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So do you guys think AJ will be a part of the Balor Club or will he be on his own ?

On another note, i'd imagine WWE are in massive panic mode now with Cena out of the picture (or is he?), they need to go all out. Brock needs to have a huge match, Balor and Joe need to be called up imo.
 
Mania looking sparse. They need to be clever about the booking. Not sure where Taker fits in now as I had him pencilled in to face Cena.
 
Sylar said:
Wait what? Cena is now injured and will miss WM? Apparently.
(I say apparently cos hes superhuman and normally comes back months before - but shoulder surgery is mad)

So WM without Cena, Orton, Rollins and possibly Bryan. (and obviously Cesaro and such) Damn.

Will WWE now plz make some new stars and stop with the part timers.
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I think this is one of the reasons why they've gone after NJPW talent. Hopefully they will debut and Nakamura and Styles and build them strong from the go and not subject them to this shitty 50/50 booking that everyone bar Reigns + Cena are subject to.

Hamadovich86 said:
So do you guys think AJ will be a part of the Balor Club or will he be on his own ?

On another note, i'd imagine WWE are in massive panic mode now with Cena out of the picture (or is he?), they need to go all out. Brock needs to have a huge match, Balor and Joe need to be called up imo.
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Think AJ will be on his own, he'll debut the main roster straight off. Few people said he'll debut at the Rumble.

I think Balor still stay down at NXT for now. From how he's talking in interviews, he doesn't want to move up, he's the locker room leader of NXT, he has a great relationship and works closely with Triple H (Finn is most likely the reason WWE have scouted NJPW), He's the main attraction at NXT and works a lighter schedule. There is no real reason for him to go up. Especially if the Bullet Club comes to NXT... there is at least another year of story for him at NXT.

I would love to see him on the main roster, but concerns are that the casual WWE fan may not get the demon gimmick, he's not the best on the mic and although i think he's great in the ring his moveset is not filled with big moves/spots.. that may put casual fans off him.

I think they need to debut him and the Balor club on NXT, like the Wyatt Family. Get the demon gimmick working within a stable and then move them up to the main roster.
 
Rolandofgilead said:
Who cares? i am so fecking excited.
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Oh as am I!

With Cena injured that means that every champ that came out of WM last year is now out for the long term. Fecking shocking that. Rumble is going to be crucial to get right now before WM. Ultimate fantasybooking without thinking about additional set-up too much

KO eliminates Lesnar from the rumble and wins it, Lesnar wins a #1 contender match on Fastlane -> Owens (c) VS Lesnar for the title
Triple H returns and screws Reigns out of the title, rock gets involved somehow -> Reigns VS Triple H. Special guest ref: The Rock.
AJ appears in the Rumble together with other members of the new Bullet club and get it on with the Wyatts -> Wyatts vs Bullet Club
Demon Fin does something that puts him in a match with Undertaker -> Undertaker VS Finn Balor
Jericho loses in the Rumble and intends to go back to his favourite title and has a match (and unfinished business) with Ambrose -> Ambrose (C) vs Jericho for the title.

Add a big tag team match and maybe one or two more matches and you have a pretty decent lineup I guess?
 
Sylar said:
Wait what? Cena is now injured and will miss WM? Apparently.
(I say apparently cos hes superhuman and normally comes back months before - but shoulder surgery is mad)

So WM without Cena, Orton, Rollins and possibly Bryan. (and obviously Cesaro and such) Damn.

Will WWE now plz make some new stars and stop with the part timers.
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You know it will be the opposite though right, Fill the plug with more part timers :(

If you look at what they could potentially do, They may have to bring in someone like Goldberg for a temporary pop. Or if they really wanted to swing for the fences then steal EC3 from TNA (That is more of a personal wish though).
 
I think they will go for Undertaker vs Roman Reigns

He is the only non injured full timer anywhere close to Cena
 
paceme said:
Supposedly Nakamura has confirmed he's going to WWE in an interview in a newspaper. Not sure on the legitimacy but the pictures on reddit of the article.
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The pictures and article are legit, but that's not quite what he said (from the translation I've seen). He was saying how 'Japan isn't a big enough stage for me, my stage should be worldwide' kinda stuff that the headline writer changed to WWE.

The translation I saw could be wrong, mind. Japanese to English isn't the easiest translation.

Rolandofgilead said:
Bleak? The possibilities are endless with AJ and the like coming in!

