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Ladron de redcafe said:
I believe Tony Khan cited the expenditures on this game as one of the reasons they aren't doing as well financially this year as they may have been expe
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I remember that. Someone then made the point that it means AEW isn’t profitable in their first year so Tony said it came out of his own pocket so doesn’t count towards AEW expenses (somehow)
I think the game will do ok since the fanbase will want to support the product but the reviews etc are set to be ugly
 
cyberman said:
I remember that. Someone then made the point that it means AEW isn’t profitable in their first year so Tony said it came out of his own pocket so doesn’t count towards AEW expenses (somehow)
I think the game will do ok since the fanbase will want to support the product but the reviews etc are set to be ugly
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Well...that's not a good sign, if they've spent as much as they reportedly have and it's getting that type of talk.
 
Ladron de redcafe said:
Foley talked about his stint as a commentator in 2008 and he mentioned getting increasingly unnerved with McMahon barking instructions if Foley forgot to mention something. He said that he couldn't continue doing that and that people probably always gave Michael Cole a tough time without realizing how difficult his job actually is. He constantly has to hit all the McMahonisms without fail, and if he neglects to mention how a certain "superstar" is trending, or how the "sold out capacity crowd is buzzing as the WWE universe shows how much they're entertained", he'll get an earful.
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Cole deserves credit for sure. I think one thing he had against him was replacing JR as the voice of WWE. JR was iconic for WWE, and Cole seemed too fake in comparison.
However Cole came into his own imo, with Taz on Smackdown. The two had a great partnership

However Mcafee seems to have given Cole a second life, and without McMahon there, Cole had his best call in a long time. Corey was probably his best since NXT too.
 
Sylar said:
Cole deserves credit for sure. I think one thing he had against him was replacing JR as the voice of WWE. JR was iconic for WWE, and Cole seemed too fake in comparison.
However Cole came into his own imo, with Taz on Smackdown. The two had a great partnership

However Mcafee seems to have given Cole a second life, and without McMahon there, Cole had his best call in a long time. Corey was probably his best since NXT too.
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I think I agree but i'm not completely sold that it's due to his announcing style. To me, it's the nicknames and the terms he's forced to use. "The Demon King electrifying the WWE universe. Oh my!" sounds....fake, for the lack of a better word. You can't immerse yourself in what you're watching because it feels like a goofy, scripted show with actors, rather than badass wrestlers facing off for a fight.

JR has always been more suitable at calling the action and describing the moves the wrestlers perform while explaining to the audience why they hurt and what part of a participant's strategy that move is playing in the match. It feels real because he treats it like a sport. But he was allowed to commentate that way because McMahon wasn't in gorilla screaming in his ear during that time period. Vince was an on-air persona and even when he wasn't (as Russo and Prichard have stated throughout the years), his only preoccupation was with whatever Austin was up to. He wasn't micromanaging JR and forcing him to call the action the way he (Vince) preferred it called.

Cole dealt with a worse hand because as he became the voice of wrestling, the landscape had changed, and he was micromanaged. I agree that we all listen to the relatively-fake sounding corny commentator rather than the voice we used to hear (JR) and groan, but Cole himself was much better when he was doing Smackdown during the attitude ear, even though he was getting his feet wet and wasn't yet developed as a commentator.

When he stepped in for JR during late 98 and early 99 as Jim Ross dealt with a bout of Cerebal Palsy, he wasn't that bad. And he was more palatable than the current Cole.

I agree regarding his chemistry with Taz. Taz himself surprised me with his commentary. Would not have expected him to be as good as he wasn. And by 2002, I found myself preferring the Cole-Taz team rather than the JR-Lawler RAW duo at times, mainly because of you mentioned, the chemsistry between them.
 
cyberman said:
I remember that. Someone then made the point that it means AEW isn’t profitable in their first year so Tony said it came out of his own pocket so doesn’t count towards AEW expenses (somehow)
I think the game will do ok since the fanbase will want to support the product but the reviews etc are set to be ugly
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Based on what? Nobody has played it yet have they?
 
The game doesn't look amazing, and i'd say actually looks bad in some areas (not to mention the cringe trailer), all it really needs achieve is to play very closely like No Mercy which is what most wrestling fans would be happy with, and what they have said themselves they have set out to do.
 
Shane88 said:
How much does WWE 2K22 sell?

It'll be a fraction of that. Same genre, more niche brand and looks far less polished.
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For sure. No chance it'll sell as well even if its better (which is unlikely overall. Probably in certain areas and in others nowhere near as good) due to far less exposure.
 
