You have thiago, Pogba and Bruno as first choice.
Thiago Alcantara | Pool bound
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Sanchez was already declining in his last year with Arsenal, Thiago put in a MoM performance in the Champions League final a few weeks ago. Whoever gets him is getting an absolute bargin.
But his game has never relied upon pace or physique. He just becomes more experienced with age (and he is way younger than Matic, too)
Don't see what the fuss is. Joey Barton would have owned him. Just kidding. Pure class player. Get it done, Ed por favor.
Your last point would hold water, but in this case the apt comparison to what you implied is I will join B only if they pay me more even if A isn't really offering me the job yet, which doesn't really make sense as a prospective employee.
Your team is better at this moment but things change very quickly. Klopp turned your fortunes and it can just as quickly turn for us, seeing how we finished last season. We have improved with the addition of Bruno and improvement in our front 3 players. Thiago may have an agreement with you. However if you aren't stumping up what Bayern are looking for then why can't we come in and swoop for him for the same wages as you. Why would we have to pay him so much more if you aren't even paying up to get him?
Bayern's price has been pretty well known for a while so I am not sure of the hold up if Thiago only prefers you and you can pay the asking fee.
Because it doesn't add up to the story that Utd were unwilling to meet his wage demands, so it's depending on whether you believe that story or not. If Utd didn't want to meet those demands, then either i) he asked more than he did at Liverpool or ii) it contradicts ALL reports that he's set on joining Liverpool because he fully understands by now that he won't get a figure at Liverpool that Utd are unwilling to meet.
I believe (or want to believe) that he wants to join us, so it's i) for me. Fine if you don't think the same, obviously.
Stories come out galore. The usual narrative nowadays is United overpay for every player we get because we aren't good enough anymore. It suits the agenda and if you want to believe that, then so be it.
You play Thiago and Pogba when they are fit, then play the more in-form player between Bruno and VDB. Of course I would be very surprised if all of those options are available much during the season with how injuries normally go. And you could quite easily play a diamond with 4 of them as well if you wanted another body in midfield.
I'm pretty certain if Thiago had the choice of the two options right now, he would choose Liverpool. At 29, time is not on his side. If it wasn't for the financial aspect, it would make more sense from a footballing perspective as both clubs are in different cycles of their journey at the moment.
Of course, I'm pretty sure he would nevertheless still be delighted at joining Utd as well. Two different projects. For him, as long as it's a top club, that would fulfill the "looking for a new challenge". Everything is a step down from leaving the treble winning European Champions.
Respect to United if they are trying to sign him
Thiago wouldn't come to sit on the bench and Donny van de Beek isn't coming to sit on the bench. Pogba and Bruno are obvious starters. What on earth is Ole planning?
........Rashford..............Martial..........
....................B.Fernandes..................
.........Pogba...............van de Beek....
.......................Thiago.........................
That would be my line up too. Could absolutely dominate the game against most teams. Greenwood would be good back up to the front men. Matic and co. for the middle men.
Seconded. Trying to shoehorn all the quality players into the side would mean we'd still have to rely on Mata/Lingard/Pereira for depth.
I'm thinking the interest in Grealish/purchase of VDB was specifically to add more quality in depth, not to play four in midfield and still lack quality in depth.
A season or two? He's an elite level CM and would be the best in our team. He doesn't rely on his physical traits and instead is blessed with an extremely high level of talent technically and tactically. For comparisons sake, Scholes who was a similar type of midfielder with similar skillsets turned 29 in 2003. Carrick in 2010 and produced a world-class season for us in 2013. There is genuinely absolutely nothing suggesting he'd only be class for a season or two barring a freak injury. Him being world-class for another 4 years is far more likely.
Finally someone has brought up this point at last
Ofcourse he can be ambitious but he has won everything he can. There is nothing left to win except for the new league experience. We can also provide the same, better wages and CL as well.
So this grand idea that he will always chose Klopp above is not really true. He might have agreed to join them but if we offer him a good package, I am sure he would opt us.
Yeah like you say think he would still consider us if we offered an attractive package, however rightly Utd are still trying to gauge how set he is on joining Liverpool or can his mind still be changed by hearing the right things from Utd
Depends if he treats it as a pay day or not. Nobody thought Sanchez was a bad idea at the time.
