Even if affording him that right was the best thing to do which itself is highly debatable there is no way that's even his last match.
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Even if affording him that right was the best thing to do which itself is highly debatable there is no way that's even his last match.
I guess you have a valid point regarding the storyline, but not entirely surprised that it was a brawlfest. I didn't watch the match, was just reading it, so my point maybe moot, but it's pretty much what you'd expect right ? Did they not have a WM match a few years ago as well and I doubt that was any better than this.
I completely agree that his body is shot. Those HBK matches did lasting damage. It was just such a underwhelming comeback. In my opinion they should have had Cena and Elias have a full match. Then as Cena is about to win, the lights go out, ‘he’ appears and chokeslams him, costing the victory. That would have had way more impact and he wouldn’t have had to take any damage.
This is exactly what will happen but it’s costing them a considerable amount more than $10m. I have been told by a friend in the industry it’s closer to $100m.
Their last match was better than this, with a great ending too. More back and forth.
Tonight's was shite.
Aren’t women band from competing? Seems like a step back after the push the women have had.
I wouldn’t be surprised. Even the name is ridiculous ‘greatest Royal Rumble’ the whole thing stinks and it’s still a month from happening.
They won’t boo Roman out of the building being a non American crowd which makes even more sense. Roman wins then feuds with the winner of the rumble match in the coming months.
Going back to tonight I think Broc was pissed, the crowd was mostly dead and the ones alive were chanting ‘this is awful’ that’s insane for a wrestlemania main event they’ve been building for 12 months. Broc won and didn’t even celebrate he just fecked off.
MOTN for entertainment value was the mixed tag.
Disappointed in AJ/Shinsuke, didn't grab me at all, thought I may appreciate it more on a rewatch after some sleep.
Disappointed in AJ/Shinsuke, didn't grab me at all, thought I may appreciate it more on a rewatch after some sleep.
They have been relaxing the rules recently. From what I understand they can wrestle but must be fully clothed.
He does. Watch his first run.
Problem is, since his stint, they built him as an unbeatable man who can just throw you around, hence the current move set. It's apart of his character.
Considering the hype I was seriously disappointed in the AJ/Shinsuke match. I don’t get the Shinsuke love. I’m a big fan of Japanese wrestling but just don’t find him very entertaining. IMO Finn Bálor is hands down the best on the roster and he’s being massively underused.
What’s going on with Paige now, Jesus she looks awful on her promo for the new movie.
Bloated and dare I say it high, I thought she was getting better. They need to cut that ad it’s awful.
Bloated and dare I say it high, I thought she was getting better. They need to cut that ad it’s awful.
Agree with everything you said.
Will have to take your word for it.
But personally, I like the twist ending. Not sure if it was done for the sake of doing (It's Vince, so it's very much possible and more likely) or if they have something in mind.
Low key retired due to injury at a house show.
I think they changed the result of the Reigns and Brock match last minute after the UFC news came out this week, that way it wasn't as predictable as everyone thought. I expect Roman to win it on Raw tonight.
She has had substance problems for quite a while now, and that mixed with the botox she is getting is making her look terrible. She is the next Chyna / Sunny.
I know he does. So it's terrible booking on WWEs part.
How exactly has he been a great champion? Hardly defended the belt, when he does there is an over 50% chance the match will be tedious as feck, ambles to the ring, let's heyman ramble on, grins and squints his piggy little eyes, suplexes and f5, disappears for two months to count his money. The sooner the boring squeeky voiced gimp disappears the happier I'll be. Dislike him that much I was actually rooting for Roman!
He's nowhere near as athletic as his first run too. He's a fat cnut now, mini Big Show
Sarcasm mate
Anyone notice Broc’s teeth....wtf.
Is it worth watching? Reluctant to pay sky more money but saw you get a 30 day free trial if you sign up to the WWE network. Had a meeting this morning at 10 so didn’t want to watch it but I found myself wide awake at 3 am.
Wooooooooooooo, I'm going with the excuse I've not been to bed yet
Watch it on a free trial mate.
Good enough excuseWooooooooooooo, I'm going with the excuse I've not been to bed yet
6.5 out of 10 show. First half was excellent, second was barely tolerable.
