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Originally posted by vijay_vr:
<strong>arnie,Are the Indian players performing well in
England?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Vijay - you might need to remind me of one or two that did well here, because not many spring to mind.

The first imports were Nawab of Pataudi (Sussex) and Farokh Engineer (Lancashire) in the 60's / 70's and they were successful. Since then it's been a bit mixed.

Tendulkar had a good year with Yorkshire - Bedi, Kapil & Kumble all played for Northants and did okay without bringing home the trophies. Dravid's played for Kent in 2000, averaged over 50 and of course he has a great track record at Test level in mastering pitches around the world. That's the measure of a truly superb player.

Ganguly had an awful season with Lancashire, but I think there were some off-field problems.

In general, I don't think English pitches suit the Indian way of playing, the bowlers suffering partly because it's usually quite late in the season that the pitches take serious spin.

Anyway, I must go now as my team have just been humiliated by Scotland of all teams and Dans might just be calling here shortly to post the scorecard. <img src="graemlins/nervous.gif" border="0" alt="[Nervous]" />
 
Originally posted by arnie sidebottom:
<strong>Anyway, I must go now as my team have just been humiliated by Scotland of all teams and Dans might just be calling here shortly to post the scorecard. <img src="graemlins/nervous.gif" border="0" alt="[Nervous]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />

Unbelievable! They were 16/1 to win this game. How embarassed you must be Arnie!
 
Just skimmed through this thread...not really a big cricket fan now.

What about Richard Hadlee for graceful bowlers?

I'm tracking Jim Troughton of Warwickshire this season. We played in the same club team from under13 to under 16 level. He's doing pretty good!
 
Originally posted by Dans:
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<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />

Unbelievable! They were 16/1 to win this game. How embarassed you must be Arnie!</strong><hr></blockquote>

:o they've beaten Durham & Somerset as well, though, so can't discount the possibility that they may be a good team. It's still Scotland though.... :mad:

And Hooper was run out for a highly graceful and fluent 2.
 
Originally posted by sidsutton:
<strong>Just skimmed through this thread...not really a big cricket fan now.

What about Richard Hadlee for graceful bowlers?

I'm tracking Jim Troughton of Warwickshire this season. We played in the same club team from under13 to under 16 level. He's doing pretty good!</strong><hr></blockquote>

Welcome to the cricket forum, Sid. I'd agree that Sir Richard should have been considered, but who to leave out ?
 
Originally posted by arnie sidebottom:
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Welcome to the cricket forum, Sid. I'd agree that Sir Richard should have been considered, but who to leave out ?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Malcolm Marshall. Devastating though he was, I don't think his chest on action was particularly graceful.
 
Originally posted by vijay_vr:
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Who is this bloke?</strong><hr></blockquote>

24 year old left hander from Warwickshire. Very attacking batsmen, some comparisons with Gower.
 
Racism will kill South African cricket
<a href="http://www.cricketnext.com/news1/next/joshi/tap831.htm" target="_blank">here</a>

If you think racism is a prerogative of the whites, then you are way off the mark. The blacks and the browns indulge in racism with as much zeal as the whites, and it is highly unfortunate that this ugly aspect of society has found its way profoundly into the game of cricket, more so now than ever before.

Among the cricket-playing nations, South Africa a few years ago looked formidable enough to challenge the Aussie supremacy. In fact, during the Hansie Cronje days, the Aussies were given a run for their money in almost every encounter that took place between the two countries.

Even now, South Africans come closest to the Australians because they are naturally aggressive like the men from Down Under, their physical and mental make up are more or less the same and they play their cricket in a similar manner. South Africa does remind one a lot of Australia.

Sadly, the South African cricket is falling apart and this time round, the black and the coloured politicians are responsible for the same. The South African sports minister, a gentleman who answers to the call of Ngconde Balfour, is a politician, out to win elections. He cares two hoots about the performance of South African teams on the field – he is a man with a mission – he dreams of days when South Africa would be represented only by the blacks in all sport.

Balfour has made it clear that no way can the South African cricket team field all-whites team any more. There has to be a liberal sprinkling of coloured (read black) players, and as a result, players not yet ready for international cricket have to be included at the expense of deserving candidates.

There is growing resentment within the South African team over this, and players of the stature of Jacques Kallis have openly asked the players to be chosen on merit. So what does Mr. Balfour do? He asks Kallis, South Africa’s top all-rounder, to go take a walk. He said, “Who is Jacques Kallis? He means nothing to me.” He also said he “wasn't interested in watching Jacques Kallis play cricket.” The ‘honourable’ minister also said at that time that were it not for the World Cup he would “close South African cricket down!”