I'd rather have him and Upamecano than Sancho if we had to pick.
Big call!!! I don’t know though. As much as Thiago is amazing. Sancho has the potential to be up there with your Neymar’s. Rather that than sitting on Modric and Varane (Just an example).
Most overrated player in the league.
You're probably right, Sancho has the potential to be one of the worlds best. Maybe I'm biased with Thiago, I've always wanted him playing for United.
Certainly not worth breaking the wage structure to bring him in, as I said many pages back what we don't want is another Sanchez on our hands we already have the issue now with DDG
But aren’t our leaders paid handsomely? How would Thiago break the wage structure if de Gea is on 350k, with Pogba on high wages too?
we can definitely offer Pogba level wages to Thiago as he is a similar calibre player
Ferguson had won an Fa Cup after his first 4.5 seasons in charge. Klopp has won the CL and the league in the amount of time.
He's 29 the same age Zidane went to Real. He's a cultured CM and we've needed one of those for a long long time. A CL winner, driven (could have stayed for Barca's best years when he decided to move away), and different to anything we have at the moment in possession. 200k a week is really to be expected based just on his CV. We could lose 2 very average players off the payroll and save that if we're lucky. Sanchez was fading before he joined and was asked to pick up balls on our halfway line and run with the ball. Joke really for his skill set at Arsenal.
What are you on?
sell Mata and pereira wages, and we’ve cleared enough for Thiago’s wage demands
Yeah I mean I have reservations simply because I think we need alot of positions filled this summer and another CM for even 30m will prob impact our ability to do that. If it wont, then I'd love to see him here. We need some world-class players in the spine of our squad.....
No he did not. Klopp finished outside top 4 only once in his first 4 years. Fergie finished in top 10 only once in his first 4 years.
86-87- 11th
87-88- 2nd
88-89- 11th
90-91- 13th
Just to put it in context atkinson never finished below 4th until the season he was sacked in. Don't make stuff up.
Same, but only because I believe both Upamecano and Thiago are just that good and would actually be cheaper than Sancho. Sancho would be the most impactful transfer, but I don't think enough so to outweigh two players of that quality.
What???? What makes you think never is good enough?
I reckon that the only way Thiago will end up at the Dippers is if Wijnaldum leaves..
Neves will never be as good as Thiago. Levels to this game. That would be like taking Jimenez over Lewandowski.
I'm surprised that Barca is not moving for him
He wants to play in the Premier League and win the league, he's won La Liga already.
One of my Liverpool fan mates said he’d be gutted if they didnt get Thiago after all the smoke coming out linking him with them, and he’d be seething if Utd snatched him.
Hes an awesome player but I worry about injury record coupled with his age, his desire to come here and be committed to winning stuff here. I‘m weary about buying a central midfielder from Bayern... hopefully three times a charm. On the shortlist of Utd targets at the moment, I’d have him 3rd in priority behind Sancho and Upamecano.
Getting one of Sancho, Thiago and Upamecano is doable. Getting two of them is a challenge. Getting all of them would be frankly amazing if that’s somehow pulled off. Two out of three should be what we’re aiming for though and even that would be a job well done by the club.
Hes an awesome player but I worry about injury record coupled with his age, his desire to come here and be committed to winning stuff here. I‘m weary about buying a central midfielder from Bayern... hopefully three times a charm. On the shortlist of Utd targets at the moment, I’d have him 3rd in priority behind Sancho and Upamecano.
Getting one of Sancho, Thiago and Upamecano is doable. Getting two of them is a challenge. Getting all of them would be frankly amazing if that’s somehow pulled off. Two out of three should be what we’re aiming for though and even that would be a job well done by the club.
You had to win the league to compete in the European Cup back then and that was still a few years away.Ferguson couldn't win a european cup because of Heysel
Depends which way you look at it.
1986-87 He came in half way through and took Utd out of a relegation battle to finish mid table.
1987-88. His first Full season Utd were runner up in the league. (Klopp didn't come no where near that in his first 4 seasons.)
1988-89
Was his bad season
1989-90.
FA Cup winners. Klopp didn't win anything in his first 4 seasons.
How's this a debate? He's 29 not 32. He's an amazing player plain and simple.
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