@phelans shorts who owns the name 'Bullet club'?

I'm thinking Finn joins them at some point.
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New Japan own the name Bullet Club, but Finn and Karl can prove they came up with it and never got paid for the rights to the name which they should have, so if WWE were to refer to them as such NJPW would be on shaky ground (to my understanding, Law isn't my speciality). I doubt they'd push them as such, but commentary/promo references would be fine.
 
I will add this though, it's pretty hilarious how WWE are hyping the Bullet Club so long after they lost their cool factor. Even more so when you consider they have La Sombra under contract.
 
phelans shorts said:
I will add this though, it's pretty hilarious how WWE are hyping the Bullet Club so long after they lost their cool factor. Even more so when you consider they have La Sombra under contract.
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It makes sense to hype the rumours because clicks is money.

Besides, the thought of seeing them in WWE is making me mark out so actually seeing them there will be immense.
 
Rolandofgilead said:
It makes sense to hype the rumours because clicks is money.

Besides, the thought of seeing them in WWE is making me mark out so actually seeing them there will be immense.
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Oh I fully understand what they're doing, but comparing the Bullet Club to LOS INGOBERNABLES in 2016 is so ridiculously one sided it's untrue in general quality/coolness terms. Bullet Club are heavily reliant on that spell 2/3 years ago when they were very good and hadn't got super repetitive yet.
 
phelans shorts said:
Oh I fully understand what they're doing, but comparing the Bullet Club to LOS INGOBERNABLES in 2016 is so ridiculously one sided it's untrue in general quality/coolness terms. Bullet Club are heavily reliant on that spell 2/3 years ago when they were very good and hadn't got super repetitive yet.
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Well yeah but only yourself and other regular NJPW regular watchers will be aware of that. The draw of these rumours is undoubtedly AJ Styles, who everybody knows and knows how good he is.

I guess what I'm saying is that they will use the draw of the AJ name and the allure of the faction coming from Japan.

As I say, I've watched a good amount of NJPW this past year and I am dead excited at the prospect of seeing the Bullet Club in WWE.
 
Apparently Sasha injured? Not sure how true it is but its online.

So that, added with Nikki being out, (and Konnor, but then again Ascension are jobbers so yeah)...

Madness.
 
Smackdown:
Ultimate proof that WWE is getting ready to strap a (tiny) rocket to Kalisto: Cena is his hypegirl now. How good would a Kalisto/Neville match be though!

Oh my god, that MizTV segment :lol:

Great visual with Charlotte's resting bitch face with the title next to Becky who was casually stretching. I do with they would give Flair a Wooooo Limit.
Good match, nice technical wrestling and Becky really seemed up for it, facial expressions and all.

Hope Orton was watching, 'cause KO did a 2nd rope DDT that made more sense than every single one he ever did. Decent match, bit cheap that it was a double countout though. Brawl was good though, think there will be a final stipulation match if they decide this runs out of steam.

Mauro is great on commentary: I like the fact that he calls out specific moves by their name, adds to the competitive sporting element of the show.
 
phelans shorts said:
I will add this though, it's pretty hilarious how WWE are hyping the Bullet Club so long after they lost their cool factor. Even more so when you consider they have La Sombra under contract.
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La Sombra won't debut anytime soon though, as they want him to speak English. These guys, we'll possibly be seeing them on the run up to and just after Wrestlemania.
 
Mark_GrumpyLion said:
Smackdown:
Ultimate proof that WWE is getting ready to strap a (tiny) rocket to Kalisto: Cena is his hypegirl now. How good would a Kalisto/Neville match be though!

Oh my god, that MizTV segment :lol:

Great visual with Charlotte's resting bitch face with the title next to Becky who was casually stretching. I do with they would give Flair a Wooooo Limit.
Good match, nice technical wrestling and Becky really seemed up for it, facial expressions and all.

Hope Orton was watching, 'cause KO did a 2nd rope DDT that made more sense than every single one he ever did. Decent match, bit cheap that it was a double countout though. Brawl was good though, think there will be a final stipulation match if they decide this runs out of steam.

Mauro is great on commentary: I like the fact that he calls out specific moves by their name, adds to the competitive sporting element of the show.
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I'm a big fan of kalisto tbf though. So I'm happy he's getting this push. Was truly shocked when he beat del Rio. Mauro was fantastic, you can tell he's the sort of commentator who can make a good match seem great.
 
