True....but based on the remainder of the name you probably be on the lookout for a sword carrying person in red pajamas.
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True....but based on the remainder of the name you probably be on the lookout for a sword carrying person in red pajamas.
In the current AU outbreak of about 10k Delta infections we have only had 1 death of a fully vaccinated person, who was 90 year old and had other health issues. Other than that we have had no admissions to ICU of fully vaccinated people. That has to be good news.
basically proving my point by trying to frame that quote on me? Did I suggest it or did I simply cite from The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC)?
the article actually states that deaths did occurr after vaccination, but that there is no definitive evidence to substantiate that the vaccination was the leading cause.
context my friend!
You used this "evidence" to say there must be long term side effects to vaccination, which is utter nonsense. You might as well say BMW's kill people because 3% of the 12,000 owned one.
One for the tech enthusiasts. Another study suggesting that though vaxxed people can get covid, it looks like they're less infectious. Hopefully the results get confirmed more widely. Incidentally it does fit with what PHE report - actual contact infection rates being reduced.
While the preprint is about vaccinated responses to Delta infection, it uses a control group from back in the pre-delta, pre-alpha, pre-vaccine era - which means this is potentially even better news. A discussion of that here:
While the preprint is about vaccinated responses to Delta infection, it uses a control group from back in the pre-delta, pre-alpha, pre-vaccine era - which means this is potentially even better news. A discussion of that here:
I may be wrong in the way I’m reading this but is that apprentice hoping they get pinged this get to call in & ‘isolate’?
My mate working in retail was pinged the other week & was paid for his initial isolation but has been told if he was to be pinged again without vaccination he’d be off unpaid. He got his first jab at a walk in clinic on Wednesday. . .
I’ve suspected people were using the ping’demic to their advantage but for someone to be so brazen as to tell people they’re not getting jabbed so they get time off is surprising. Wonder what the client would think if they knew.
How it started :
How it's going (well actually it's not going anymore) :
How it's going (well actually it's not going anymore) :
I wonder how many other people died after being convinced by him that they shouldn’t get a vaccine.
I'm not sure but I don't know how people like Didier Raoult in France sleep at night. They fueled the whole anti-vax movement in the entire world and probably caused thousands of deaths if not more. Hope this tought crosses their mind at one point.
Pfizer approved for over 12s in Australia
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-23/pfizer-to-be-offered-for-ndis-participants/100398916
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-23/pfizer-to-be-offered-for-ndis-participants/100398916
In the NSW outbreak we have,
100 people in ICU
87% no jabs
13% one jab
0% two jabs
100 people in ICU
87% no jabs
13% one jab
0% two jabs
Similar story here, including deaths. Only one fully vaccinated has unfortunately passed away (a 90 year old man with history of chronic kidney disease and hypertension). Vaccines clearly work and help the situation. Can't stress that enough.
Niche interest post, but Valneva have commenced their rolling submission to the MHRA https://valneva.com/press-release/v...-its-inactivated-adjuvanted-covid-19-vaccine/
I'm hoping we might see some early announcements on the measured antibody levels from the trial. They seem to be aiming for end of 2021 for approval, so hopefully I get to go on a holiday somewhere warm next year!
I'm hoping we might see some early announcements on the measured antibody levels from the trial. They seem to be aiming for end of 2021 for approval, so hopefully I get to go on a holiday somewhere warm next year!
It looks like vaccination rates in Australia are really taking off now, which is great. Is that just that supply issues have been sorted out, or is the current outbreak motivating a few more people to get themselves protected do you think?
Brilliant analysis of th Israeli data that shows the actual efficacy of vaccines against severe disease, that is being quoted by the media as being lower by just looking at bare numbers without deeper context.
https://www.covid-datascience.com/p...strong-when-60-of-hospitalized-are-vaccinated
https://www.covid-datascience.com/p...strong-when-60-of-hospitalized-are-vaccinated
Excellent read, thanks for posting!
I was going to post this but I see someone already did the cut/paste for me so I am going to use it:
This goes to what others and I have been saying in this thread, that vaccinations decrease the infectiousness of a person. Glad to see more and more data show thing this, although the media that I have seen is only focused on the "viral loads are the same" portion which is only half of the story.
and there you go. Let's see if all those "It's Experimental and not approved!!"people rush out and get their shots
Looks like it’s giving organizations license to enforce mandates such as this one:
Well, maybe unless you live in Texas that is…
Ain't that the truth.
