This business about Kewell...

hearing the gods words about europe looks like its gonna be ronnie
 
Originally posted by Raoul:
<strong>Didn't like it at first, but on second thought it would make perfect sense.


--------------------- Keeper ---------------------


- G Nev ----- Ferdinand -- Silvestre --- O'Shea --


-- Beckham ---- Keane ---- Scholes ---- Kewell ---


-------------------- Giggs -----------------------


----------------- Van Nistelrooy -----------------

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Raoul, there are many problems with your plan, the first among them being that Beckham will not be a United player next season.
 
Originally posted by giggzy:
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Well, following your original list of 4

1. You never know whether the Aussie shows up or not. Not good!

2. Have you ever seen him?

3. CB is not really a priority.

4. None of those will come to be 4th. Solskjaer is still perfect for the job. Buy Torres. Or if you want to make an impact Makaay! Did you see his volley tonight? Qué GOOOOOOOOOLAZO!

And to add to that.....

Do we not need a new keeper?

What about our fullback situation?

Should we not start looking for the replacement for Keane?

Etc.
 
Originally posted by RUDDY:
<strong>hearing the gods words about europe looks like its gonna be ronnie</strong><hr></blockquote>

he's got a lot of confidence in the team... i reckon they've got the same potential as the Busby Babes.. a few signings here and there...and Iam sure we'll rule Europe..
 
Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
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Well, following your original list of 4

1. You never know whether the Aussie shows up or not. Not good!

2. Have you ever seen him?

3. CB is not really a priority.

4. None of those will come to be 4th. Solskjaer is still perfect for the job. Buy Torres. Or if you want to make an impact Makaay! Did you see his volley tonight? Qué GOOOOOOOOOLAZO!

And to add to that.....

Do we not need a new keeper?

What about our fullback situation?

Should we not start looking for the replacement for Keane?

Etc.</strong><hr></blockquote>

1. SAF will get the best out of him... peeps said the same about Eric.

2. yes, unlike many on here I don't talk about players I haven't seen play.

3. Mexes will come cheap...can't turn down that type of potential.

4. Do you think any of the strikers I've mentioned aren't good enough to start? they are quality strikers, better than forlan and Ole.

5. Keane? wait and see... I suppose only Fergie can make an assessment on his future.. my gut feeling is that, he may have problems lasting...a full season.
 
Originally posted by giggzy:
<strong>4. Do you think any of the strikers I've mentioned aren't good enough to start? they are quality strikers, better than forlan and Ole.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I was sort of going along with you there until you said that about Solskjaer!

And you didn't answer the question regarding Makaay or Torres either.
 
Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
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I was sort of going along with you there until you said that about Solskjaer!

And you didn't answer the question regarding Makaay or Torres either.</strong><hr></blockquote>


Not seen much of Makaay.. the rear occassion I've seen him play he's not impressed me... but reading people's opinions on here, he's meant to be a very good striker.

Torres?? do u rate him? I've never seen him play.

Btw- Ole's a very versatile player, I would not have any problems with him starting on the right next season.. class act.
 
Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
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Raoul, there are many problems with your plan, the first among them being that Beckham will not be a United player next season.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Well I guess we'll have to save this thread then to find out which one of us is living in a drunken fantasy world.
 
1)Versatile fullback:
Escude

2)Quality defensive midfielder/Box-Box player:
Baraja

3)Wing Cover:
a)Quaresma or JoeCole.
b)If Becks leaves we can buy Van der Vaart and Joaquin from that money.

4)Keeper: Rustu

5)A world class striking partner to Ruud/capable
of playing the role of the withdrawn striker.
Ronaldinho Kluivert Lopez.
My Choice:Lopez

6)Free transfer:Bellion

7)CB: no need to get anyone.From next season Keane might be our new CB.

#Don't buy any player from the Leeds.

#Players like Parker,Kewell,Mjamba..are good but they aint excellent are they?We need players who are capable of delivering in Eroupe.
 
