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Odd Multi matches tend quite poor The only two good triple threat matches in the last 15 years on top of my head are HHH V HBK V Chris Benoit and Cena V Rollins V Lesnar
The best ever women's match at Mania was a triple threat.

Miz, Balor and Rollins was great just a year ago.

Asuka vs Becky vs Charlotte was awesome just last year in December
 
Really hope it’s Rollins vs Bryan and not Lesnar.

Feels like we’ve seen enough of Lesnar and Shield members. It won’t be though.

Hard to predict Mania now. Women’s triple threat, Rollins v Lesnar but apart from that hard no idea.
 
Odds are Charlotte will complain and get put in the Becky/Ronda match. I'm cool with it, they're by far the three best female wrestlers right now and deserve that moment (Asuka is in that category currently too, but obviously has to be in a different match).

I often hate this part, however, since I think it's just going to be blindingly obvious that Rousey and Asuka retain at Elimination Chamber (whoever defends there, or both, or maybe neither if they make or a no.1 contender match). All I can imagine for SmackDown is either Kairi Sane finally makes the jump to pay off the original NXT plan from yesteryear, or there's just some big melee of a match that has at least four competitors.

It's been difficult on Raw as the only realistic challengers to Rousey are both on SmackDown and she's dealt with Bliss and Nia already (and Banks).

And yes, I do think women's wrestling is currently more interesting, and better, than the men's.
 
Reckon Seth will take Brock at Wrestlemania. Seth will start becoming the new "Mr Wrestlemania" in the process.

It's a good move all things considered. He would be a great universal champion, capable of turning up week in week out and putting up a great match against any opposition.

They need to push Finn more than they have though. Hope he's not dropped to a B card after this mini push. I won't be tuning into anything until wresltmania though so il just rely on updates from this thread :lol:
 
I’ve taken a break for the last few months but re-subscribed to the network and watched the Rumble...

Meh, it was shite as usual. First of all it was on for the best part of 7 hours including the 2 hour pre show, I mean that’s just stupid the crowd was completely dead for all the big matches.

Becky tapped clean to Asuka than an hour later wins the Rumble, again it’s shite story telling in my opinion.

Roan interferes in the title match, probably one of the worst wrestlers on the roster gets involved out of nowhere in a world title match. His finisher looks terrible and was hard to believe it would be enough to finish AJ as well.

There’s other stuff like Shane winning the tag belt, Nia entering the Rumble, no big surprises in both Rumbles tbh, JJ was the big one and that was more of a comedy spot.

The one plus was Seth winning, he’s been my favourite for years it’s gonna be good watching his build up to Mania.
 
I really enjoyed the show. There were a few things that probably could've been done a little differently like Becky tapping out and McIntyre probably should've been booked a bit stronger but I don't think there was a bad match on the card.

I was very pleasantly surprised by how good the Balor-Lesnar match was as well.
 
I'm assuming balor will face Brock again at mania as demon? Surely that's the only reasoning for him not busting out the demon last night...

feck Nia Jax that fat shit. Should have had The Man Becky lynch enter the men's rumble and win it. I like Seth but his win did nothing for me.
 
I'm assuming balor will face Brock again at mania as demon? Surely that's the only reasoning for him not busting out the demon last night...

feck Nia Jax that fat shit. Should have had The Man Becky lynch enter the men's rumble and win it. I like Seth but his win did nothing for me.
No. I think we are definitely getting Seth vs Brock at Mania.

Rollins has been taking pops at Brock for most of the year about how he never shows up while Seth is stealing the show every week

Brock apparently prefers facing guys in the mould of Balor(Punk and Bryan stand out) so that's why he probably faced him. He won clean so Balor probably is out of the title picture.

Think Brock vs Seth will be better than many people expect though. Brock can really go when motivated.. I've seen Seth live and the guy is a brilliant wrestler..

I think our card as of today is likely going to be:

Rollins vs Lesnar

Ronda vs Becky vs Charlotte

Cena vs Lars Sullivan was supposed to happen according to the dirt sheets but the former is struggling with mental health issues at the moment..
 
Never really thought about this before but Charlotte and Nia are effectively giants in that woman’s division. So many of the NXT ladies looked like Bliss would tower over them. That girl from American Ninja, some of the things she could do was insane but she tiny. There was also a moment when Zhi I think jumps at Nia and Nia just kicks her out of the air.
 
No. I
Cena vs Lars Sullivan was supposed to happen according to the dirt sheets but the former is struggling with mental health issues at the moment..
Former? Cena?
 
Triple H better be lyin with this Becky will make her announcement tomorrow, the man needs to be on Raw right now slapping the head off of Ronnie and letting her know.