Hal9000 said:
La Sombra won't debut anytime soon though, as they want him to speak English. These guys, we'll possibly be seeing them on the run up to and just after Wrestlemania.
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I know, I'm referring to the gulf in quality between the stables they formed though. La Sombra's stable are now the top heels in 2 promotions, even usurping the Bullet Club in one. Hell the Bullet Club aren't event the best group of gaijin that are joining WWE in the coming months.

As for the Bullet/Balor Club, it's a pretty transparent attempt at stopping Finn from throwing a strop at having to stay in NXT, and everyone will be sick of it by the end of the year. Nailed on.
 
phelans shorts said:
The pictures and article are legit, but that's not quite what he said (from the translation I've seen). He was saying how 'Japan isn't a big enough stage for me, my stage should be worldwide' kinda stuff that the headline writer changed to WWE.

The translation I saw could be wrong, mind. Japanese to English isn't the easiest translation.



New Japan own the name Bullet Club, but Finn and Karl can prove they came up with it and never got paid for the rights to the name which they should have, so if WWE were to refer to them as such NJPW would be on shaky ground (to my understanding, Law isn't my speciality). I doubt they'd push them as such, but commentary/promo references would be fine.
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Ah fair enough. Well I wouldn't be surprised if they try and force it through fast to get him in and established by wrestlemania now with all these injuries.

Anybody see Bryan's tweet yesterday? begging WWE to clear him :lol:
 
paceme said:
I'm a big fan of kalisto tbf though. So I'm happy he's getting this push. Was truly shocked when he beat del Rio. Mauro was fantastic, you can tell he's the sort of commentator who can make a good match seem great.
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Yep, he deserves the shot too. Rumor has it he'll have a title match with Del Rio at the Rumble.

Also: Jordan and Gable are renamed American Alfa.
 
phelans shorts said:
I know, I'm referring to the gulf in quality between the stables they formed though. La Sombra's stable are now the top heels in 2 promotions, even usurping the Bullet Club in one. Hell the Bullet Club aren't event the best group of gaijin that are joining WWE in the coming months.

As for the Bullet/Balor Club, it's a pretty transparent attempt at stopping Finn from throwing a strop at having to stay in NXT, and everyone will be sick of it by the end of the year. Nailed on.
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So whose the other group?

Why would he be having a strop when he wants to be there? As i said he's de facto locker room leader, works closely with Triple H, gets paid stupid money for being in a 'development' promotion and works a lighter schedule and has a lot of influence in NXT.

If he moved up, he gets paid a bit more but just becomes another player.

Personally i think Bullet Club is key for him being successful in the main roster. If he comes up on his own now, he'll be lost in the shuffle.

As for it coming to WWE, it'll be a refresh and a different audience. It's a bit stale in NJPW because it's been going on 3/4 years now?. Stables very rarely last that long in WWE.
 
Hal9000 said:
So whose the other group?

Why would he be having a strop when he wants to be there? As i said he's de facto locker room leader, works closely with Triple H, gets paid stupid money for being in a 'development' promotion and works a lighter schedule and has a lot of influence in NXT.

If he moved up, he gets paid a bit more but just becomes another player.

Personally i think Bullet Club is key for him being successful in the main roster. If he comes up on his own now, he'll be lost in the shuffle.

As for it coming to WWE, it'll be a refresh and a different audience. It's a bit stale in NJPW because it's been going on 3/4 years now?. Stables very rarely last that long in WWE.
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If you believe Balor's interviews then I don't know what to say. He's a total yes man and will never throw anyone under the bus. There's a reason he was always talked about as being a Match of the Day interview. There's a reason he goes to all of the main roster house show circuit when he's given the choice of them vs NXT shows. He's in this game for money and notoriety, he's going to get more of both on Raw, fact. He wants to perform at Wrestlemania he won't do that in NXT.