Strange that you say Kewell isn't great and yet advocate the likes of Joe Cole and Escude...
 
Duff is a better player than Kewell,hes much more consistent and he has much better positional sense.He is also a better dribbler.To say that Kewell is leagues better than Duff is nonsense.Damien Duff will be a Manchester Utd player next season.
 
Originally posted by benny:
<strong>Duff is a better player than Kewell,hes much more consistent and he has much better positional sense.He is also a better dribbler.To say that Kewell is leagues better than Duff is nonsense.Damien Duff will be a Manchester Utd player next season.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Duff is more consistent, yes when he played against us in this season he was consistently poor <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> He is a better dribbler? I don't think so. Kewell is far more skillful and control the ball much better. Added that he has better scoring ability. His goal against England and Arsenal yesterday have perfectly proved his class.

And I don't think he is lazy, as someone has said before.
 
Kewell is class in the same way Figo is class. Kewell playing for us would easily be in the top range of stars. He is silky and skillful and wouldnt look out of place at Real.

However Duff is awesome for different reasons. He is like Becks, he always performs, always hurts teams - albeit not always in an attracive or attention grabbing way. Remember Giggs in his prime ripping through Juventus at will? Kewell could not do that.

Duff has the fight and resilience to do this for most of the game. He just gets the ball, holds onto it and runs, not always pretty, but pretty damn effective. Remember the world cup?

Kewell is like the new Giggs, devastating on his day, but sometimes not effective. he is more like an artist of the game. if things werent happening for Duff, he would make it happen.

I reckon Duff is one of the hardest men to get off the ball just cos he fights so hard.

I'm big fans of both of them and would love to see both arrive. But I think Duff edges it, because what he has is so rare.

He can be the stubborn little spark running rampant through the opposition. He has that quality of the old Giggs that every team in the world values so much. Its the quality which made Giggs one of the most sought after players, even though he doesnt do the most legovers or have the best deliveries. He has that little something that defenders hate. Now that Giggs isnt quite as sparky, Duff is the only man who can fill that role.
 
posh wouldnt allow kewell to sign

what with his wife being beautiful

its just not allowed
 
Doesn't Duff miss 15 games a season through injury?
 
Originally posted by Raoul:
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Well I guess we'll have to save this thread then to find out which one of us is living in a drunken fantasy world.</strong><hr></blockquote>

You really think that either:

1. Real Madrid do not want him.

2. We would not sell even if they did and offered big money.

I know you dont want him to go, neither do I, but if they do make an offer of a particular amount, it would be stupid to say no.
 
Originally posted by giggzy:
<strong>Not seen much of Makaay.. the rear occassion I've seen him play he's not impressed me... but reading people's opinions on here, he's meant to be a very good striker.

Torres?? do u rate him? I've never seen him play.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Regarding Makaay, class player. Highest scorer in Spain (got a hat-trick last night), has 9 in the CL too I think. Would work very well next to Ruud.

Torres, best young striker in Europe IMO. People talk of Portillo, there is no comparison.
 
Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
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I know you dont want him to go, neither do I, but if they do make an offer of a particular amount, it would be stupid to say no.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Depends Weaste. If he doesn't want to go, then we can't sell him.

Anyway, kenyon said that he's deffo staying... (make what you want out of that.)
 
Originally posted by giggzy:
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Depends Weaste. If he doesn't want to go, then we can't sell him. </strong><hr></blockquote>

I know that. Had a big argument about it in a thread last week.
 
Originally posted by giggzy:
<strong>Anyway, kenyon said that he's deffo staying... (make what you want out of that.)</strong><hr></blockquote>

This is the part that puzzles me. I thought we had a policy of not commenting on rumour?

If there was nothing in it both clubs would keep their mouths shut.
 
Originally posted by Raoul:
<strong>Strange that you say Kewell isn't great and yet advocate the likes of Joe Cole and Escude...</strong><hr></blockquote>
Escude is considered only as the full back cover.As for Joe Cole he is wonderfully talented.
If Beckham goes there is no need to go for Joe Cole.We can get Joaquin and Van der Vaart.
 
Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
<strong>

You really think that either:

1. Real Madrid do not want him.

2. We would not sell even if they did and offered big money.

I know you dont want him to go, neither do I, but if they do make an offer of a particular amount, it would be stupid to say no.</strong><hr></blockquote>

You're assuming that the Real rumour is legit. It could just be a bunch of crap stirred up by the press to sell papers. I'm not compelled to believe anything since 99% of all rumours are absolute rubbish. Remember - Beckham sells papers. Don't believe the hype.
 
Originally posted by Raoul:
<strong>Don't believe the hype.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I don't. So why do both clubs seem to be so eager to dismiss the rumour? Why are they not keeping their mouths shut?
 
Originally posted by vijay_vr:
<strong>
Escude is considered only as the full back cover.As for Joe Cole he is wonderfully talented.
If Beckham goes there is no need to go for Joe Cole.We can get Joaquin and Van der Vaart.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Joe Cole's pants.

and have you seen Bellion, Escude, Mjemba and co play?

there are too many CM fans on here.
 
Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
<strong>

This is the part that puzzles me. I thought we had a policy of not commenting on rumour?

If there was nothing in it both clubs would keep their mouths shut.</strong><hr></blockquote>


I think there's deffo something going on...

but Kenyon's denied it, again today... suppose we're all guessing, only Becks himself knows where he'll play next season.

Ideal situation is, he stays and SIGNs a new contract... if he doesn't then its best we cash in.
 
Originally posted by giggzy:
<strong>

Joe Cole's pants.

and have you seen Bellion, Escude, Mjemba and co play?

there are too many CM fans on here.</strong><hr></blockquote>
CM fans..Sorry i dont have time to buy that toy. ;)

I've seen little of Bellion but if he is available for free we can take him.Escude is good.If Beckham and Giggs stays on can you keep Kewell and Duff on the Bench?
 
Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
<strong>

I don't. So why do both clubs seem to be so eager to dismiss the rumour? Why are they not keeping their mouths shut?</strong><hr></blockquote>

I don't know. You could make a similar arguement to support either conclusion. If the clubs are willing to dismiss the rumour then it must be true. If the clubs remain silent and don't dismiss anything, then it must be true. People can therefore believe what they want to, but I have no reason to lend any credibility to any of this until there is some legitimate proof available to the public...which there isn't.
 
Originally posted by vijay_vr:
<strong>
CM fans..Sorry i dont have time to buy that toy. ;)

I've seen little of Bellion but if he is available for free we can take him.Escude is good.If Beckham and Giggs stays can you keep Kewell and Duff on the Bench.</strong><hr></blockquote>


Bellion, suppose he's worth a punt like Arnie said.

I've watched Kewell alot over the last few yers...and he's always struck me as a quality player. He's one of the few players in the PL, who can improve our team/squad. Someone compared him to Figo, I think thats a good comparison... Harry's not lightening quick, but he's fast enough, he's got great feet, excellent dribbling skills, good cross, decent shot..etc etc. Now, he's got the ability, but he's not consistent... well, I know a manager who can get the best out of him. ;)


note- I wanted us to buy before yesterdays performance...you can scroll back and check. ;)

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Originally posted by Dans:
<strong>Doesn't Duff miss 15 games a season through injury?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Nobody seems to think this an issue. Well I do, so I looked up his stats. He's played 25 league games this season, that's just 5 more than the famous sicknote himself and incidentally 10 less than our own Ryan Giggs.
 
Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
<strong>

I don't. So why do both clubs seem to be so eager to dismiss the rumour? Why are they not keeping their mouths shut?</strong><hr></blockquote>

<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />

If both of them don't say anything -&gt; "Hey, the rumour must be true! Otherwise why don't the clubs just deny it?"

If both of them deny it -&gt; "The rumour must be true! why do both clubs seem to be so eager to dismiss the rumour?"