Am I the only one that wanted the bar to hurt that long haired little git?
It’s worth watching be warned it’s 7 hours including the pre show.
There was some great moments I enjoyed it, starts running out of steam towards the end but I mean 6 hours in its probably expected.
Caught up on highlights
- I didn't think it was as bad as I thought it would be. The match card worried me but overall I think it was a decent event.
- DB and Shane match plus the Nia Jax match was the happy ending segments all the kids wanted to see. Every Mania has them sort of matches so there's little that can be said about them. Was good overall but unspectacular..
- Cena and Taker was good. Taker wasn't out long enough for us to realise how much he's lost it (he obviously has at his age and that's fine). Loved cena in the crowd and the will he won't he thing. Thought cena was squashed a bit too much though and it's tarnishing him as a wrestler now. But meh it's John Cena and he makes most things look great.
- Rousey match was brilliant. Kudos to all on that one. Only blemish is Steph getting a clean move or two on Rousey..it didn't make sense that she can have a clean upper hand vs rousey at any point. They should have kept her to working dirty cheap shots to bring her down. Overall solid match great entertainment value.
- IC title and smackdown women's matches were brilliant. I don't agree with Asuka losing though. Although, if she was ever to lose the streak there's no other place than Mania to do it I guess.
- Shinsuke and Styles was a let down. They are capable of so much more I'm unsure why it was sluggish on the end. Heel turn is OK if they can write it well on Smackdown (doubtful if it's the current team of writers!).
- Reigns losing was daft. The universe doesn't want him to be champion but they've resigned themselves to it given the years of buildup it's given. Him not going over is pretty stupid because the last 3 years feels a waste. Moreover 6 F5s is just stupid. Brock matches are just stupid and they have been for over a year now. He has 3 moves and plugs and repeats over and over again. Same near falls, same half second kick outs, same endings. Every time. Its terribly tiresome (moreso than the general Reigns gimmick). Really stupid close to the show imo. I know I've used the word "stupid" a lot for this point but there's no better word for it. I think they were trying to just surprise the audience and it went too far.
- I didn't think it was as bad as I thought it would be. The match card worried me but overall I think it was a decent event.
- DB and Shane match plus the Nia Jax match was the happy ending segments all the kids wanted to see. Every Mania has them sort of matches so there's little that can be said about them. Was good overall but unspectacular..
- Cena and Taker was good. Taker wasn't out long enough for us to realise how much he's lost it (he obviously has at his age and that's fine). Loved cena in the crowd and the will he won't he thing. Thought cena was squashed a bit too much though and it's tarnishing him as a wrestler now. But meh it's John Cena and he makes most things look great.
- Rousey match was brilliant. Kudos to all on that one. Only blemish is Steph getting a clean move or two on Rousey..it didn't make sense that she can have a clean upper hand vs rousey at any point. They should have kept her to working dirty cheap shots to bring her down. Overall solid match great entertainment value.
- IC title and smackdown women's matches were brilliant. I don't agree with Asuka losing though. Although, if she was ever to lose the streak there's no other place than Mania to do it I guess.
- Shinsuke and Styles was a let down. They are capable of so much more I'm unsure why it was sluggish on the end. Heel turn is OK if they can write it well on Smackdown (doubtful if it's the current team of writers!).
- Reigns losing was daft. The universe doesn't want him to be champion but they've resigned themselves to it given the years of buildup it's given. Him not going over is pretty stupid because the last 3 years feels a waste. Moreover 6 F5s is just stupid. Brock matches are just stupid and they have been for over a year now. He has 3 moves and plugs and repeats over and over again. Same near falls, same half second kick outs, same endings. Every time. Its terribly tiresome (moreso than the general Reigns gimmick). Really stupid close to the show imo. I know I've used the word "stupid" a lot for this point but there's no better word for it. I think they were trying to just surprise the audience and it went too far.
Am I being harsh in saying that some of that was incredibly poorly booked?
Pre-show stuff we can live with, the matches were actually pretty good, Bayley deserved the win but whatever.