Can’t beleive I went from Becky is meh but she is stunning to she is the best thing since sliced bread.

Ronda can’t even get a word out for the boo’s and Becky chants.
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The man has arrived and you know it’s a big moment when WWE zoom out the camera :lol: Crowd was awesome. Props to both because they both nailed that promo

There is no reason whatsoever to add Charlotte to this and I hope to god they don’t.
“Ronnie, I told you I’d find a way back to you”
 
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Havent seen Raw yet, but I think WWE missed a trick to incorporate a few stories together, whilst setting up stuff for the future by tweaking a few things.

At Rumble, they should have had Nia come out and distract or do something to cost Becky. And Becky instead of tapping out, passes out and refuses to tap.
Then they still do what they did at the Rumble for everything else.

That way:
Asuka is still champ (still not sure why they had her lose twice to Carmella last year so easily).
Becky can still challenge Ronda but state she didnt tap to Asuka, and will come back for her later as theres unsettled business. (and for their feud Becky can say The man hasnt tapped, and will not to Ronda either)
Nia and Becky can go at it at Chamber as theres unfinished business - Nia can state that Becky says shes the man, but Nia actually competed with the men. Could even put the main event of WM spot up for grabs?
Nia can also tell Asuka shes only champ cos of Nia.
Ronda is still undefeated machine
Charlotte can still state shes the legit last person standing in Rumble

I mean, what they did still worked cos Becky still got a monster reaction. But she did tap (and WWE have done a job of conditioning fans that tapping is basically a cowards way out / quitting).
 
Really hoped Owens was gonna come out when Lashley was beating on Balor. Maybe Lashley will keep beating people up until Owens is ready to one back
 
Wade Keller, supposedly reliable, saying Ambrose is done with WWE when his contract finishes in April.

Guessing that's why he was a nothing factor in the rumble, beaten clean by Seth and punked out by Nia Jax of all people last night.
 
Brock looks so different now, he’d obviously been on the Juice for years but he looks like he has leaned down so much he doesn’t look like the beast but he is still jacked, that UFC return must be happening, he still looks strong and maybe it’s a case of working with lighter guys recently but those F5’s Jesus…

I once tried to give one to a mate who was 17 stone on a bouncy castle and let me tell you that was not easy, turned in to more of an attitude adjustment :lol:
 
Did you see Jerichos tweet about Lesnar? @Andersons Dietician
Nah I don’t have Twitter. What did he say?

Edit. I went and had a look on Jerichos Twitter. Must have been deleted but I saw some article with the tweet. Jericho saying someone needs to lose the gut is hilarious. Might need to go to specsavers whilst he is at it.
 
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I mean, what they did still worked cos Becky still got a monster reaction. But she did tap (and WWE have done a job of conditioning fans that tapping is basically a cowards way out / quitting).
I think Asuka going over clean was the right call, once they had decided to book the match. Asuka is still really over and their second biggest female babyface. She's the only one people would accept Becky losing to clean. Becky is presumably headed to Raw, so it's right for her to put someone over on the way out. Smackdown is made out to be the B-show way too often, so it is good that their women's champion will not be seen as that. Becky is never booked to be unbeatable, and the crowd have forgotten about Asuka's bad booking, so she wasn't hurt by the loss.

I know people are complaining that Becky now choosing Ronda over Asuka looks cowardly, but I don't see that at all. They've given Becky more than enough motivation to choose to fight Ronda that it is the logical decision to make her from her character's perspective. It's clearly the bigger match in kayfabe and she's going to be motivated at beating the person who screwed her out of her title, rather than the person who beat her clean.

I'd do Asuka vs Charlotte again at Mania, then send Rousey to Smackdown to have matches lined up with Charlotte and Asuka at the bigger PPVs around her soon-to-be part-time schedule.

The women's main event scene is in a super strong position where Becky, Charlotte, Ronda and Asuka are all super over, with big matches being lined up over the next year. Compare that to the men's main event scene which is just filled with apathy. The women's singles titles have really been pushed as meaning something over the last year, whereas the men's titles have been made so squarely a midcard title or a Lesnar-special title. I love Styles, I love Lesnar, I love Bryan, but their title reigns just don't seem to matter. Lesnar isn't about enough and AJ has failed to climb out of Jinder's midcard hole.
 
