They can't guarantee him what he really wants, game time. ...apparently.
Thiago Alcantara | Signed for Bayern Munich
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They can't guarantee him what he really wants, game time. ...apparently.
Because despite all the posturing Barcelona are doing, they probably want rid of him so they can improve their depth in defense and to replace Valdes.
I can't see it. Too many good players at Bayern who play in that position. He seems to play deep - is he going to take Schweinsteiger or Martinez' place? Not for me.
It's easy to assume that just because he's from Barcelona he loves Pep Guardiola and will want to follow him. Pep might rate him but I didnt see him pushing him into the first team - he'd rather have Cesc Fabregas seemingly.
He's a Barca youth player so probably doesnt want to leave - if he does it'll be a big step and will be for the good of his career. He needs to play, and at United he'd be guaranteed that.
Uhm... Not like Nani has the quality ahead of him that Thiago has at Barca...
Inestia, Xavi, and Fabergas rate a little higher than Valencia, and Young don't ya think?
That's not really what I meant. Nani want's more game time & SAF couldn't promise him that because he preferred to play out of form wingers instead.
Your general point is right but that line is wrong. Pep did start to push Thiago into the first team - he gave the lad 38 starts and 16 sub appearances in his last season. The problem for Thiago is Vilanova, who seems to have decided to favour Fabregas. Fabregas' appearances have increased massively under Tito, whilst Thiago's have halved. So there is a reasonable argument that he sees Pep as the manager who trusted him and brought him through, and who might do the same at Bayern.
That said, I don't think you make such an upheaval, talk about wanting more playing time, and leave your boyhood club just to go to a club where you have, at best, a slightly better chance of getting games. So like I say in essence I agree with you, he's highly unlikely to go to Bayern.
I feel the thread-title has jinxed this transfer somehow.
Maybe Pep does rate him higher - but he wasnt a first choice at Barca, quite simply because he had better players in front of him, and arguably still does. in his chosen position.
Whether he's better than Fabregas I suppose is a moot point given that Fabregas isnt a first choice in central midfield either - seemingly pushed outside on the left or played through the middle on occiaiosn. Its pertinent though that the club spent a lot of money bringing back a youth team player and will probably be loathe to sell him and admit it was a failure. Hence why they seem to crowbar him in to the side when they can.
I agree with your last point entirely. He's a player that most teams would want because of his ability. But most of the worlds best sides already have top players in central midfield - hence why they're as good as they are. We're the exception, we seem to have made the running and by all accounts have been interested in him for years. Its a transfer that seems to make a lot of sense.
Me too. Get a feeling of this will never happen
In general I agree with you but those numbers seem to be wrong. According to transfermarkt in 11/12 he had 42 games in total in league, copa and CL and only started in 26 of these games. As far as I know the contract situation was the same last year, he didn't play enough, so his release clause dropped to 18m. The difference is, now he seems to loose patience and actually considers a move to another club.
Yep you may be right about those numbers. I got them from here - http://espnfc.com/player/_/id/135293/thiago-alcántara-do-nascimiento?cc=5739 - but just noticed his games for Spain are also included.
He'll end up at Bayern, won't he?
Nah. United. He's got no bezzy mates at Bayern. You can't be bezzy mates with your boss, so Pep doesn't count. We've got Big Dave. Bromance. The Spanish Joey and Chandler.
They already have many players in his position. Man Utd is the only place he can go to be a guaranteed starter.
That would be a little odd I think. Bayern and Barca are both fantastic teams. Have to assume that the main reason he wants to leave is playing time, and though Bayern don't have the same embarrassment of midfield riches as Barca (Song, Busquets, Thiago, Xavi, Iniesta, Fabregas, Mascherano playing in defence - incredible, really, they probably have about 6 midfielders who would get in our first team) he's not going to be the main man in the middle with Martinez and Schweinsteiger around, and Bayern already have a problem picking from Ribery, Robben, Kroos, Goetze, Muller, Shaqiri for the attacking 3. He really would be better off here where he would be the main playmaker and a definite first choice. Not so sure Pep is such a big draw either; it's not like he played him very much.