Intercontinental match was fine, I didn't mind who won that one as I like all three and most people probably feel the same. Didn't realise it would make Seth a 'Grand Slam Champion' which seems to be the in-thing now, probably why they're dropping main card guys into the IC / US / Tag title divisions more recently.
I don't think Charlotte & Asuka should've gone on next, or that the streak should've been broken there, but again it is passable. Think the match was a little bit too short as well, Asuka should've got a bit more offence in pre-Figure 8. I had a big problem with a lot of the match order in this event actually...
If Braun wasn't going to have a real partner, then that match should definitely not have been on just before the Main Event. The disappointment of no guest partner was probably there to make the Lesnar/Reign match seem more refreshing, but it clearly didn't work as the majority of the crowd have been against the whole thing for months anyway and the chants and boos proved that. Amazed Lesnar won after all that building though, it'll be extremely flat if he just loses it on Raw. Braun not having a partner was just awful though, I think we'll see some shitty ruling applied on Raw where Braun is stripped of the title or has to defend it with an active superstar as his partner, making the whole thing at WM just a waste of time.
Thinking about the US Title more, Jinder is probably the guy most in trouble of fading away if he didn't win it. Seems as though WWE aren't ready for him to become completely irrelevant yet and wanted him to have pinned every guy in contention for the belt recently, so the fall guy had to be Rusev. Obviously though, it shouldn't have been Rusev as he's probably one of the top three most over guys in the company right now.
Undertaker and Cena was far too short for all the build-up. It makes sense for Undertaker to basically dominate and odds are it means there will be a rematch at WresteMania 35 which will finally be the last time. Undertaker looked good enough to go for 10+ minutes easily though and not put on a poor match, so we'll see where it goes. Maybe the end-game is actually that Undertaker will be Champion come WM35 and Cena will defeat him for his record-breaking 17th title.
Match of the night for me was honestly Angle & Rousey vs. HHH & Steph. You just have to force yourself to forget how unrealistic it is that anyone could touch Ronda and if you can do that, it works. She did really well and it was such a classic, old school face vs. heel match that just worked perfectly.
Shinsuke heel turn felt unnecessary and won't do much for him. Charlotte beating Asuka has killed most of the hype. Brock beating Reigns just felt wrong taking everything into account and I think Alexa staying as Champion would've been better for Raw with Rousey eventually being the one to take it off her. I feel as though Nia needed the belt the least out of everyone involved in the World Title matches and she's the only one who won it. Poorly done, IMO.
Pre-show stuff we can live with, the matches were actually pretty good, Bayley deserved the win but whatever.
Intercontinental match was fine, I didn't mind who won that one as I like all three and most people probably feel the same. Didn't realise it would make Seth a 'Grand Slam Champion' which seems to be the in-thing now, probably why they're dropping main card guys into the IC / US / Tag title divisions more recently.
I don't think Charlotte & Asuka should've gone on next, or that the streak should've been broken there, but again it is passable. Think the match was a little bit too short as well, Asuka should've got a bit more offence in pre-Figure 8. I had a big problem with a lot of the match order in this event actually...
If Braun wasn't going to have a real partner, then that match should definitely not have been on just before the Main Event. The disappointment of no guest partner was probably there to make the Lesnar/Reign match seem more refreshing, but it clearly didn't work as the majority of the crowd have been against the whole thing for months anyway and the chants and boos proved that. Amazed Lesnar won after all that building though, it'll be extremely flat if he just loses it on Raw. Braun not having a partner was just awful though, I think we'll see some shitty ruling applied on Raw where Braun is stripped of the title or has to defend it with an active superstar as his partner, making the whole thing at WM just a waste of time.
Thinking about the US Title more, Jinder is probably the guy most in trouble of fading away if he didn't win it. Seems as though WWE aren't ready for him to become completely irrelevant yet and wanted him to have pinned every guy in contention for the belt recently, so the fall guy had to be Rusev. Obviously though, it shouldn't have been Rusev as he's probably one of the top three most over guys in the company right now.
Undertaker and Cena was far too short for all the build-up. It makes sense for Undertaker to basically dominate and odds are it means there will be a rematch at WresteMania 35 which will finally be the last time. Undertaker looked good enough to go for 10+ minutes easily though and not put on a poor match, so we'll see where it goes. Maybe the end-game is actually that Undertaker will be Champion come WM35 and Cena will defeat him for his record-breaking 17th title.
