This business about Kewell...

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Didn't like it at first, but on second thought it would make perfect sense.


--------------------- Keeper ---------------------


- G Nev ----- Ferdinand -- Silvestre --- O'Shea --


-- Beckham ---- Keane ---- Scholes ---- Kewell ---


-------------------- Giggs -----------------------


----------------- Van Nistelrooy -----------------

Hence...

Out: Barthez, Chadwick, Blanc
In: Kewell, Quaresma, Mexes

which would leave us with excellent depth across the board:

GK: Carrol, Ricardo, Steele
LB: O'Shea, Silvestre
CB: Ferdinand, Brown
CB: Silvestre, Mexes
RB: G Neville, O'Shea
LW: Kewell, Giggs, Richardson
CM: Scholes, Veron, P Neville
CM: Keane, Butt, Fortune
RM: Beckham, Quaresma, Solskjaer
AM: Giggs, Scholes, Forlan
ST: Van Nistelrooy, Solskjaer

If we could get Kewell for 6m then it would make perfect sense to do so.
 
Well the good thing is that SAF has options to work with.

1. He could buy Kewell and play him as a LW or AM (as above).

2. He could buy Ronaldinhio and slot him in behind Ruud; thus leaving the midfield alone.

3. Or he could buy a player like Cisse and we could go back to 4-4-2. The thought of Cisse benefiting from Beckham crosses and Giggsy runs is scary.
 
Originally posted by CremboMan:
<strong>Who's Keeper ? is he any good ?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Don't you know, he's the best!

I mean, after all he's got a position named after him......
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Still want a true striker and not emergency ones like Giggs, Kewell or Scholes
 
Originally posted by Jens:
<strong>Still want a true striker </strong><hr></blockquote>

Like.....Cissè?

Who else is there available?
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Originally posted by Jens:
<strong>Still want a true striker and not emergency ones like Giggs, Kewell or Scholes</strong><hr></blockquote>

There aren't exactly loads of United calibre strikers who are lining up to play second fiddle to Ruud. Whatever gets us the points is what I want.
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Originally posted by Raoul:
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In: Kewell, Quaresma, Mexes
</strong><hr></blockquote>

Mexes- :) I want too many players, alot of frenchies are saying Mexes' time has come to take over from Desailly and co. A few weeks ago they said the french FA rejected the sneaky buy-out clause in his new contract, but more recently they said its still unresolved- the clause is for 1.75mil( for nothing). With Larry going and JOS doing the biz on the flanks then a CB may a target, but there is still Wes and even Keano to figure into this.

Kewell for 6mil, hard to refuse if a little unbelieveable- 6mil.

Quaresma consistently liked all season, the future at RW or LW. Just looks like a solid quality buy; young, versatile, and at a decent price. BTW the U21 are on portugese tv in the US on Wednesday.

All of the above are quality players that would give depth where we need it.
We would still look one quality forward light. Its an area where we need more depth; Ole and Diego are a good supporting cast but a forward like Roni or Cisse is still required.
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Originally posted by Jens:
<strong>Still want a true striker and not emergency ones like Giggs, Kewell or Scholes</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yes and Cisse though a little raw would be do nicely, he has the ability. We have been very lucky with RVN's fitness, if he had gone down for a couple of months we would all be asking for a quality forward as partner/cover as an obvious requirement.
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agee with Raoul...

GK: Carrol, Ricardo, Steele
LB: O'Shea, Silvestre
CB: Ferdinand, Brown
CB: Silvestre, Mexes
RB: G Neville, O'Shea
LW: Kewell, Giggs, Richardson
CM: Scholes, Veron, P Neville
CM: Keane, Butt, Fortune
RM: Beckham, Quaresma, Solskjaer
AM: Giggs, Scholes, Forlan
ST: Van Nistelrooy, Solskjaer

BUT I THINK WE NEED ANOTHER KEEPER!
 
Originally posted by Raoul:
<strong>Didn't like it at first, but on second thought it would make perfect sense.


--------------------- Keeper ---------------------


- G Nev ----- Ferdinand -- Silvestre --- O'Shea --


-- Beckham ---- Keane ---- Scholes ---- Kewell ---


-------------------- Giggs -----------------------


----------------- Van Nistelrooy -----------------

Hence...

Out: Barthez, Chadwick, Blanc
In: Kewell, Quaresma, Mexes

which would leave us with excellent depth across the board:

GK: Carrol, Ricardo, Steele
LB: O'Shea, Silvestre
CB: Ferdinand, Brown
CB: Silvestre, Mexes
RB: G Neville, O'Shea
LW: Kewell, Giggs, Richardson
CM: Scholes, Veron, P Neville
CM: Keane, Butt, Fortune
RM: Beckham, Quaresma, Solskjaer
AM: Giggs, Scholes, Forlan
ST: Van Nistelrooy, Solskjaer

If we could get Kewell for 6m then it would make perfect sense to do so.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Whose the keeper?

We need to purchase a top class one.
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It would be sensational if we could pry Cudicini from Chelsea.

