Makes sense, shouldn't really even be up for debate we knew about the problems and this variant weeks ago its another calamity by the government, meant to learn from your mistakes not keep on repeating them.
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Makes sense, shouldn't really even be up for debate we knew about the problems and this variant weeks ago its another calamity by the government, meant to learn from your mistakes not keep on repeating them.
Another take on the "redirect doses to surge areas" debate, this time from SPI-M-O - the group who do the maths modelling for SAGE.
Basically they think vaccination of places with fast growing outbreaks, and their neighbouring areas, can slow the virus growth for long enough that you can vaccinate the rest of the country. Provided you start quickly enough. I guess we're now operating on the principle that we should wait a couple of weeks then conclude it's too late.
Meanwhile here's one of the Blackburn public health officials who tried to open the vaccine program to all over 18s and got told not to...
Sefton have apparently started vaccinating their over 20s. Sounds like Blackburn's error was admitting it and advertising the service on local radio. I guess Blackburn and Bolton will have to stick to WhatsApp in future.
Basically they think vaccination of places with fast growing outbreaks, and their neighbouring areas, can slow the virus growth for long enough that you can vaccinate the rest of the country. Provided you start quickly enough. I guess we're now operating on the principle that we should wait a couple of weeks then conclude it's too late.
Meanwhile here's one of the Blackburn public health officials who tried to open the vaccine program to all over 18s and got told not to...
Sefton have apparently started vaccinating their over 20s. Sounds like Blackburn's error was admitting it and advertising the service on local radio. I guess Blackburn and Bolton will have to stick to WhatsApp in future.
From a twitter account who tracks the data that gets released/leaked from various sources. An updated vaccine rollout model with the (mostly AZ) second doses at the 8 week interval. Pfizer/Moderna assumed for most of the first doses. He's assuming that vaccination rate goes back up to the March rates - basically with two sets of sites running, one for AZ, one for Pfizer.
The cynical side of me thinks the 8 weeks element started at the beginning of the week and they're already running with it, it would tie completely to me getting my second AZ jab bang on 8 weeks apart on Wednesday.
Every now and then it hits me how indescribably shit we’d all be feeling if we’d been unable to develop effective vaccines. Or if, say, all the vaccines had unacceptably severe and frequent side effects and we had to stop using them. Both of these scenarios were very possible. Life would be bleak beyond belief.
*shudder*
*shudder*
Had my first Pfizer this morning at 9am. So far nothing other than a sore arm. For anyone wondering, I did book my jab on the website first and got a date of next Friday, however I got a text from my GP that specifically stated Pfizer and that was for the next day (today). The location offered was not a location I was offered when I tried to book through the website so I would not be surprised if you do it that way, that you might not necessarily be guaranteed Pfizer/Moderna.
Zero vaccines would be a disaster and the world would be a very different place for a long time to come.
While the chances of complete and utter vaccine failure in all cases was unlikely, having 3 great vaccines, and 2 amazingly brilliant ones, in under a year is beyond belief. Even if AZ was the only successful one we would be in a hugely worse off position and not really due to the clotting issues, which would be acceptable for all if that were the only vaccine available.
There are frustrations but we could be in such a shit situation that it would be hard to know what would happen. Either you would have to let it burn through your population at a controlled or uncontrolled rate and cop the huge death toll and economic devastation or isolate yourself permanently Australia or NZ style, which is probably almost impossible. Although it would take a brave government to open up when you have no covid in the country.
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I guess we would have just learned to live with it and accept people dying. I am from Kosovo and go there often despite not living there. The life for most part has gone as normal there. There are the masks, and weddings or other meetings with a large number of people were kinda banned (will be open during the summer), but for most part, the restaurants, schools, bars, shopping malls and everything else has been open. The number of deaths per capita is around the same as that of most European big countries like Germany, Spain, France and so on (though it has a far younger population, but also a far worse medical system).
A better example might be Sweden who had much less restrictions and still in the end were kinda fine. I do not think that permanent lockdowns would have ever been in card, vaccines or not.
Sweden were far from kinda fine.
The doctors involved say they're helping people to demonstrate they're eligible - good luck to them. Plus, as it says, they're using Pfizer so can handle all age groups.
Bolton Hospital say they're now starting to see an increase in covid admissions, mostly of uncaccinated people who were already eligible for the vaccine. Still low numbers, so hopefully they've got time to save some lives with this campaign as well as to slow the spread.
At their worst, they were not worse than UK/Italy/Germany at their worst, while still keeping some aspects of social life and the economy mostly open.
I also think they've got plenty of AZ coming through now, so they make this move without impacting the first dose rollout (provided they can open extra vaccination sites).
There aren't that many Pfizer second doses that suddenly become due this month as a result of the change. So it doesn't cause many problems with the recommended first dose supply for the under 40s.
Yet more on Bolton - the case surge and the vaccines. It's not necessarily a direct correlation, but it does act as a shorthand for a correlation. Housing density, financial deprivation (impacting everything from mobile phone credit to ability to self isolate), access to information and high levels of hesitancy based on a combination of rumours, bad experiences with healthcare, and suspicion. Lots of reasons for poor take-up, including what's effectively poor access to the service and poor information.