Ekeke said:
Its his opinion of a prediction. Based on nothing
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It's just the standard fare from him, anything AEW does is bad, will turn out horribly etc, and then if its successful then he never mentions it again.

I'm still waiting for the "big test for the fanbase" from the MJF drama a couple of months ago.
 
Shane88 said:
How much does WWE 2K22 sell?

It'll be a fraction of that. Same genre, more niche brand and looks far less polished.
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In fairness the WWE 2k games don't have the best reputation at the moment, over recent years they'd gotten progressively lazier until 2k20 was so awful that 2k21 was cancelled.

You're right that the AEW game won't have the same initial exposure, but if it's a good game (which is a big if) then platforms like steam etc will see that sales happen.
 
It'll sell well. Regardless of how good the game is, it'll sell well. It's the first from AEW, and the first mainstream competitor to 2k, people will want to play it for themselves, good or bad.
 
The Hilton said:
In fairness the WWE 2k games don't have the best reputation at the moment, over recent years they'd gotten progressively lazier until 2k20 was so awful that 2k21 was cancelled.

You're right that the AEW game won't have the same initial exposure, but if it's a good game (which is a big if) then platforms like steam etc will see that sales happen.
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They didnt when AEW started production but obviously it takes a long time. 2k22 has a good rep

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1255630/WWE_2K22/
 
Ekeke said:
They didnt when AEW started production but obviously it takes a long time. 2k22 has a good rep

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1255630/WWE_2K22/
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Yeah it's definitely better reviewed, but it takes more than one improved game to balance out years of rubbish.

Anyway this is a bit off topic now, as I don't think how successful 2k22 is will have much affect on the success of the AEW game, the latter will live or die on its own merits.
 
Ekeke said:
Its his opinion of a prediction. Based on nothing
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I’d like to be tagged when being talked about thanks

Edit here’s my nothing
https://whatculture.com/gaming/aews-fight-forever-in-trouble-console-game-34-way-over-budget-34

The out of date roster, tiny roster at that within the game, the terrible graphics all stand out in their own. The rumoured trouble they have licensing a lot of the entrance music because Tony just went out and bought mainstream music without thinking.

It’s literally not a prediction
 
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The Hilton said:
It's just the standard fare from him, anything AEW does is bad, will turn out horribly etc, and then if its successful then he never mentions it again.

I'm still waiting for the "big test for the fanbase" from the MJF drama a couple of months ago.
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What about the fanbase calling Vince the devil for adding time wrestlers missed due to injury (Brodie Lee prime example) only for radio silence when it was revealed Tony does the exact same thing with AEW wrestlers last week?
Opinion on the absent uproar?
 
cyberman said:
What about the fanbase calling Vince the devil for adding time wrestlers missed due to injury (Brodie Lee prime example) only for radio silence when it was revealed Tony does the exact same thing with AEW wrestlers last week?
Opinion on the absent uproar?
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Yet another false equivalence, it's so tedious. Brodie Lee asked for his release, when he wasn't being used, but was refused out of pettiness. The uproar wasn't about the standard practise of adding injury time to contracts, just the petty refusal to release wrestlers that aren't being used.

If Tony Khan does the same thing any time then he'll deserve, and I imagine get, plenty of stick about it.
 
cyberman said:
I’d like to be tagged when being talked about thanks

Edit here’s my nothing
https://whatculture.com/gaming/aews-fight-forever-in-trouble-console-game-34-way-over-budget-34

The out of date roster, tiny roster at that within the game, the terrible graphics all stand out in their own. The rumoured trouble they have licensing a lot of the entrance music because Tony just went out and bought mainstream music without thinking.

It’s literally not a prediction
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I dont tag people I have on ignore. Whatculture is a pretty good reindication of why you're there
 
Kross returning was not something I expected too see, considering how bad his main roster went last time.
 
Not surprised he’s back. He could be the main heel on one of the shows easily.
 
Bringing him back with his NXT gimmick seems almost like either a deliberately obvious dig at Vince or deliberately obvious pandering to the fambase, or both even...but then it was also the best part of the show.

Raw was definitely a lot better as well. Wouldn't exactly call it a statement show but it was good to actually have some running themes and story building
 
noodlehair said:
Bringing him back with his NXT gimmick seems almost like either a deliberately obvious dig at Vince or deliberately obvious pandering to the fambase, or both even...but then it was also the best part of the show.

Raw was definitely a lot better as well. Wouldn't exactly call it a statement show but it was good to actually have some running themes and story building
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I'm not sure dig is the word, but they obviously have a different idea in how to do things and while Vince let Kross come to the main roster with his "action figure" idea of presentation, we're clearly seeing Triple H saying he believes you can throw him right in as a main eventer with Roman with closer to his NXT presentation.

