Difference is we're still filthy rich. AC Milan wishes they had the kind of money we have. All it takes is one great managerial appointment and three great transfer windows, some investment into modernising our coaching and we'll be competing again. We have the money for it.
This could just be the beginning of our decline
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Difference is we're still filthy rich. AC Milan wishes they had the kind of money we have. All it takes is one great managerial appointment and three great transfer windows, some investment into modernising our coaching and we'll be competing again. We have the money for it.
Ten Hag + a proper rebuild without CL for a few years will be a blessing in disguise if the board let it happend. No more buying the obvious shirt selling best talent and past it players, but rather proper scouting for players who wants to come and give their best. Just look at Pools signings over the last 6-7 years. Most of them probably didnt demanded CL qualification or was players every top club wanted. It was hungry players who was top motivated to be a part of Klopps philosophy.
We are slipping downwards in the rich list. The latest Deloitte list says we are 5th. Our brand value is bound to diminish after years of irrelevance. When we were successful as heck we had the upper hand while finalizing any commercial contract. Now gradually brands will want to dissociate with us and tie up with clubs which are successful now with whom the young generation connects well. As you said, we may have the money for it now. But we won't always if we can't find our feet fast.
This is where I'm at.
Get in players who will run through brick walls for their manager. No questioning of methods or spitting dummies out.
Buy into the regime, or feck off. It's why the next manager is going to need the time and space to develop this.
I doubt that. They’ve been in the Champions League consistently over that period of time, it impacts on who they can get and who they can afford. If you think about their key players, I don’t see any of them going there without Champions League. Let alone them being able to spent £150 million on a centre back and keeper.
We don’t have to be out of the Champions League in order to sign to stop signing past it players.
Great thread, would read again.
So the United forum is in a depressing state right now.
You think Salah, Mane, Firimnho, Robertson, Elliott at the time had a CL qualification as a demand ? Up to that point Liverpool didnt qualified for the CL more consistently then us. Maybe Van Dijk and Allisson had, but at that time it was so clear Klopps project was going somewere so maybe not. Thiago probably had CL as a demand though.
Talk about over the top reactions, Jesus
this Is why football happens in cycles, is impossible to stay at the top indefinitely
this Is why football happens in cycles, is impossible to stay at the top indefinitely
Cheer up pal
Rashy is about to sign a new contract
Rashy is about to sign a new contract
I’d say that from that list Salah, Robertson, Elliot (not sure why he’s on the list) all joined while Liverpool had Champions League football secured, so might not have been a demand, but certainly could have impacted their decision. I don’t even think they could have spent what they did in 17/18 without CL football, so yeah I’m going to say it’s important.
These players you’re asking us to sign will do so with or without CL football, so there is no benefit for not qualifying.
We have all the components to challenge for the league in any given season if someone can find a solution to whatever it is that's causing most of our squad to play at 50% of their previously proven capacity. We've got 2nd place twice in the last four seasons, and while we weren't really close on either occasion, it could have been a legitimate challenge if our entire squad wasn't out of form fully half the time. We're evidently able to attract big signings despite all the issues at the club, and looking at the managers who will be available this summer, I don't see any we would want who could possibly consider Manchester United beneath them. Realistically, the biggest managerial changes this summer will be Poch, ETH, and maybe Conte if he walks. Nobody in their right mind could say that none of those would deign to go to United. They might not do it in the end, but it won't be because it's not a good enough job for them.
People act as if we've been relegated or put into administration or something. Things have been bad on the pitch for a long time, and the board is an obvious problem, but we're not miles away from progress and there's a very real possibility at the start of every season that we could challenge for trophies. If we get the right manager, and if the board realizes that it takes more than businessmen to run a football club, which they seem to have begun to acknowledge with the appointment of Rangnick, we could absolutely win trophies again within two years.
People act as if we've been relegated or put into administration or something. Things have been bad on the pitch for a long time, and the board is an obvious problem, but we're not miles away from progress and there's a very real possibility at the start of every season that we could challenge for trophies. If we get the right manager, and if the board realizes that it takes more than businessmen to run a football club, which they seem to have begun to acknowledge with the appointment of Rangnick, we could absolutely win trophies again within two years.
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It's outdated. Look at the stats reported for Liverpool won the league 18 times and euro Cup 5 times. We still might be top, but just saying
Nice response. Especially this bit ......... if someone can find a solution to whatever it is that's causing most of our squad to play at 50% of their previously proven capacity. ...........
That seems to be the crux of the issue.
Did you watch the game on Saturday ?
I did. Why?
Look here, drama queen: unless you haven't noticed most players want to play at the Premier League because:
- It has become a very marketable league and english clubs are full of wealth.
- Even small Premier League clubs have enough money to pay top wages
- Excluding Real Madrid and Barça, no other league have the same sex appeal as Premier League now.
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One of the best threads out there.
Hilarious thread.
Mata showed more idea than most of the bright young things that we have.
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I just read the op 
Good Lord, we're not were we should be due to mismanagement, but this is man utd, with our resources we'll just need to make sure the right people are in management (head coach, dof) to become a force again, we don't need to sign Haaland or Mbappe, look at the players Liverpool bought none of those guys would have turned us down if we were going for them now.
Good Lord, we're not were we should be due to mismanagement, but this is man utd, with our resources we'll just need to make sure the right people are in management (head coach, dof) to become a force again, we don't need to sign Haaland or Mbappe, look at the players Liverpool bought none of those guys would have turned us down if we were going for them now.
Our beginning of decline happened when SAF hired Moyes alongside a poor ageing team aswell.
This. We need more charcters like Bruno and less like Pogba (yes i know the former have been shite this season).
I’m Mata’s biggest fan. Wish he played more.
We were champions then, but didn't strengthen, and bought Fellani as a panic buy; whilst all the other top teams got stronger.
Criminal that it was allowed to happen.
This is tragic.
Refuse to be like the dippers
Liverpool won jack all for 30 years and in 4 years they are on the top of the rich list..
They built a team with 1 coach and some shrewd signings..
So let's hope we get a top coach and a few Bruno type signings
We will get world class manager cos we can pay that salary
i definitely think so. the decline is real. when people ask me if i like football and who i support i find i’d rather tell them that i’m a registered sex offender than tell them that i support united.
Decline is over, we can only be heading up the way now. Made more difficult by the emergence of Newcastle and their new owners and getting a good manager in themselves.
I'd honestly rather watch United in the Championship with a team of young players who give a frig than what I'm enduring now.