There seems to be some venom in their promos which suggest that yes they don't really see eye to eye. I haven't seen the segment yet, but everything I've read about it suggests that The Rock was genuinely taken back by Cena's comment about the wrist notes, and that The Rock was pacing and stumbling over his words he was that angry.
Why?? What's so terrible about having bullet points (3 or 4 one or two word bullet points if you believe reports) on your wrist for a 20minute long promo?? Especially when you haven't delivered one live in months?
Why is that any different to Cena memorizing his promo's word for word (which he clearly has done in the past)? Sure it looks a bit untidy, but is it really that bigger deal?
This did make me wonder though... did seem a little bit contrived.
As this is wrestling, my first reaction is to think that this is a work. Rock did seem very rattled by the comment... but then Rock is an actor, and a fairly decent one at that... it's not beyond the realms of possibility that he played up on it. I'm still not sure though...
And I don't think Cena and Rock actually hate each other, this is only Wrestling afterall.
tbh, when he was showing his wrist at the start of the promo I thought he was implying Cena talked from notes....then he said he had goosebumps -_-
In terms of Kane, I could see him maybe going into a tag match as "someone who doesn't need a partner", but just with the Miz's promo last night it seems he is looking for ways to get on the card and he may exploit Kane to try and gain Tag Team gold, such as he did with Big Show.
Agree around Orton, he needs to be in the match badly. By the looks of it, he faces Bryan on SD! this week so it may be a stip is added that he beats Bryan he is added to the WM match. Totally agree this match needs to gather some momentum.
In terms of the Rock, I think it was a work to have that written on his arm. I don't think even Cena would have got away with saying that without it being preplanned. I think this will play into the whole "Cena's here all the time, Rock's not and he is rusty, Rock is a let down..." storyline.
Agree around Orton, he needs to be in the match badly. By the looks of it, he faces Bryan on SD! this week so it may be a stip is added that he beats Bryan he is added to the WM match. Totally agree this match needs to gather some momentum.
In terms of the Rock, I think it was a work to have that written on his arm. I don't think even Cena would have got away with saying that without it being preplanned. I think this will play into the whole "Cena's here all the time, Rock's not and he is rusty, Rock is a let down..." storyline.
Cena has been quite brilliant on mic for the past two weeks, good to see.
Quite a few WWE wrestlers haven't gotten along in the past. It's no secret Bret Hart & Shawn Michaels hated each other years ago. Also Batista and Booker T didn't really see eye to eye. And also Kurt Angle had a run-in with Eddie Guerrero one time. Just because wrestling is scripted doesn't mean they all get along in real life.
Well obviously, it's like any work place... in any given large company, certain people arn't going to get along with each other.
But... "hate" is a very strong word... hate would imply that these guys actually wan't to damage each others reputation, or physically, and I can't see that being the case between Cena and Rock. They may not be best mates, but I'd be suprised if they actually hated each other.
As I say, there are some exceptions, Hart and Michaels is well documented, Batista and Booker T actually had a scrap at a Summerslam promo event (as Batista was acting too big for his boots apparently)... but yeah, "hate" is a very strong word, so I wouldn't be overly keen to brand it around, especially in the world of wrestling.
You could also add Balls Mahoney and JBL to that list... definitely some hate there.
I do think Cena genuinely has a gripe though with The Rock for leaving the WWE to pursue a career in Hollywood. Several years ago, he criticised The Rock in an interview for it. I believe now they are using Cena's genuine words and thoughts as a foundation for this feud.
It's building the whole thing up great, but I do think The Rock needs to cut out the boots to asses shit, and the lame kong pow crap (or whatever it was he said). I'd love The Rock to come out at Wrestlemania with one of his old themes, and give it attitude like back when he was in the Nation.
The opening of RAW was great. The Jericho/Punk promo, then the Punk/Bryan match (including the chaos afterwards).
The Miz promo looked like it was going to be great. When he said "nobody works harder than me," I sort of leaned forward expecting something special, but then his promo ended up being...good, but not great.
Tag match was great. Although, if the Usos had been there too then I think that might have been WWE's entire tag team division. Hopefully someone in the offices saw that match, and thought "hey, this tag team wrestling thing might catch on." The Kane thing after that match might have worked better, if he hadn't been made to look like a complete fool over the last month.
