The UEFA Euro Fantasy Draft

The idea behind this new addition to the draft is that I didn't want to allow too many reinforcements, so that building a great team in the initial draft is rewarded. But if the managers get to pick only one player, it's unfair if we pick in a snake format. The one who picks first obviously has an unfair advantage. I actually thought about using it before the semifinals, basically 2 players as reinforcements after the first round of matches, then 1 in this "3 attempts sheep format without getting sheep because you already have enough players" after the quarterfinals and the semifinals.

What's the opinion on that? Does anyone besides me like the idea? No one complained, but I think no one commented on it at all, so I've no clue what the general opinion is.
 
Balu said:
The idea behind this new addition to the draft is that I didn't want to allow too many reinforcements, so that building a great team in the initial draft is rewarded. But if the managers get to pick only one player, it's unfair if we pick in a snake format. The one who picks first obviously has an unfair advantage. I actually thought about using it before the semifinals, basically 2 players as reinforcements after the first round of matches, then 1 in this "3 attempts sheep format without getting sheep because you already have enough players" after the quarterfinals and the semifinals.

What's the opinion on that? Does anyone besides me like the idea? No one complained, but I think no one commented on it at all, so I've no clue what the general opinion is.
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I like it, possibly before the semi final match up.
 
Balu said:
The idea behind this new addition to the draft is that I didn't want to allow too many reinforcements, so that building a great team in the initial draft is rewarded. But if the managers get to pick only one player, it's unfair if we pick in a snake format. The one who picks first obviously has an unfair advantage. I actually thought about using it before the semifinals, basically 2 players as reinforcements after the first round of matches, then 1 in this "3 attempts sheep format without getting sheep because you already have enough players" after the quarterfinals and the semifinals.

What's the opinion on that? Does anyone besides me like the idea? No one complained, but I think no one commented on it at all, so I've no clue what the general opinion is.
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I like the idea, not as a default for all drafts but as something entertaining. Also don't like the possibility of no upgrades, if I got that right.

I prefer seeing that final piece of the puzzle for both sides to make the final really intriguing with two great teams. This way you could see an even worse side in a final or more or less an equal team which would make things a bit boring.

Kind of the same as the group stage matches, but the final would turn in to one instead.
 
Raees said:
I like it, possibly before the semi final match up.
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Yeah, I agree. Would have been way better if the previous reinforcement round was already done like that. It's more fair, because we only reverse the snake draft order once and not twice. And it's a lot more interesting, because you can make smart tactical picks, block players other managers need and are then gone for good. It would make it more difficult to just add big names till the final and hopefully force managers into looking for great fits for their team, even though they might not be the biggest vote winners, or interesting tactical solutions.
 
Annahnomoss said:
I like the idea, not as a default for all drafts but as something entertaining. Also don't like the possibility of no upgrades, if I got that right.

I prefer seeing that final piece of the puzzle for both sides to make the final really intriguing with two great teams. This way you could see an even worse side in a final or more or less an equal team which would make things a bit boring.

Kind of the same as the group stage matches, but the final would turn in to one instead.
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We could in theory say, that if all 3 attempts are blocks, they start again with 3 new attemps, but the 3 blocked players of course remain dropped from the pool. That way they eventually get a player. I doubt it'll happen often that managers block each other 3 times though.
 
Balu said:
The idea behind this new addition to the draft is that I didn't want to allow too many reinforcements, so that building a great team in the initial draft is rewarded. But if the managers get to pick only one player, it's unfair if we pick in a snake format. The one who picks first obviously has an unfair advantage. I actually thought about using it before the semifinals, basically 2 players as reinforcements after the first round of matches, then 1 in this "3 attempts sheep format without getting sheep because you already have enough players" after the quarterfinals and the semifinals.

What's the opinion on that? Does anyone besides me like the idea? No one complained, but I think no one commented on it at all, so I've no clue what the general opinion is.
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I like it, I don't like it when some awfully unbalanced teams scratch through the early stages, get GOAT upgrades and becomes unplayable. It's a strategy, yes, but I think that it's not great. I also liked the idea about "pick from your defeated opponent pool", but I wasn't around when it was used and you clearly decided to change things for a reason
 
Balu said:
I won't be around for too long after the 2nd semifinal ends, so here's how the last reinforcement round works, in case it isn't clear yet:

Both finalists (Team EAP & the winner between harms and Joga) send me a list of three players in order of preference. If both pick the same player as first, he's dropped from the player pool and we move on to the 2nd player. Because blocked players are dropped from the pool, you can't pick the same player more than once. Best case, both get their favourite pick, worst case both managers fail to improve their team at all.

An example:
Semifinalist 1: 1. Pele 2. Garrincha 3. Zico
Semifinalist 2: 1. Pele 2. Romario 3. Rivaldo

Garrincha and Romario are the picks.

I'll leave around 16:30 (about 45minutes after the 2nd semifinal is over), so if you have sent your picks by then, I'll reveal the results. If not, you have to wait until tomorrow morning.