Its an interesting time because to some extent NXT 2.0 has several people who would fit the Vince model of main roster stars and they have potential, while NXT was gutted for most of its former era stars. And while Triple H has thrown him in with the big spot, there arent that many others available to do the same with. And Kross was always the most vince like of HHH's NXT pushed guys anyway. So even if for example they resign Gargano and put him in a big spot too, it would still represent something a bit different to what he's done here with the big guy with the good body.
 
Keith Lee is one who would have massively benefited with HHH taking over recently.
 
This might be the first time in... 3 years(?) where WWE actually feels hotter then AEW.

It'll probably be short-lived, and AEW have people returning and big shows coming up, but yeah.
 
Annihilate Now! said:
This might be the first time in... 3 years(?) where WWE actually feels hotter then AEW.

It'll probably be short-lived, and AEW have people returning and big shows coming up, but yeah.
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Great for fans who enjoy both and don't have that weird mentality of choosing a side

It's also great this is happening before the Wales ppv
 
Sucks for the people who were saying 2.0 is better (and yes reddit had a bunch of them) to have all the previous people turning up and featured on the main show
 
Ekeke said:
Sucks for the people who were saying 2.0 is better (and yes reddit had a bunch of them) to have all the previous people turning up and featured on the main show
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Why does other talent coming back suck for 2.0? They're still going to move up in time?
 
Ekeke said:
Sucks for the people who were saying 2.0 is better (and yes reddit had a bunch of them) to have all the previous people turning up and featured on the main show
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I don't really see what the point is here. 2.0 signalled a change from the previous model of signing experienced Indy stars to returning to a more traditional WWE developmental approach of training up gifted athletes from scratch. Most 2.0 fans acknowledge that the talent is super green but we appreciate the more character heavy, faster pace TV style of 2.0 rather than 1.0. It's a style and creative preference rather than a personnel one. And frankly, Raw and SD is kinda turning into NXT TV from the Triple H era - solid booking, good feud building with decent matches but not exactly a thrill a minute. Overall it's a big improvement on Vince McMahon led WWE TV from recent years but it's not exactly riveting.

NXT 2.0 is more of an Attitude Era style program, for better or for worse. There's a lot of shit on there and the wrestling isn't exactly sublime but characters generally feel meaningful and there's a pace and dynamism that was absent on weekly TVs shows during the NXT 1.0 era (albeit the Takeovers then were always excellent).
 
SparkedIntoLife said:
I don't really see what the point is here. 2.0 signalled a change from the previous model of signing experienced Indy stars to returning to a more traditional WWE developmental approach of training up gifted athletes from scratch. Most 2.0 fans acknowledge that the talent is super green but we appreciate the more character heavy, faster pace TV style of 2.0 rather than 1.0. It's a style and creative preference rather than a personnel one. And frankly, Raw and SD is kinda turning into NXT TV from the Triple H era - solid booking, good feud building with decent matches but not exactly a thrill a minute. Overall it's a big improvement on Vince McMahon led WWE TV from recent years but it's not exactly riveting.

NXT 2.0 is more of an Attitude Era style program, for better or for worse. There's a lot of shit on there and the wrestling isn't exactly sublime but characters generally feel meaningful and there's a pace and dynamism that was absent on weekly TVs shows during the NXT 1.0 era (albeit the Takeovers then were always excellent).
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The point is that WWE went away from the good indie workers that give you lots of really good matches and there were people that were happy and prefered the 2.0 style, but now Triple H is bringing those guys back and pushing them on the main roster. The people who liked the change because they prefer the big guys with some potential because they're athletic would want to see more of that than Raw and Smackdown going towards NXT of 2 years ago. This is what I've seen from some people on reddit, complaining about "vanilla midgets" etc

I personally saw some good stuff on 2.0 although it also is what it is, and there was also some bad stuff. But theres definitely several people who I'm interested to see what the plans are in the future. Its something I have enough interest in that I'll check it out sometimes after making sure Ive watched the stuff I always watch. And I absolutely think that unless they mess up, which they might, then they do have several of the Vince era type Superstars there. But now we'll see what happens to them with Triple H

You cant push everyone. That will forever be the problem. Its the problem here and its the problem when people talk about former WWE wrestlers now in AEW. Some are in a good spot, others not as good as at certain times in WWE. When AEW started there was space for pushing a bunch of guys. But several years in they have the same problem that leads to having a brand split and multiple "A" shows
 
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