The Rock promo...well...it was like a highlight reel of the worst chants in WWE history. Boots to Asses, Kung Pao Bitch, Lady Parts, Fruity Pebbles, it's the sort of thing you'd hear on the playground. His whole speech about how he had to work to earn what he's got, and Cena didn't...um, you were pushed to the moon from the day you were Rocky Maivia, you buffoon.
Cena's out there for a few minutes, makes the Rock look like a prat, and leaves. Brilliant.
The Miz promo looked like it was going to be great. When he said "nobody works harder than me," I sort of leaned forward expecting something special, but then his promo ended up being...good, but not great.
Tag match was great. Although, if the Usos had been there too then I think that might have been WWE's entire tag team division. Hopefully someone in the offices saw that match, and thought "hey, this tag team wrestling thing might catch on." The Kane thing after that match might have worked better, if he hadn't been made to look like a complete fool over the last month.
The Rock promo...well...it was like a highlight reel of the worst chants in WWE history. Boots to Asses, Kung Pao Bitch, Lady Parts, Fruity Pebbles, it's the sort of thing you'd hear on the playground. His whole speech about how he had to work to earn what he's got, and Cena didn't...um, you were pushed to the moon from the day you were Rocky Maivia, you buffoon.
Cena's out there for a few minutes, makes the Rock look like a prat, and leaves. Brilliant.
That is a name Ive not heard for many a year. I loved Balls in ECW.
Is he in WWE nowadays? If so I bet they ruined him
I think he was in WWE briefly between 06 and 07/08. Had a small feud with Matt Striker, and something happened between him and Kelly Kelly Kelly Kelly Kelly that I can vaguely remember, and then either he left or they let him go.
Nah, he was back in WWE around the two ECW One Night Stand PPVs (2005/2006) and for a year or two after... but apart from those shows, he wasn't really used properly, or even taken very seriously at all... so yeah, they basically ruined him.
No clue where he is nowadays, probably on the independent circuit.
Another good RAW this week.
To add to the Cena/Rock debate, I felt that Dwayne was genuinely taken aback by Cena's words. He's not THAT great of an actor. The best thing about this feud is that it has people questioning whether it's real or not, or at least a portion of it. That is bringing pro wrestling back to the good ol' days. It was the same with the CM Punk walking out storyline last year. Absolutely brilliant because there was an element of truth in what he was saying and what he did but how much is to be debated.
Triple Threat tag match was a nice idea, but they should really give the US Championship to someone who will actually do something with it.
Punk/Jericho promo was the best thing I've seen in ages (despite Punk stumbling a couple of his words). Hope there's more of that to come!
I would like to bang Rosa Mendes, that is all.
To add to the Cena/Rock debate, I felt that Dwayne was genuinely taken aback by Cena's words. He's not THAT great of an actor. The best thing about this feud is that it has people questioning whether it's real or not, or at least a portion of it. That is bringing pro wrestling back to the good ol' days. It was the same with the CM Punk walking out storyline last year. Absolutely brilliant because there was an element of truth in what he was saying and what he did but how much is to be debated.
Triple Threat tag match was a nice idea, but they should really give the US Championship to someone who will actually do something with it.
Punk/Jericho promo was the best thing I've seen in ages (despite Punk stumbling a couple of his words). Hope there's more of that to come!
I would like to bang Rosa Mendes, that is all.
One of my favourite ever events was an ECW PPV (in 99 I think) Balls Mahoney vs Masato Tanaka was the opener. It was nuts
I fecking love Triple H.
I fecking love that gif.
Whats great about that Rock/Cena segment is that now everyone is wondering whether it was a work or not, just what the WWE want. My instinct tells me its a work but then The Rock's reaction looked "real". I dunno but it's good anyway. Before that though I thought the Rock was stinking the place up again.
Kung pow chicken, really? really? really? and these nonce's in the crowd lapping up this shit, laughable. I thought Cena was meant to have the gullible and naive fanbase. Boots to asses may be the lamest thing in decades and this constant "trending on twitter" business, bollocks. Thankfully Cena buried the whole Twitter thing when he said "carry on, continue trending" than through the mic down.