So rampant is racism in South African sport and so growing in the discontent among the white players that the day is not far when there will be an open rebellion against the authorities. In fact, when South Africa last toured Australia, the row over including Justin Ontong, a coloured player, reached such heights that the then skipper Shaun Pollock was ready to quit his job.

The problem in South Africa is the blacks have not forgotten the apartheid days and they are finding it tough to move on. To be fair, the ruling class then was such a miserable, inhuman lot that the wounds would take a long, long time to heal. It is not going to be easy.

The blacks and the whites are not friendly even now in the ‘rainbow nation’, and the animosity remains. Sport is not spared either. Cricket and rugby are ‘looked down’ by the blacks as a “white man’s sports” while the blacks prefer to watch and play soccer, regardless of the tall claims of the South African cricket board.

The large Asian community in South Africa is another aggrieved lot. The members of the Asian community there claim first the whites looked down upon them, now they are harassed by they blacks. Indeed, after South Africa’s re-admission to international cricket, not a single player of Asian origin has been able to make it to their national team, though there are quite a few talented blokes in the Kwa-Zulu Natal team.

Most of the (white) members of the South African team along with former players like Kepler Wessels, Peter Kirsten and Tony Greig believe, rightly so, that no matter what, the strongest eleven should take the field irrespective of the colour. And the way things are, if that rule is adhered to, then Balfour’s dream will not be realised in his lifetime.

The cricket World Cup 2003 has done nothing to bring people of that country together. Wounds created by years and years of animosity can’t be healed by a cricket tournament. I was shocked in South Africa to see the majority of the blacks were simply disinterested in the fortunes of the South African team. “Let the white man play, sir, I have my business to look after,” was the answer I received from most of them.

South Africa is a lovely country, and has the potential to become a sporting super power. But the people in power now are making the same mistakes that were made by the people in power during the apartheid.
 
Tricky one. The "non whites" are not up to the international mark because under apartheid whites allowed them no proper cricket development infrasrtucture.

It could be decades before the South African national team reflects the country's ethnic mix. It seems some people don't want to wait that long.

I don't favour positive discrimination as a rule but there may be a case if cricket was hugely popular with South African non whites and some role models were needed to aid development and funding.

Does England's 100 metre sprint relay squad reflect the ethnic mix of my country ? Not in the slightest. We just pick the 4 fastest guys. Long may that continue.
 
vijay - just read that Dravid has arrived and is playing for Scotland this season. Guess the Scots might be giving a few more counties a chasing this season.
 
Much of that article is out of context quotes and bullshit.

Re: the Asians, there are some taleted blokes who are in the A side and will probably feature in the future if they are good enough.

Balfour is a meddling buffon, though.
 
Originally posted by vijay_vr:
<strong>Yes Dravid might not have the abilities of Richards or a Tendulkar but is very solid and proficient.

arnie,Lillee has said England have made the right decision by appointing Rodney Marsh for the job.what do you think?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Well I've followed his career since his first tour (1975, I think) and have always been impressed by his character, as well as his ability. Compromise won't be part of his agenda.

So he'll certainly try to shake up the established order - but in England that's not an easy thing to do.

Mike Atherton is another who has sound ideas about how the game should be run, but he knows it's easier, and more profitable to air his views from a media vantage point.
 
"Mark Chilton nears his seventh first-class century as Lancashire dominate day one against Leicestershire."

It would be the third century for Chilton this season.

And another 50 for Mal Loye. 210-1 despite the weather @ 4 an over...this is the best batting line up we've had for years.

Defreitas is still playing after all these years. A natural athlete with a fluid and economical action. A first rate pain in the arse as well. How many counties has he played for now ?
 
See you back here tomorrow for Smogland's first Test Match. Weather forecast fine for Thursday and Saturday; overcast / wet for Friday. Bit mixed Sunday and Monday.

C'mon En-ger-land !!! <img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" /> <img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" /> <img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" />
 
The Order of the British Empire (OBE) is to be conferred on cricket idol Alec Stewart, soccer hero David Beckham, Liverpool boss Gerard Houllier and Arsenal's Arsene Wenger.
40-year-old cricket idol Alec Stewart is to be given the honour by the Queen as a reward for helping a revival of the England team's fortunes in recent years. The respected Surrey all-rounder this week became the country's second-highest Test run scorer.

arnie your favourite player..
 
Favourite player ? Blimey...varies from day to day. Flintoff on top form would get my vote on most occasions - mainly because he hits the ball like a beast, bowls well under pressure, very agile in the field for a big feller and, well, he's from Lancashire :cool:

No argument from me about Stewy getting an OBE though. Well done Alec. :)
 
Just give it to me slowly alright ;)

What´s an inning (i hear that often on the news, i think that´s an inning)
 
Right...(BTW u must be extremely bored!)