The stable will fail, it's got a serious lack of quality. What set it apart in Japan was doing stuff that hadn't been seen before like interference and denouncing Japanese, so how do they set themselves apart? Constant interference will just be doing exactly what they Authority do on Raw every week. So then you're left with Finn's wrestling ability (which in WWE has seriously underwhelmed), Karl's ability to talk and the hope that Gallows has stopped being Gallows (he hasn't). That is far too weak be serious on the main roster and too weak to be serious in NXT even, so it is bound to fall apart when it's just getting groans on every show. It's even lacking the guy who actually made the Bullet Club work in Bad Luck Fale, as bad as he is he was the key to them getting over.
 
phelans shorts said:
If you believe Balor's interviews then I don't know what to say. He's a total yes man and will never throw anyone under the bus. There's a reason he was always talked about as being a Match of the Day interview. There's a reason he goes to all of the main roster house show circuit when he's given the choice of them vs NXT shows. He's in this game for money and notoriety, he's going to get more of both on Raw, fact. He wants to perform at Wrestlemania he won't do that in NXT.

The stable will fail, it's got a serious lack of quality. What set it apart in Japan was doing stuff that hadn't been seen before like interference and denouncing Japanese, so how do they set themselves apart? Constant interference will just be doing exactly what they Authority do on Raw every week. So then you're left with Finn's wrestling ability (which in WWE has seriously underwhelmed), Karl's ability to talk and the hope that Gallows has stopped being Gallows (he hasn't). That is far too weak be serious on the main roster and too weak to be serious in NXT even, so it is bound to fall apart when it's just getting groans on every show. It's even lacking the guy who actually made the Bullet Club work in Bad Luck Fale, as bad as he is he was the key to them getting over.
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“I really believe that what we’re doing here in the WWE Performance Center and what we’re doing with NXT is something that’s going to be remembered for years. I feel like to get quote, unquote called up to the main roster would be, maybe, like a step back for my career right now. Obviously, instant gratification, you get called up to the main roster, that’s great, but I think what we’re doing here in NXT will stand longer in history as kind of like a revolutionary period and to kind of pull myself out of that would be detrimental to my career in the long term.”

That's not being a yes man at all... if anything, a "yes man" would say "Oh I'd obviously love to be called up to the WWE main roster... it's the big level etc etc... but I'm happy with being in NXT for the time being".

That answer is way to thought out for a simple "yes man"

I mean, obviously he'd probably be very happy to be called up to the main roster... but I hardly imagine he's pining for it to happen... nor will he be unhappy with his role in NXT as it currently stands.
 
Dont question the man that correctly predicted Charlotte being let go. Jeez...
 
phelans shorts said:
If you believe Balor's interviews then I don't know what to say. He's a total yes man and will never throw anyone under the bus. There's a reason he was always talked about as being a Match of the Day interview. There's a reason he goes to all of the main roster house show circuit when he's given the choice of them vs NXT shows. He's in this game for money and notoriety, he's going to get more of both on Raw, fact. He wants to perform at Wrestlemania he won't do that in NXT.

The stable will fail, it's got a serious lack of quality. What set it apart in Japan was doing stuff that hadn't been seen before like interference and denouncing Japanese, so how do they set themselves apart? Constant interference will just be doing exactly what they Authority do on Raw every week. So then you're left with Finn's wrestling ability (which in WWE has seriously underwhelmed), Karl's ability to talk and the hope that Gallows has stopped being Gallows (he hasn't). That is far too weak be serious on the main roster and too weak to be serious in NXT even, so it is bound to fall apart when it's just getting groans on every show. It's even lacking the guy who actually made the Bullet Club work in Bad Luck Fale, as bad as he is he was the key to them getting over.
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Well because if you listen to his interviews, or read what Regal or Trips and others say about him i don't think he's a yes man.

Also he doesn't do main roster house shows. He's done the two recent european tours, the Australian tour and the Asia tour. It's obvious why he was put on those tours. The only thing he's done for the main roster is a dark match at a Smackdown taping and a some special live shows, where he was against other NXT roster members anyway. Other than that he's been touring with NXT for the last year. http://www.profightdb.com/wrestlers/finn-balor-3023.html Dunno where you got info he skips NXT shows for WWE?...

Ofcourse he wants to be on Raw and Wrestlemania, but again i think he also knows if he stays in NXT as it gets bigger, his name gets bigger and it'll be harder for them to not give him a big push right out the bat. Why jump from NXT, when it's the fastest growing brand in Wrestling at the moment, do get stuck in the shuffle?

As i said, we don't know what they'll do with the Bullet Club, i think it could get a refresh in America. Balor is trusted and is listened to creatively. I think it's going to be used to get Balor onto the main roster and in the upper to upper mid card straight off the bat.

You never said who else is coming to WWE?..
 
I dont know why you lot are getting wound up by a gimmick.