Also did anyone catch John Lauranaitis at ringside in the kerfuffle with Teddy Long?
He shouted 'YOU'RE feckING EVERYTHING UP!!' to Teddy and the camera quickly cut to CM Punk
He shouted 'YOU'RE feckING EVERYTHING UP!!' to Teddy and the camera quickly cut to CM Punk
Just watched the segment. The Rock really needs to let these lame, corny catchphrases go - fruity pepples, boots to asses, kong pow chicken/bitch, missing balls etc. That's corny Rock, and please stop with the trending!
I want The Rock from the attitude era, I want The Rock who was in the Nation. Hell I would even take Hollywood Rock from 2003 right now.
Those notes on the wrist were clearly a work, The Rock has never had to write notes on his hands or wrists before in his whole life. It's clearly part of the feud, trying to make it real as possible.
I want The Rock from the attitude era, I want The Rock who was in the Nation. Hell I would even take Hollywood Rock from 2003 right now.
Those notes on the wrist were clearly a work, The Rock has never had to write notes on his hands or wrists before in his whole life. It's clearly part of the feud, trying to make it real as possible.
I hate The Rock for making me feel like I should be on Cena's side right now. That's how lame that promo felt to me. He's turned himself from an entertainer into a catchphrase machine gimmick. He might as well have done that promo via satellite. Every time he shows up, we get a show riddled with commercials only for him to do a little bit of posturing at the end, but we put up with it, because he's The Rock and cuts a better promo than anyone else to ever grace the business. But if he can't even do that anymore, what's the point? If it's to put Cena over, it's not working for me. It just makes me want the whole thing to just go away.
Is it me or has The Miz got a face like he's always straining to do a shit!
That's because he's not The Rock anymore. He's Dwwwaaaayyynnnneeeee.
Thing is though, amongst all the catchphrases (which I didn't overly mind) and the twitter bullshit (which I did mind... but I blame Vince as much as I blame Rock for that)... he actually had a really good line when he talked about how, when he was a face and was booed by the crowd, that Stone Cold, Triple H, Macho Man, and Roddy Piper didn't fight for him, and he fights for the people, as opposed to the "guys in the back" ... and then the crack about him being innovative and Cena changing his shorts. Unfortunately that took up about a minute of his promo. If he had concentrated more on that kinda stuff and less on the other stuff, it would have been much better.
Regardless... best line of the night went to CM Punk, for his "All the while, I'm here, swimming with sharks, while you're dancing with stars." line to Jericho. Had a good ring to it.
Regardless... best line of the night went to CM Punk, for his "All the while, I'm here, swimming with sharks, while you're dancing with stars." line to Jericho. Had a good ring to it.
Agreed.
Going back to Triple H briefly... does anyone remember when he destroyed half of the tag division (including the champs) in a single 10 minutes of RAW?? (here's a video for those that care, catch it around the 4:45 minute mark)
He beat Cade and Murdoch in a handicap match, Took out Carlito, before giving the Pedigree to Tag Champs London and Kendrick... (who had just come in to help him out a minute prior) for no apparent reason.
Now that my friends, is how a real burial is done.
He beat Cade and Murdoch in a handicap match, Took out Carlito, before giving the Pedigree to Tag Champs London and Kendrick... (who had just come in to help him out a minute prior) for no apparent reason.
Now that my friends, is how a real burial is done.
I went to a RAW show that had DX vs. the ENTIRE TAG TEAM DIVISION.
Guess who won that.
Guess who won that.
Triple H has had some epic burials. I remember when he buried Booker on the mic, saying he was wcw champ but so was david arquette, booker wasnt on his level...
Then it came to WM, you're thinking heres where Booker proves him wrong but... nope, HHH wins and shows Booker T isnt on his level.
I also liked how he buried the whole roster saying a broomstick has more talent then them and he would get a better match with the broomstick. rofl.
I also liked how Rock had those great promos with Hurricane and then let Hurricane beat him on Raw. Then a week or two later, HHH beats Hurricane for no reason, and then a week or two after that, beats Hurricane and Rosey in a handicap match. lol.