The object of the game is to out score the opposition(usually England has major probs doing so) each team has 11 players.. and in Test matches both sides usually bat twice... ie a First innings and second innings...
 
(yep and extremely tired this might help ;) )

Oh so the inning that´s just when team a get´s to use the bats, so does everysingle player get´s to play with the bat ?

And how do you score ? and why does that stick behind the thrower sometimes break isn´t that expenisve always replacing the darn thing.

I get the outscoring part, but what´s with the 242 over 11 talk they have (not real numbers)
 
Originally posted by RioNkeanofan:
<strong>(yep and extremely tired this might help ;) )

Oh so the inning that´s just when team a get´s to use the bats, so does everysingle player get´s to play with the bat ?


And how do you score ? and why does that stick behind the thrower sometimes break isn´t that expenisve always replacing the darn thing.

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well..you score by hitting the ball with the bat..then running to the otherside(where the bowler is)...completing a run to to bowlers side is one run....(running back again will give u 2 runs... and so on and so on.)

The sticks are the wickets....the object for a bowler is to hit them...and for the batsmen to protect them. The wickets don't usually break!

Originally posted by RioNkeanofan:
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I get the outscoring part, but what´s with the 242 over 11 talk they have (not real numbers)</strong><hr></blockquote>


the batting team may have scored 200..but the bowling team might have got 9 batsmen out... so its written down like this: 200(scored) for 9(players out)

following??? ;)
 
yeah yeah i´m with you. So you get points for hitting the wicket.

So you can 200 runs, with 9 baters to go and have some wickets.

I think i´m getting it though, seriously.

Your a good explainer :D
 
Originally posted by RioNkeanofan:
<strong>yeah yeah i´m with you. So you get points for hitting the wicket.

So you can 200 runs, with 9 baters to go and have some wickets.

I think i´m getting it though, seriously.

Your a good explainer :D </strong><hr></blockquote>

Not really points...but it just indicates how many batsmen are out.

200 runs, with 9 batsmen to go will be written like this:

200 for 1.. ie 200 runs, for the loss of ONE batsmen.. (when a team loses ONE 'batter' it'll have 9 left)
 
Originally posted by RioNkeanofan:
<strong>yeah yeah i´m with you. So you get points for hitting the wicket.

So you can 200 runs, with 9 baters to go and have some wickets.

I think i´m getting it though, seriously.

Your a good explainer :D </strong><hr></blockquote>

Thanks for your compliment.Cricket is more tougher than footie.to play or to appreciate.
 
Sri Lanka overhaul big target for series win

BRIDGETOWN

Sri Lanka overhauled an imposing total of 312 for four on Sunday to defeat West Indies by four wickets and take an unbeatable 2-0 lead in the three-match one-day series.

A gutsy 89 off 71 balls by Upul Chandana and sloppy fielding by West Indies were important factors in a stubborn fightback by the touring team.

Sri Lanka needed 18 runs off the last 12 balls but fast bowler Vasbert Drakes went for 14 in a costly penultimate over.

Tillakaratne Dilshan wrapped up the game and the series with a boundary as Sri Lanka reached their target of 313 with three balls to spare.

Skipper Brian Lara's innings of 116 had carried the West Indies to a record one-day score at the Kensington Oval ground. But Sri Lanka went one better to equal their previous best when chasing a target in a one-day international.

"In my career (199 ODIs) there are very few times that Sri Lanka has put on that rate, chasing more than 300 runs," skipper Marvan Atapattu told reporters.

"To do that and win a series abroad is a tremendous achievement and I couldn't ask for anything more."

Man-of-the-match Chandana was called into the side in the belief his leg spin would come in useful on a slow wicket. His figures of none for 40 from four overs were forgettable but he turned in a batting display he called his "best ever knock".

Sri Lanka started briskly with Romesh Kaluwitharana and Sanath Jayasuriya putting on 71 for the first wicket. Mervyn Dillon and Corey Collymore conceded 56 runs off the first eight overs.

SLOW RATE

Marlon Samuels managed to slow the run rate and in his second over he tempted Jayasuriya (41) into slicing a catch to Drakes at backward point.

West Indies seemed to be on course when Kaluwitharana was run out for 34 by a sharp throw from Ricardo Powell, leaving Sri Lanka on 78 for two.

Atapattu was lucky to escape when Chris Gayle dropped a simple chance at slip but he dug in to make 47 before being run out by a spectacular long-range throw from Sarwan.