So the speculation must be true, no matter what
<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />

It's not what you think, it's what you WANT to think which really matter. I've said the same thing after the "flying boot" incident. At that time some people here WANT to believe there is a big conflict, WANT to believe Beckham requested an apology from SAF and so on, thus they slammed beckham and said we should get rid of him, do a personal judgment base on their hate on Beckham without any concrete proof or evidence in their hands.

The same thing happens again now. Why people "choose" to believe on Beckham's exit themselves? I think the reason is simple and obvious.
 
If what we want happens, i.e. Giggs & Becks stay, I don't think we'll get beyond 2-3 incoming players ( one keeper, one attacking midfielder cum striker, & possibly one strong C/B ).

We then have to look at the present squad & see which of the players likely to go will command a decent enuf fee - I reckon Barthez & Phil, if they leave, will recoup some £8 mil pounds, Chadwick will bring £1.5 mil, May goes for free.

That'll add into our transfer coffers & I'd like to see it spent on Kewell & Rustu comes free.

As I indicated in another thread, where was Robinson against Arsenal?

Overweight, poor positioning, nervous ( did he save a single shot? ) - doesn't seem the same player of potential of 2 seasons ago - & if he comes, he'll be overpriced!

A possible C/B target?

Mexes is too young, Hofland is too injured & passe - Van Buyten?
 
Firstly I don't think Philip Neville will go anywhere.

Secondly I have to agree with Waste that we don't need a CB at least not unless we are selling one of our existing CBs.

Thirdly, how do you mean Hofland is passe out of interest? He's about 24 I think.

Interesting what you say about Robinson - could he have had a bad day perhaps? How has he played all season?

Definitely don't want Rustu - he'll be a Taibi just waiting to happen.
 
Originally posted by vijay_vr:
<strong>why should we need a new CB? we already have 5 players who can do that.</strong><hr></blockquote>

From football365:

Ferguson will now search for the defensive experience required to stop the rampaging Real Madrid forwards running through his team as they did on two separate occasions last month and also look for the creative cunning which can unlock the meanest defences.

``We have to address the issue of the European Cup because it is not good enough for a side like ours to have only won it twice,'' said the United chief.

``Our form at times has been terrific and we have not had the best of luck but we must demand more of ourselves.

``We've got some young defenders who've got to improve. We don't have the same level of experience as Juventus and Real Madrid.

``They will improve but we need it to develop and get to a level where we can win the European Cup again.
 
Originally posted by Dans:
<strong>

Nobody seems to think this an issue. Well I do, so I looked up his stats. He's played 25 league games this season, that's just 5 more than the famous sicknote himself and incidentally 10 less than our own Ryan Giggs.</strong><hr></blockquote>

its a good point

thats why id have kewell insted

better player and will cost far less

duff for 25m? laughable
 
Originally posted by uranushk1:
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From football365:

Ferguson will now search for the defensive experience required to stop the rampaging Real Madrid forwards running through his team as they did on two separate occasions last month and also look for the creative cunning which can unlock the meanest defences.

``We have to address the issue of the European Cup because it is not good enough for a side like ours to have only won it twice,'' said the United chief.

``Our form at times has been terrific and we have not had the best of luck but we must demand more of ourselves.

``We've got some young defenders who've got to improve. We don't have the same level of experience as Juventus and Real Madrid.

``They will improve but we need it to develop and get to a level where we can win the European Cup again.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yes our defense needs leadership at the back.Roy Keane can provide that if he plays as the CB.He performed wonderfully well against Juventus.So whats the point getting some young kids?
 
Originally posted by vijay_vr:
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Yes our defense needs leadership at the back.Roy Keane can provide that if he plays as the CB.He performed wonderfully well against Juventus.So whats the point getting some young kids?</strong><hr></blockquote>

The question is who played in CM if Keane played at the back. Butt and Phil Neville didn't seem good enough to completely replace Keano at this moment.