Match of the night for me was honestly Angle & Rousey vs. HHH & Steph. You just have to force yourself to forget how unrealistic it is that anyone could touch Ronda and if you can do that, it works. She did really well and it was such a classic, old school face vs. heel match that just worked perfectly.
Shinsuke heel turn felt unnecessary and won't do much for him. Charlotte beating Asuka has killed most of the hype. Brock beating Reigns just felt wrong taking everything into account and I think Alexa staying as Champion would've been better for Raw with Rousey eventually being the one to take it off her. I feel as though Nia needed the belt the least out of everyone involved in the World Title matches and she's the only one who won it. Poorly done, IMO.
Jinder only won because there is a Battle Royal event in Saudi Arabia taking place. He's the closest relatable wrestler for them fans despite actually originating from India. That's close enough for WWE so he gets the belt.
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The Reigns hate is pretty daft, tbh!
The booking going in was poor for pretty much every feud. AJ v Nakamura had pretty much no build in the 2 months the match was in the pipeline for as an example. Lazy, but that sums up alot of the WWE's problems at the moment. The lack of US competition really hurts Wrestling.
If you want to talk about the matches though, here are some of my thoughts:
IC match: Not sure where they are going with this Finn for everyone gimmick, makes you wonder if Steph wanting a main roster Gay star is in fact true, and is where they are going with this. The match itself was pretty good. Just right in length and can see why The Miz will be given some time off now. Happy with that.
Asuka losing I expected. Aside from pehaps Ronda, there was only really Charlotte that could of beaten her, and I don't think they were ever fully behind the streak anyways so makes sense for Charlotte to win. Asuka really needs to stop talking, she sounds like a joke character when she talks.
Rusev Day is dead now. But the WWE never really supported it as they didn't create it so that is no surprise. Jinder is terrible but they don't want to admit their mistake with the guy so will keep backing him.
Taker \ Cena was fine. But no more Taker matches. Bringing this guy out in a weave struggling to walk the ropes is just not a good look.
Nakamura just isn't the same in the WWE as he was in NJPW. Not sure if it's the style or his age or what, but something isn't working. The 'sticks and stones' promo of terror will live with me forever I think.
Brock beating Reigns was a late change IMO. Vince seen the UFC news and knew that made his main event seem too predictable so called an audible I think. Roman will rather win it tonight or if you want a wildcard, then Samoa Joe is being advertised as fighting Roman in house shows for the belt in the next few months so he could make a return tonight and shock everyone.
I was so excited for Wrestlemania and was so, so disappointed.
Andre Battle Royal - Fun match. Good to see Wyatt return and happy Hardy won. Interesting to see where this goes from here.
Cruiserweight - Didn't watch it, but from what people said on here and twitter, it sounds like it was decent.
Womens Battle Royal - Didn't watch it, but Naomi won it?! Meh.
IC Title - Good match, enjoyed it. Really solid opener.
SD Womens Title - Very good match. Wasn't expecting Asuka to lose, never mind tap out. A nice shock and part of me is glad that the streak is over, as it prevents Asuka from becoming too predictable.
US Title - feck Jinder and feck WWE having Rusev take the pin.
Mixed Tag - Most enjoyable match of the night for me. It was bonkers, but I loved it. Ronda looked fantastic and will have shut a lot of people up.
SD Tag Titles - Skipped most of this match. Probably the right winners. See where they go from here.
Cena/Taker - Just feck off with this bullshit. Why bring the Undertaker back, after probably the most fitting retirement last year, for that shower of shit? If he can't go for more than 3 minutes, then don't have him in a match. Complete waste of time over the past month.
Bryan/Shane vs KO/Sami - Decent match. Great to see Brayn back in the ring. Felt a little flat afterwards with no heel turn. KO/Sami will be on RAW tonight.
RAW Womens Title - Clearly the right winner. A decent match that didn't have the quality of the SD womens. Again, felt flat with no cash in afterwards.