Then it came to WM, you're thinking heres where Booker proves him wrong but... nope, HHH wins and shows Booker T isnt on his level.
I also liked how he buried the whole roster saying a broomstick has more talent then them and he would get a better match with the broomstick. rofl.
I also liked how Rock had those great promos with Hurricane and then let Hurricane beat him on Raw. Then a week or two later, HHH beats Hurricane for no reason, and then a week or two after that, beats Hurricane and Rosey in a handicap match. lol.
I've only watched the Cena/Rock promos from the last couple of weeks, but I think they've been very clever, and it's shown why the two of them are way out ahead of anyone else.
I doubt there's any real venom there, or rather there probably is, but no more so than is common in that kind of environment...but the way the two of them have played it, has you believing they might just genuinely hate each other's guts, and that a fake publicity stunt fight between the two of them would actually be worth a watch.
Cena gets loads of stick but he's very good when he's given an angle to work with, and Rock can carry anything.
The notes thing was obviously a plant, along with the whole Cena fights for the locker room thing. They needed to come up with some angle to stop Cena from being buried before the match even starts...but again, they both carried it off perfectly.
It was a little bit lame when Cena just randomly walked back out of the ring though, but at least he managed to sneak in the word "penis" before doing so, which kind of made up for it.
I doubt there's any real venom there, or rather there probably is, but no more so than is common in that kind of environment...but the way the two of them have played it, has you believing they might just genuinely hate each other's guts, and that a fake publicity stunt fight between the two of them would actually be worth a watch.
Cena gets loads of stick but he's very good when he's given an angle to work with, and Rock can carry anything.
The notes thing was obviously a plant, along with the whole Cena fights for the locker room thing. They needed to come up with some angle to stop Cena from being buried before the match even starts...but again, they both carried it off perfectly.
It was a little bit lame when Cena just randomly walked back out of the ring though, but at least he managed to sneak in the word "penis" before doing so, which kind of made up for it.
That's what made it so bleeding obvious it was a work though. If you genuinely have to sneakily write notes on your wrist, you wouldn't call the camera man over to zoom in on your arm as you fecking point at them.
Just read the Smackdown Spoilers
Looks like we're gonna get Orton vs Kane for WM, thoughts on that?
It's just so random. Waste of a match!
If it ends cleanly either way it buries Kane further after losing to Cena or shows that nobody is up to Cena's level cos Orton has been the 1b to Cena's 1a for a while, and would just show he can't do what Cena could
On yesterday's Guardian Football Weekly Extra, one of the pundits (either Ingle or Ashdown) compared France to Ravishing Rick Rude... in that he looked great and won a a title early on (France 98, Euro 2000 = 1 IC Title), was tipped for great things, but then never really took out and failed to realy find his place in the Wrestling world.
That led to James Richardson asking who England would be as a wrestler, to which the same pundit bizarrely said Ric Flair... (with a basis of "he never really rated him") but as he's a million time world champion, I think we can throw that one out!
So yeah, wrestlers as football teams?? I went with England being the Ultimate Warrior... in that they won the World Title on the Grandest Stage of them all... and ever since believed themselves to be a bigger and better player then they actually are, despite not being very good, and generally despised by all their peers...
Manchester United are of course John Cena. We're on top and everyones sick of us
That led to James Richardson asking who England would be as a wrestler, to which the same pundit bizarrely said Ric Flair... (with a basis of "he never really rated him") but as he's a million time world champion, I think we can throw that one out!
So yeah, wrestlers as football teams?? I went with England being the Ultimate Warrior... in that they won the World Title on the Grandest Stage of them all... and ever since believed themselves to be a bigger and better player then they actually are, despite not being very good, and generally despised by all their peers...
Manchester United are of course John Cena. We're on top and everyones sick of us
England as Kane works too, having 1 world title and often flattering to deceive.
Liverpool as Yoshi. Nobody takes them seriously, they get rolled over every week, and they have shit entrance music.
He's too ethnic to represent Liverpool.
I'd go with Heath Slater... for the exact same reasons.
Everton are Mark Henry... every year they have some sort of push that takes them to the top half, but then they fade back to being shit, midcard filler...
That's a good call actually with Heath Slater, feck he annoys me.