Anyway, did anybody watch the 10th relaunch of TNA? I hear it was a lot of promos :/
 
phelans shorts said:
If you believe Balor's interviews then I don't know what to say. He's a total yes man and will never throw anyone under the bus. There's a reason he was always talked about as being a Match of the Day interview. There's a reason he goes to all of the main roster house show circuit when he's given the choice of them vs NXT shows. He's in this game for money and notoriety, he's going to get more of both on Raw, fact. He wants to perform at Wrestlemania he won't do that in NXT.

The stable will fail, it's got a serious lack of quality. What set it apart in Japan was doing stuff that hadn't been seen before like interference and denouncing Japanese, so how do they set themselves apart? Constant interference will just be doing exactly what they Authority do on Raw every week. So then you're left with Finn's wrestling ability (which in WWE has seriously underwhelmed), Karl's ability to talk and the hope that Gallows has stopped being Gallows (he hasn't). That is far too weak be serious on the main roster and too weak to be serious in NXT even, so it is bound to fall apart when it's just getting groans on every show. It's even lacking the guy who actually made the Bullet Club work in Bad Luck Fale, as bad as he is he was the key to them getting over.
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Fale is rumoured to be negotiating as well.
 
Annihilate Now! said:
“I really believe that what we’re doing here in the WWE Performance Center and what we’re doing with NXT is something that’s going to be remembered for years. I feel like to get quote, unquote called up to the main roster would be, maybe, like a step back for my career right now. Obviously, instant gratification, you get called up to the main roster, that’s great, but I think what we’re doing here in NXT will stand longer in history as kind of like a revolutionary period and to kind of pull myself out of that would be detrimental to my career in the long term.”

That's not being a yes man at all... if anything, a "yes man" would say "Oh I'd obviously love to be called up to the WWE main roster... it's the big level etc etc... but I'm happy with being in NXT for the time being".

That answer is way to thought out for a simple "yes man"

I mean, obviously he'd probably be very happy to be called up to the main roster... but I hardly imagine he's pining for it to happen... nor will he be unhappy with his role in NXT as it currently stands.
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He's the face of NXT, literally, so it is exactly what a yes man would say.

Hal9000 said:
Well because if you listen to his interviews, or read what Regal or Trips and others say about him i don't think he's a yes man.

Also he doesn't do main roster house shows. He's done the two recent european tours, the Australian tour and the Asia tour. It's obvious why he was put on those tours. The only thing he's done for the main roster is a dark match at a Smackdown taping and a some special live shows, where he was against other NXT roster members anyway. Other than that he's been touring with NXT for the last year. http://www.profightdb.com/wrestlers/finn-balor-3023.html Dunno where you got info he skips NXT shows for WWE?...

Ofcourse he wants to be on Raw and Wrestlemania, but again i think he also knows if he stays in NXT as it gets bigger, his name gets bigger and it'll be harder for them to not give him a big push right out the bat. Why jump from NXT, when it's the fastest growing brand in Wrestling at the moment, do get stuck in the shuffle?

As i said, we don't know what they'll do with the Bullet Club, i think it could get a refresh in America. Balor is trusted and is listened to creatively. I think it's going to be used to get Balor onto the main roster and in the upper to upper mid card straight off the bat.

You never said who else is coming to WWE?..
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I was on a break at work so couldn't check Cagematch, fair enough, his attendance has improved a lot since he got the title. There's an NXT backlash coming, he wants to get out while it's on the up before the majority click the poor booking and start to treat it with as critical an eye every other show gets.

As for his spot on the card, he'd be at that level anyway. Someone with his qualities (including his yes man interviews) isn't at the bottom of the card.

Rolandofgilead said:
Fale is rumoured to be negotiating as well.
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Again that point was hindered by my lack of time. Fale was more symbolic in getting them over, he had qualities that nobody in New Japan had. Qualities that in WWE he wouldn't bring, such as notoriety (he was a rugby player who was pretty well known in Japan), his height (at 6"4ish he was a giant there, that's not so big in WWE) and his thickness (again, he's not thick with muscle in WWE terms).

He'd also be very unlikely to sign I'd say, he's a homely guy, he's settled in Japan and gets to spend loads of time in New Zealand too, which suits him. NJPW are also likely to throw money to keep him as he can headline shows.
 
WWEs got the right for Nakamura's entrance music. They've also trademarked Balor Club.
 
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