RAW Tag titles - A joke. I can only think thats what happened, Vince thought 'This will be funny AF'. But where do they go now? Is Nicholas full time? Does Braun lose the titles tonight? Does he just pick a random kid to be his partner every week? Backed themselves into a corner with a horrible idea.
WWE Title - Was ok. Not amazing. Interesting heel turn from Naka and be good to see where they go from here.
Universal Title - feck off. Just feck off. I feel for people who paid so much money to be there and had to sit through that. Brock is fecking wank. I hate the big boring bastard. I don't just want him to feck off to UFC, I want him to get battered in UFC. So sick of him.
In the end, I enjoyed it up until Cena/Taker and then, there was just something missing from every match. It's as though people had worked out exactly what was going to happen and while that would've been predictable, it would've still been good. What we got is too many attempted 'swerves' and I really didn't enjoy it.
Andre Battle Royal - Fun match. Good to see Wyatt return and happy Hardy won. Interesting to see where this goes from here.
Cruiserweight - Didn't watch it, but from what people said on here and twitter, it sounds like it was decent.
Womens Battle Royal - Didn't watch it, but Naomi won it?! Meh.
IC Title - Good match, enjoyed it. Really solid opener.
SD Womens Title - Very good match. Wasn't expecting Asuka to lose, never mind tap out. A nice shock and part of me is glad that the streak is over, as it prevents Asuka from becoming too predictable.
US Title - feck Jinder and feck WWE having Rusev take the pin.
Mixed Tag - Most enjoyable match of the night for me. It was bonkers, but I loved it. Ronda looked fantastic and will have shut a lot of people up.
SD Tag Titles - Skipped most of this match. Probably the right winners. See where they go from here.
Cena/Taker - Just feck off with this bullshit. Why bring the Undertaker back, after probably the most fitting retirement last year, for that shower of shit? If he can't go for more than 3 minutes, then don't have him in a match. Complete waste of time over the past month.
Bryan/Shane vs KO/Sami - Decent match. Great to see Brayn back in the ring. Felt a little flat afterwards with no heel turn. KO/Sami will be on RAW tonight.
RAW Womens Title - Clearly the right winner. A decent match that didn't have the quality of the SD womens. Again, felt flat with no cash in afterwards.
RAW Tag titles - A joke. I can only think thats what happened, Vince thought 'This will be funny AF'. But where do they go now? Is Nicholas full time? Does Braun lose the titles tonight? Does he just pick a random kid to be his partner every week? Backed themselves into a corner with a horrible idea.
WWE Title - Was ok. Not amazing. Interesting heel turn from Naka and be good to see where they go from here.
Universal Title - feck off. Just feck off. I feel for people who paid so much money to be there and had to sit through that. Brock is fecking wank. I hate the big boring bastard. I don't just want him to feck off to UFC, I want him to get battered in UFC. So sick of him.
In the end, I enjoyed it up until Cena/Taker and then, there was just something missing from every match. It's as though people had worked out exactly what was going to happen and while that would've been predictable, it would've still been good. What we got is too many attempted 'swerves' and I really didn't enjoy it.
Also - Did Brock do to Reigns what he did to Orton? Or was that fake blood? It looked pretty real to me and surely he shouldn't be doing that to one wrestler, let alone two?
I’ve said since his main roster debut (not doubting his history in Japan) that Nakamura isn’t working, he doesn’t suit WWE at all, I don’t get him.
He’s lost so many matches that there’s zero mystique surrounding him, obviously because of the launguage barrier he’s wank on the mic and his all round style just doesn’t wash, he comes across as slow and boring i don’t see his supposed ‘strong style’.
Even after his heel turn (which is gonna crash and burn btw) those weird little baby kicks he was doing to Styles was just strange, kicked him 400 times with the power of a 10 year old girl.
He’s lost so many matches that there’s zero mystique surrounding him, obviously because of the launguage barrier he’s wank on the mic and his all round style just doesn’t wash, he comes across as slow and boring i don’t see his supposed ‘strong style’.
Even after his heel turn (which is gonna crash and burn btw) those weird little baby kicks he was doing to Styles was just strange, kicked him 400 times with the power of a 10 year old girl.
I'll have you know, that 10 year old girl is called Nicholas and is one half of the RAW tag team champions.