Would Mexes like being behind in the pecking order when he could be first-choice at a lot of clubs? He's hardly declared his love of United to my knowledge, so he'd want to play I assume.

BTW what exactly has Brown done to become a back-up in many people's books? IMO he's still assured and one of the best young defenders in the league. I'd have no problems with him taking Gary's place.
 
Originally posted by Raoul:
<strong>LB: O'Shea, Silvestre
CB: Ferdinand, Brown
CB: Silvestre, Mexes
RB: G Neville, O'Shea
</strong><hr></blockquote>Can O'Shea not play centre-back anymore? :confused:

Brown would play at right-back ahead of O'Shea imo.
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Originally posted by Gazza:
<strong>Can O'Shea not play centre-back anymore? :confused:

Brown would play at right-back ahead of O'Shea imo.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Brown is not effective enough as a RB, especially in the context of our game in which we do rely on our FB to support attack on the wings. His best position is that of an outright CB. O'Shea is more versatile and makes a much better FB than Brown, based on that.
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Agree Gary is possibly the best going forward, but Wes at least has experience on that side. O'Shea has played what, three games on the right? Since Brown has been playing a lot on the right recently, it says a fair bit on how Ferguson wants to use him in the future. I believe he might want to faze Gary out pretty soon.
 
I think Barthez is not confident of himself after he was left out during the last EPL match. He was afraid that Sir Alex would dump him. Well,I still praise him for his efforts this season and will still think that if we're champion, he has an important role for our success. But then, I would still think that Sir Alex shd get one solid goalkeeper like Robinson (Leeds) who has done well for his club or Niemi (Southampton). I don't think Rustu (Turkey) could join us. I agreed that it's quite possible now that we can get Kewell (to be our LW or AM - just behind Rudd). Giggs can also play alongside Rudd that leaves us our midfield comprising Beckham (if he stays - on the right) or Ole, Keane and Scholes in the middle and Kewell on the left wing (Fortune back-up for Kewell or Keane), subs: Veron (he can play more for us during the CL campaign), Phil and Butt.
 
yeah..i have to admit that gary is a more complete full back than Brown..
but Brown is the one for future and have lots of potential..he seems to be clueless when he got the ball in attacking position in those matches that he played as full back..
hope that wes brown will be better at crossing and get more confidence in his attacking play next season..
 
Originally posted by Gazza:
<strong>Can O'Shea not play centre-back anymore? :confused:

Brown would play at right-back ahead of O'Shea imo.</strong><hr></blockquote>

JOS is the best fullback we have now IMO, RB or LB, and he will only get better :)
Wes is not really a RB.
Mexes would be a few notches above Wes IMO, temperment-wise he is stronger and more aggressive, technically he's also better, he has plenty of confidence and Charisma, he'd be great to have. LaRoux paid Mexes quite a compliment; he said while he was not as comfortable as Blanc(whom he also coached) at bringing the ball upfield, but defensively he is stronger than 'le president'.
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I don't think we need any wholesale change & should retain Becks & Giggs.

However, we need tightening/strengthening in 3 places - goalkeeping ( if Barthez leaves ), left midfield & one more striker.

Taking into consideration the PLC's tightness, Rustu's on a free this summer.

I believe Kewell can come for £10 million & he can interchange with Giggs the Left Midfield/Striker role.

With Tweety & O'Shea proving their versatility, together with Rio, Brown & the 2 Nevilles, our backline seems ok at the present moment.

Thus, with just £10 million for 2 newcomers who'll greatly strengthen our squad, we can look more confidently towards European glory next season!
 
Originally posted by Raoul:
<strong>

Looks like he'll end up at Bayern next year.</strong><hr></blockquote>

They always get them cheap and good. They're offloading the useless Elber and I bet you they'll get Makaay for 2-5 million or something like that.
Germans are the best bargain hunters around.
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Originally posted by Raoul:
<strong>

Looks like he'll end up at Bayern next year.</strong><hr></blockquote>

dont believe everything you read. dont see why depor should sell
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Originally posted by jamesblonde:
<strong>

They always get them cheap and good. They're offloading the useless Elber and I bet you they'll get Makaay for 2-5 million or something like that.
Germans are the best bargain hunters around.</strong><hr></blockquote>


elber useless? 16 goals in 29 matches ... only 2 of them away, mind
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Originally posted by Raoul:
<strong>

Looks like he'll end up at Bayern next year.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Really? I'd actually go and watch them for a few games if he moved there.
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About Bartez

Originally posted by amourboy:
<strong>I still praise him for his efforts this season and will still think that if we're champion, he has an important role for our success.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Fab has been dodgy on occasions recently but has still had a very good season, he has saved us quite a few times. Last year was a nightmare, possibly due to personal problems. Whenever he makes a mistake people seem to pick up on it and remember last years 'eccentricities'. Even Schmikes made a few shocking mistakes. With goalies, mistakes often cost a goal. I still think Fab's among the best.
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Originally posted by Gazza:
<strong>Goalkeeper candidates:

Robinson
Cudicini
Friedel
Niemi

IMO. ;) </strong><hr></blockquote>

So many choices. I would take Robinson purely because he is young and could be with the club a long time. Problem is the other three are fantastic too. I, being an American am partial to Friedel. Cudicini and Neimi tho are terrific too. Watching Cudicini in the FA Cup against the Gooners was amazing.
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I love this boy Kewell. Quite a class act and would add tremendous quality to our side! It would be great to see him and Giggs play together as Raoul suggests!