Incidentally that bus I posted earlier is apparently doing great business today. The only issue is trying to find somewhere for people to queue (Manchester weather is not the kindest)
Compared to
Incidentally that bus I posted earlier is apparently doing great business today. The only issue is trying to find somewhere for people to queue (Manchester weather is not the kindest)
Compared to
Top local authorities on cases per 100k based on yesterday's released data, shows the jump with Bolton leading the way.
That is a very low bar.
Kirklees need those vaccine busses approved immediately, they look like they're (earlier) on a Bolton like trajectory.Top local authorities on cases per 100k based on yesterday's released data, shows the jump with Bolton leading the way.
Bolton posting that the queues are moving swiftly and they're handling the business.
Apparently they've got up to 4000 doses of Pfizer available today and 42 vaccinators on site in addition to admin and volunteers etc.
Just explaining the magic words to use when "asked" about eligibility:
Apparently they've got up to 4000 doses of Pfizer available today and 42 vaccinators on site in addition to admin and volunteers etc.
Just explaining the magic words to use when "asked" about eligibility:
https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/news/west-yorkshire-news/kirklees-health-boss-public-plea-20598637 they seem relatively calm and think they're on a flat or improving trajectory.
Had my second jab on Thursday. Felt a bit off that evening and yesterday but just like having a mild hangover. Today back to normal.
Let's hope so. It may be a freak growth. The outbreak in Erewash - a school in Long Eaton had about 100 positives, and triggered a family/contacts surge of another hundred or so more, but it seems to have peaked with them and then dropped right back. If Kirklees are aware of a similar localised cluster then maybe their trajectory will be similar.
Feck my luck - caught covid 2 days after my 1st Pfizer shot. Been a rough ride so far.
Just had my Pfizer vaccine. Thought it would be a sort of euphoric moment but was kind of spoilt by there being so many people there. Had to queue for 20 mins to get into the church and then when I was in there it seemed like social distancing was just something other people did. I was then asked to wait in a packed stuffy waiting area for 15mins just in case I had a bad reaction to the jab. No thanks - not gonna catch me doing that, ta.
Rest up easy mate, hopefully you just ride it out and have juicy antibodies in a few weeks
Is this a parody
Thanks!Rest up easy mate, hopefully you just ride it out and have juicy antibodies in a few weeks
Is beer that important that you can’t go without for a few days?
You should draw a cartoonI didn't get a choice and as said last week, I found the whole booking process to be rather amateur all in all.
I had the AZ jab yesterday and today feel like shit. Worst thing is, my power hasn't come in yet
Good luck @Rajma
Appreciate it, this son of the bitch of the virus just keeps coming back, it’s seems that during the day you’ve beat this fecker but then it comes in another flow.
Might take a while. Rest up, drink plenty of water. Take paracetamol if you need
No? Why would it be?
I mean, the criteria there is surely "I'm over 18 and live in BL3 or BL4." I can't imagine that they're going to question you, if you turn up you'll get vaccinated. It rather defeats the object otherwise.
edit - @P-Ro, because if you're going to have an immediate, unforeseen anaphylactic reaction, it's best to do it somewhere where there are doctors and resuscitation equipment?
I just assumed that I'm far, far more likely to catch covid from someone in that packed, stuffy room than have some kind of reaction from the jab.
Wife and I had Pfizer today, they told us next jab would be in 6-8 weeks. Delighted.
They extended their invitation to include the "eligible" from anywhere in Bolton at lunchtime, then for the final hour or so of the day they dropped the word eligible. They're repeating the mass walk-up vaccination plan again tomorrow. As you say, the point is to get doses into people.
It will be too late for some (as the vaccine takes two or three weeks to kick in) but it may save the lives of others and it may slow the spread, which potentially will help everyone.
The stats at the moment show that it's still concentrated in the younger age groups:
You can see it on the latest government heat map as well.
You had to queue 20 mins and wait for 15 mins after benefiting from one of the most important public health initiatives, for free, all designed to prioritise your health, and that was unsatisfactory.
Meanwhile people in this very thread are lamenting the fact their country can’t even get vaccines for the most vulnerable groups. Worse still, their compatriots are desperately trying to get into these stuffy rooms just to get urgent medical care, locked out by the people with a legal and ethical duty of care, after paying for an ambulance to get them there.
That’s taking first world problems to an absurd degree.
I'm going to reply to your holier-than-thou post with the respect it deserves, none. I mentioned the queuing because they packed out the place due to trying to keep it moving. The stuffy, packed room was also due to this mismanagement. Tell me smooth brwned, do you think it's a prudent and sensible thing to keep a group of people packed in an area with shite ventilation for 15 minutes?
Your second paragraph is just santimonious horseshit. You sound exactly like the guys who say you shouldn't waste clean drinking water because somewhere in Africa there's children dying from thirst. My situation and the situation you compared it to aren't in any way related. To try and make a comparison like that is completely disengenuous.
They extended their invitation to include the "eligible" from anywhere in Bolton at lunchtime, then for the final hour or so of the day they dropped the word eligible. They're repeating the mass walk-up vaccination plan again tomorrow. As you say, the point is to get doses into people.
It will be too late for some (as the vaccine takes two or three weeks to kick in) but it may save the lives of others and it may slow the spread, which potentially will help everyone.
The stats at the moment show that it's still concentrated in the younger age groups:
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You can see it on the latest government heat map as well.
Is the Indian variant a chance to speed up herd immunity without impacting deaths or serious illness? The above chart seems to suggest vaccines are working.
So I gather they didn’t have any pies?