Is it weird when you think of all the good technical wrestlers AJ has been in with over the last few years that the Cena matches have probably been his best work. That 1 Baylor match on Raw was quite good but the Nakamura, Joe,Bryan, Owens ones have all been a bit disappointing.
Yeah, Styles is my favourite of all-time possibly, but his last 18 months have not been as great, and I think people have been quite forgiving with him. The booking of the main event matches on Smackdown has not been great, but he's definitely slowing down in the ring, which is no surprise really. Compare him to the top guys on NXT (Gargano, Strong, Ricochet) and I don't think he's on their level any longer. That said, even Bryan has struggled to have great matches with the booking on Smackdown, so maybe its not his fault.
 
Overall Im not disagreeing @TMDaines
I also think Asuka winning was the right move. I personally would have had Becky pass out rather than tap (as its not a limb breaker move but more of one that provides pain / choke / whatever)
Nah I don’t have Twitter. What did he say?

Edit. I went and had a look on Jerichos Twitter. Must have been deleted but I saw some article with the tweet. Jericho saying someone needs to lose the gut is hilarious. Might need to go to specsavers whilst he is at it.

Yeah, he basically said having a gut is not intimidating. And also that AEW only want a few guys from WWE, impact and ROh so dont worry...
 
Overall Im not disagreeing @TMDaines
I also think Asuka winning was the right move. I personally would have had Becky pass out rather than tap (as its not a limb breaker move but more of one that provides pain / choke / whatever)
I think you make life difficult in the women's division if you make a big deal about people not tapping out. Becky, Charlotte, Asuka, Ronda, Sasha and Natalya all use submissions as their primary finisher. Even others like Carmella and Baszler, who is due a call up, do too. All of these guys are going to tap out a lot, unless you have people being beaten by roll ups or foreign objects.

Becky's thing has never been being unbeatable, so I don't see the harm.
 
AEW already sound pathetic.

Between Jericho's drunken ramblings and one of the Young Bucks acting all high and mighty about some tool being asked to remove his AEW shirt at ringside before the rumble, they're already striking me as TNA when they couldn't shut up about WWE.
 
@TMDaines @Sylar I think it should have been a double count out or a DQ by interference. It still puts the two over, as Asuka will have just gone toe to toe with someone we are supposed to believe can beat “Ronnie” and for me that finish was a mistake. Doesn’t look like it’s done any harm as Becky is basically bullet proof at this point but it’s just WWE being stupid unless…

Hear me out, we still get Champion vs Champion which it should always have been. Don’t know how they would work it but let’s face it you put the strap on Becky and even though this is already the biggest female Mania match ever it would go up a level again with the prospect of a champ champ.

Becky go on to Smackdown say something like, I’ve got my main event at Mania, I’ve got my opponent but something is missing. Beat Asuka at Elimination. It’ll never happen and it would screw the point of even having the elimination chamber match as I guess it’ll be for a number 1 contenders spot.
 
Royal Rumble ended up being decent overall, especially the normal matches. Women's rumble was trash once again, just loads of blown spots, botches, and not a lot of excitment. Lacey Evans set the tone by screwing up a kip up twice in her big debut, everything Tamina did, Charlotte comes in relatively early and after she does her initial stuff just dissapears until the end. For some reason whenever there was an elimination or big spot it was always during the countdown so the audience's attention is split between the two. Though I really liked the Riot squad just picking people off and Rhea looked a beast, would have been awesome if Toni Storm then came in and confronted her. Men's match was better, got a few good surprises but the Nia Jax thing was absolute bullshit. They're building up Ali to be one of the big baby faces on Smackdown who gave the WWE champion a tough match and she's the one to eliminate him. What point did it serve? Has history being reckless and injury people and just isn't very good but they go on give her a big spot like that.

Oh and special mention to the camera work during the women's rumble. It's shit at the best of times but they took it to a new level during the match.
 
I think you make life difficult in the women's division if you make a big deal about people not tapping out. Becky, Charlotte, Asuka, Ronda, Sasha and Natalya all use submissions as their primary finisher. Even others like Carmella and Baszler, who is due a call up, do too. All of these guys are going to tap out a lot, unless you have people being beaten by roll ups or foreign objects.

Becky's thing has never been being unbeatable, so I don't see the harm.

I get that but shes going to be facing Ronda who is. So losing a match like this close to their face off could have been avoided. But even then, as I said I still have no issue with Becky losing. But passing out imo is better for a badass than tapping out.
 
I get that but shes going to be facing Ronda who is. So losing a match like this close to their face off could have been avoided. But even then, as I said I still have no issue with Becky losing. But passing out imo is better for a badass than tapping out.
It was in the 90s, but I think you just look stupid nowadays with an MMA mentality.
 
It was in the 90s, but I think you just look stupid nowadays with an MMA mentality.

I dunno. As I said, WWE have been pushing and conditioning fans that tapping out is a cowardice thing, especially playing to the whole 'you tapped out' chants.