Chandana, though, provided the aggression Sri Lanka needed. Young off spinner Ryan Hurley, who had performed well, was his first victim, going for two sixes over mid wicket in consecutive overs.

Kumar Sangakkara also weighed in with 31 before he pulled Drakes straight to Wavell Hinds at deep mid wicket.

Chandana then forged a 101-run stand with Mahela Jayawardene which was helped by a catalogue of errors in the field.

Hurley and David Bernard both dropped Chandana in the outfield in the 47th over before he was finally caught at mid wicket off Collymore after thumping six fours and four sixes.

Drakes's bowling fell apart in the penultimate over, although he did remove Jayawardene for 32.

Lara acknowledged his team's bowling and fielding had wilted under pressure.

"You are not going to win the game if one batsman gets three or four chances in the field...it's a mental thing. We seem to be left wanting under pressure," he said.

Lara was unlucky to be on the losing side after scoring his 17th ODI century

Great match..
 
Australia honours Waugh in Queen's Birthday list

By Greg Buckle

MELBOURNE, June 9, 2003 (Reuters)


Australia's test captain Steve Waugh and former West Indies skipper Garfield Sobers received Order of Australia awards in the Queen's Birthday Honours list published on Monday.

Both were made Officers in the General Division (AO) of the Order of Australia for services to cricket and the community.

Waugh, who says he is "just an ordinary bloke", has guided his side to the number one spot in the test rankings and was at the helm for a world record 16 consecutive wins which ended in March 2001 with a defeat by India in Calcutta.

The Australian batsman has also been active in charity work for young girls from under-privileged backgrounds in Calcutta.

"I guess this award is in part recognition for what I've tried to do in India but really other people do much more than me," Waugh told reporters.

"I'm a little embarrassed by it all, to be honest, but it is nice that this is part of the recognition that has been given to me and it is nice for cricket.

"I don't see myself as being any different to anybody else," added Waugh, who grew up in Bankstown in Sydney's south-west.

"It's only a sport and people do tend to forget that."

WORLD RECORD

Earlier this year he resisted calls for his retirement with centuries against England and West Indies.

Waugh also equalled former West Indies captain Clive Lloyd's world record of 36 test wins as skipper as Australia scored a 3-1 victory in last month's test series in the Caribbean.

The 38-year-old captained Australia to victory in the 1999 World Cup but was dropped from the one-day side last year. He is the second-highest scorer in test cricket with 10,265 runs at an average of 49.83 in a world record total of 160 matches.

Sobers, the finest all-rounder in cricket history, played for South Australia in the 1960s and retains Australian citizenship through marriage.

The 66-year-old played 93 tests and scored 8,032 runs at 57.78 including a highest score of 365 not out, bettered only by West Indies captain Brian Lara's 375 against England in 1994.

Left-armer Sobers, who could bowl spin and fast-medium, also took 235 wickets at 34.03.

Former International Cricket Council chief executive David Richards and former Australia test players Norm O'Neill and Peter Philpott were honoured with medals in the General Division (OAM).
 
Originally posted by giggzy:
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Not really points...but it just indicates how many batsmen are out.

200 runs, with 9 batsmen to go will be written like this:

200 for 1.. ie 200 runs, for the loss of ONE batsmen.. (when a team loses ONE 'batter' it'll have 9 left)</strong><hr></blockquote>

Ah i see, sounds interesting :)
 
Originally posted by RioNkeanofan:
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Ah i see, sounds interesting :) </strong><hr></blockquote>

<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />

No, it's: <img src="graemlins/yawn.gif" border="0" alt="[Yawn]" />
 
Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
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<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />

No, it's: <img src="graemlins/yawn.gif" border="0" alt="[Yawn]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

Hush, now i can understand the sportnews a whole lot better ;)
 
Tis like cheese....

I love cricket... especially when its played by the best.. Can't beat the sight of a fast bowler hurling down the ball at light speed...and watching batsmen, fend them off...


Love most sports TBH, been a big fan of boxing n'all over the past two decades...(must admit its not what it used to be)
 
Originally posted by RioNkeanofan:
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Hush, now i can understand the sportnews a whole lot better ;) </strong><hr></blockquote>

Now ask giggzy to explain what: googly, bumper, chinaman, full toss, follow on, good length, pull, leg bye, Sticky Wicket, tail-ender, long hop actually mean! ;)
 
Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
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Now ask giggzy to explain what: googly, bumper, chinaman, full toss, follow on, good length, pull, leg bye, Sticky Wicket, tail-ender, long hop actually mean! ;) </strong><hr></blockquote>

oh feck.


What about: short leg, silly mid off, silly point....as well??

;)