I think the main concern will be that he will stay at Barca and get a juicy new contract and some guarantees of more games.
I think I would rather that happened than see a player become available for such a low price, and still lose out to Bayern or Madrid. Even worse if he picked Chelsea or City. I'd be less cut up about it if he stayed at Barca, although Tito has allegedly ruled out a new contract for him
And he's Brazil... who wouldn't love Anderson!!?
He'd get good money and guarantee of even MORE games at United. And if he really wants to make it into the Spain WC squad, he just HAS to play. Barca have no obligation to play him if he signed an enhanced contract, even if they kinda "promised" more games!
I agree.
But I do also see Thiago as really getting close to Xavi's level now, with the latter slowing down a bit... and currently I think you have to say that Barcelona, Bayern and Real are a little above the level of any club in England so it will take something to prize a key asset from any of them.
But I do also see Thiago as really getting close to Xavi's level now, with the latter slowing down a bit... and currently I think you have to say that Barcelona, Bayern and Real are a little above the level of any club in England so it will take something to prize a key asset from any of them.
"prise" a key asset, even. Not really, if Thiago wants to go, he'll go.
It depends if either of those are actually looking at him, considering the squads they have, and how they struggle to fit everyone in as it is. There's clearly concrete evidence we are trying to strike a deal with him and Barca. Perhaps I'm too optimistic, but I don't believe Bayern and Madrid are actually looking to buy him.
Barca are saying to Thiago
'wait in line and be happy earning much less than you could, the privilege of being at the greatest club in the universe should be enough for you'
Thiago is saying
'no taa'
'wait in line and be happy earning much less than you could, the privilege of being at the greatest club in the universe should be enough for you'
Thiago is saying
'no taa'
I'd say that's a given. Dragging our heels on this one, same as Ronaldinho 10 years ago
How are we dragging our heels? We've seemingly made our offer and it's now upto Thiago to choose
The reaction here if Thiago joins Bayern 
Are we balls, nobody even knows what stage we are at. He could be announced tomorrow for all we know, transfers aren't simple and this one is complicated by the release clause and its also been slowed by the U21's championships.
Apparently we've been signing him for the last 4 weeks!
I think it's a given
If it's true that Pep has contacted him personally, then Bayern could be a real option.
It doesn't make much sense in terms of the competition for places there right now, but if he has an assurance from Pep personally that he will be higher in the pecking order than the talent Bayern already have, then that might be enough to eliminate the main counter-argument for him joining Bayern.
But then there is so much utter horseshit being "reported" that this alleged phone-call might never have happened.
I agree lets say if Guardiola wants him at Bayern and convince him that he will start games there, we are then fecked. Lets hope this does not happen.
Lord, our midfield will be fecked.
Moyes will be getting Scholes on the blower to come out of retirement again at this rate.
Moyes will be getting Scholes on the blower to come out of retirement again at this rate.
It's annoying how short-term and fickle everybody in football is... suddenly Bayern Munich are this massive lure, putting a club like ours in their shadow?
It's bollocks, we've won 5 of the last 7 Premier Legues, and it's only a couiple of years ago we were playing our 3rd Champions League Final in 4 years! No disrespect to Bayern, who are one of Europes great clubs, but they are not a bigger club than United.
It's bollocks, we've won 5 of the last 7 Premier Legues, and it's only a couiple of years ago we were playing our 3rd Champions League Final in 4 years! No disrespect to Bayern, who are one of Europes great clubs, but they are not a bigger club than United.
These bayern links aren't even reported in the german press. I still believe he'll be here next week.
No club is bigger than United, but it's fairly obvious Bayern would currently be more tempting a move than United right now. They play better football, have a more proven manager, see less rain, and won everything last season.
Of course they aren't, but worldwide, neither are Barca. In fact in terms of worldwide popularity, Madrid are the only one you could argue being as big/bigger than us, however right now Bayern have probably the best squad in Europe and therefore are a very attractive proposition. Just like Barca in the last few years.
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Maybe they want to stand and watch and admire his skills at very close angle.
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