My team had a call today to where one member discussed this years ECCMID ( European Congress of Clinical Microbiology & Infectious Diseases ) general meeting that she had (virtually) attended. It was depressing to hear the amount of sessions devoted to combatting vaccine hesitancy. My big concern is that the politicization of the current mRNA vaccines will inhibit and/or discourage future developments in this area. Traditional vaccines have issues, and some (like the polio vaccine) have/had substantial issues. We need to push hard at advances in this area, not discourage them. Right now the low transport/storage temps are the biggest issue. If that can be overcome then this tech should be cheaper and much easier to mass produce.
The big problem with RNA is the fact that the name is too close to DNA. I'm not joking, call that Messenger Polymeric Molecule or something like that and you defuse half of the antivax arguments.
Possible, but they could have called it "The Safest Molecule Ever XOXO" and people would still freak out because they are being told to do so. The goalposts will always be moved and the "reasons" will always be found.
Couldn't agree more.
Excellent review of where we stand about waning immunity. I personally am leaning towards not taking the booster at this time.
I don't think the data suggests the need at this point. A third shot once vaccines are tweaked for Delta will be a good idea IMO but that isn't a booster as such.
I thought there was evidence a third shot of Pfizer helped, at least for those over 60? I’m not qualified to debate it, of course.
Here it is: Reuters
Here it is: Reuters
I think the debate is more regarding boosters for everyone. Like in USA where from Sep on everyone can get a 3rd booster if I am not mistaken.
They’ve said before that people should get the booster 8 months after, so that opens it up to some of the earlier vaccinated folk but for me that’s December.
Edit; I just checked my vaccination website: the booster is recommended and open for immunocompromised folk now, except ones that received the J&J shot
Boosters will always help the vaccinated in the same way tax breaks for the wealthy will help the wealthy financially. For the few who have lost it all they will be saved, but for the rest it is more dollars in the bank (antibodies in the body). The better plan for the health of the country and world is to get the vaccine into as many people as possible.
I just tested positive. I feel sad.
Oh man, you had your vaccines right? Hopefully shouldn’t be too bad. Stay home and rest up buddy.
Been a real crappy week with regards to covid.
Have two friends. One had the AZ a while back and has been in hospital with suspected stroke. Months since he had the AZ. Don't know if linked. He is in early 40's. Being investigated for blood clots etc.
Another friend early 30's hospitalized due to covid. Seemed to be pulling through now in coma and critical. Don't think will pull through. Absolutely brilliant lad. Very fit and active. No underlying conditions.
Have two friends. One had the AZ a while back and has been in hospital with suspected stroke. Months since he had the AZ. Don't know if linked. He is in early 40's. Being investigated for blood clots etc.
Another friend early 30's hospitalized due to covid. Seemed to be pulling through now in coma and critical. Don't think will pull through. Absolutely brilliant lad. Very fit and active. No underlying conditions.
Double vaxxed - I feel rough as shit but I’m sure I’ll be fine. Thanks man!
That’s a real shame buddy. Very sorry to hear that.
Sorry to hear this - had the second lad been vaccinated? This is what’s so scary, you just dont know how bad its going to hit you.
Ever so slightly relieved to get a negative PCR test result through this morning having been pinged on Sunday.
Not 100% sure if he was vaccinated. Early thirties with no underlying conditions so not sure if the timetable for vaccines had caught him in time.
It's just such a unpredictable virus. My dad (80 years old), me (50 next year) siblings younger than me had it and truth be told we've had flu that was worse in terms of how bad we felt. Dad's younger brother (lives abroad) had it and was very ill but no hospitalisation and recovered.
Dad had the AZ few days before he got tested positive. I had mine after (but Pfizer). Had to wait due to contracting it.
Mum had AZ and had a stroke climbing stairs and died. No covid but was vulnerable (diabetes and ling issue) and had to be talked into getting the vaccine. This was about 5 months ago. We don't know if the vaccine lead to the stroke or not. But I don't think I would have had the AZ if offered.
Strange thing is it's only in the last few months where people close to me have had the virus and I've known locals who have died from it. In the first year and half or so I saw the figures but didn't really know anyone getting or certainly dying from it. Now all of a sudden have known many who are close friends and family. Would say in the last 7 months or so.
It's strange because although it's still here, we seem to have the vaccine roll out going well and figures are not as bad as they were say a year ago. Certainly locally.
Reassuring that you are virtually certain of avoiding serious disease. Good luck.
Another argument against boosters
Of the 30 covid patients in my hospital, 2 are vaccinated, one is fine barely on any O2. Other guy is intubated, sicker but I think that's due to bacterial pneumonia.