Cracker of a goal today!
 
hmmm no space for Veron in the middle and no space for Scholes in his new best position - behhind Ruud. His original position too I might add and where he always belonged IMO.

This is why I dont want Ronaldinho, because we have Scholes to do his job and probably do it better. If Ronaldinho can play as a lone front man and do it better than Yorke/Cole then bring him in, but I wasnt aware he is that kind of player.

Kewell is a £20m+ rated player, if we can get him for under £10m we should get him! But Kewell coming in means the the beginning of the end for Giggs. Not necessarily a sale, but he will be on the bench abit more. Giggs down the middle is a no-no, Scholes and Kewell both do it better than him.

sorry Raoul i dont agree with your ideas. it crushes all the good work we have done this season. Scholes progress behind Ruud, Veron coming good domestically as well as in europe, the new formation tearing apart all before it...

Veron can be the heartbeat of our midfield for the next few years. I believe in him, definitely.

That said I think Kewell or Duff should definitely be looked at for the long-term.
 
Originally posted by ShAoLiN_ChRoNiC:
<strong>hmmm no space for Veron in the middle and no space for Scholes in his new best position - behhind Ruud. His original position too I might add and where he always belonged IMO.

This is why I dont want Ronaldinho, because we have Scholes to do his job and probably do it better. If Ronaldinho can play as a lone front man and do it better than Yorke/Cole then bring him in, but I wasnt aware he is that kind of player.

Kewell is a £20m+ rated player, if we can get him for under £10m we should get him! But Kewell coming in means the the beginning of the end for Giggs. Not necessarily a sale, but he will be on the bench abit more. Giggs down the middle is a no-no, Scholes and Kewell both do it better than him.

sorry Raoul i dont agree with your ideas. it crushes all the good work we have done this season. Scholes progress behind Ruud, Veron coming good domestically as well as in europe, the new formation tearing apart all before it...

Veron can be the heartbeat of our midfield for the next few years. I believe in him, definitely.

That said I think Kewell or Duff should definitely be looked at for the long-term.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I will discuss about this more later... At this time, I too busy savoring the moment. Catch you guys on arguments later ;)
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Originally posted by ShAoLiN_ChRoNiC:
<strong>hmmm no space for Veron in the middle and no space for Scholes in his new best position - behhind Ruud. His original position too I might add and where he always belonged IMO.

This is why I dont want Ronaldinho, because we have Scholes to do his job and probably do it better. If Ronaldinho can play as a lone front man and do it better than Yorke/Cole then bring him in, but I wasnt aware he is that kind of player.

Kewell is a £20m+ rated player, if we can get him for under £10m we should get him! But Kewell coming in means the the beginning of the end for Giggs. Not necessarily a sale, but he will be on the bench abit more. Giggs down the middle is a no-no, Scholes and Kewell both do it better than him.

sorry Raoul i dont agree with your ideas. it crushes all the good work we have done this season. Scholes progress behind Ruud, Veron coming good domestically as well as in europe, the new formation tearing apart all before it...

Veron can be the heartbeat of our midfield for the next few years. I believe in him, definitely.

That said I think Kewell or Duff should definitely be looked at for the long-term.</strong><hr></blockquote>

agree with this. Scholes has just had an amazing season. Unless Seba or Scholes move on, i honestly dont see how we're going to fit Ronaldinho into the side.
Kewell, if hes for sale at under 10mill would be a far better option than Duff.
Though i must admit my preference would be for the young portuguese fella.
Dont particularly think we need to bring in any more cb's as suggested in this thread, though if Mexes was available for under 2mill it would be impossible to turn down.
I do think we need another out and out striker though. The thought that Ruud and Ole might get injured in the same period scares me.
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I could see next season:

Robinson

Brown Ferdinand O'Shea

Keane

Duff Veron Scholes Kewell


Ronaldinho

Ruud

Keane could link between midfield and defence, supporting Rio, when under pressure or joining midfield to pressurise teams when attacking.

Duff and Kewell would provide the ability to beat players down the wings and great pace. Ronaldinho has the skill to unlock defences and create space for Ruud.
 
Veron, get real ! The suits will not spend loads on Kewell, Duff or Renaldino ! If we are lucky United will sign ONE of the above.

Personally would like to see Duffer signed (being Irish) and as Kewell is more inconsistant.

Plus maybe Bellion on a free .
 
Kewells better than Duff...infact he's in a different league.. according to rumours he's off to OT for 6-7million.. now thats a fecking steal.

Here's who I want:

Kewell - proven class.
Quaresma - awesome potential.
Mexes - will become an class CB
Kluivert/Aimar/Ronny/Cisse - any of them will do.
 
Giggzy has his assessment appointment tomorrow, he should never have been let out the last time.
 
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