@Edgar Allan Pillow @MJJ @coolredwine @harms @Joga Bonito
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This is AWESOME, great midgames! :drool:
 
Annahnomoss said:
I like the idea, not as a default for all drafts but as something entertaining. Also don't like the possibility of no upgrades, if I got that right.

I prefer seeing that final piece of the puzzle for both sides to make the final really intriguing with two great teams. This way you could see an even worse side in a final or more or less an equal team which would make things a bit boring.

Kind of the same as the group stage matches, but the final would turn in to one instead.
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It's unlikely it would ever happen that both teams block each other all three times. What IS possible is that they design their trios to block the other player on certain targets. E.g. Imagine EAP tries to block Joga from getting a certain German, but then Joga doesn't put him first choice so EAP ends up stuck with a third German he can't play.

That's hilarious, you will still get the intrigue as to how he will set up for the final anyway as the squads should be wonderfully flexible at this point (unless you have picked defenders who never even played :rolleyes:).
 
harms said:
I like it, I don't like it when some awfully unbalanced teams scratch through the early stages, get GOAT upgrades and becomes unplayable. It's a strategy, yes, but I think that it's not great. I also liked the idea about "pick from your defeated opponent pool", but I wasn't around when it was used and you clearly decided to change things for a reason
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Edgar Allan Pillow said:
Not a big fan of that. If you are playing with wingers and opponent is playing a diamond, it makes upgrades quite bad. The all defeated players pool is quite OK in this.

Like the sheep mode. Only suggestion is we can implement it for Semi's and Finals.
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The all-defeated player pool basically helps everyone have a chance of getting exactly what they needed. Fairer to a certain extent, but takes away a lot of the merit in the drafting IMO. I have been a beneficiary and a victim of the randomness of "pick from your opponent" but still made it to three finals in a row under that system. Sometimes even before the semi you could tell, from the draw, who was more likely to win the final but that's not too different with this system TBH, it just makes it more obvious by drastically narrowing the options.

Ultimately, if you planned and drafted well to have a flexible squad that could evolve and improve come what may then you would notice it later because the randomness of who you are drawn against applied to everyone. If you are playing with wingers get bloody great wingers, if you don't have great wingers from the off then don't plan to play with wingers but leave sufficient flexibility to pick them along the way if the chance comes up.

One way to make allowances for the misfortune of draws was a hybrid system like we used in the all-time draft. You could only have one player per country. i.e. if you pick Fernando Redondo he will be great, but when you come across Maradona you need two upgrades, not one! So to avoid bad forward planning and draws resulting in cutting your nose to spite the face we did a three-round snake reinforcement.

If after 12 picks and three rounds of reinforcements you don't have a base squad that affords you options come what may you are an idiot TBH. I actuallly made a point of maintaining all the gradual squad changes on the OP so that anyone new to drafts could actually watch how it all worked first hand.

When people look back on those drafts much is being made of how "Anto got Maradona and Pelé in consecutive rounds" as an indication that it all ends up going down to pot luck. But the premise in my plan was: keep Argentina for #10 (Maradona or Di Stéfano) and Brazil for #9 (Ronaldo or Romario), with the possibility that it ends up the wrong way around with Pelé at #10 and Messi #9. If I managed to last long enough I would come across one of those upgrades because no one in their right mind would pass on any of them in the early rounds so your quarter and semi opponents were bound to have one of those. Ultimately I didn't get as "lucky"as I wanted (Romario-Maradona, as I had Stoichkov and Laudrup waiting for O Baixinho whom I thought was the one I would be more likely to pick up early or see exiting the draft) but was actually "unlucky" to get Pelé and get drawn against Maradona next.

There's massive merit to the hybrid system IMO, it rewards forward planning and squad flexibility and that is one of the marks of a good manager in real life!
 
I think we should play it some draft. I don't like any draft format to be played every time but it is one that hasn't been played for a long while.
 
antohan said:
The all-defeated player pool basically helps everyone have a chance of getting exactly what they needed
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Yeah, that's what I don't like about it. There should be more unpredictability, more mindgames, more action in the drafting. That's why I liked Tevezbola, that's why I like sheep's - you have to think more, you have to create multiple strategies, you have to adapt. Sneak drafting becomes boring in the later stages.
 
harms said:
Yeah, that's what I don't like about it. There should be more unpredictability, more mindgames, more action in the drafting. That's why I liked Tevezbola, that's why I like sheep's - you have to think more, you have to create multiple strategies, you have to adapt. Sneak drafting becomes boring in the later stages.
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I don't have a problem with snake drafting per se, it certainly requires creating multiple strategies and adapting several times!!!! The bore is every reinforcement round affording managers so much flexibility to plug holes. It shouldn't be so easy to completely facelift your side.

Agreed on EAPs Reality Draft. I was livid when I got a legacy player that didn't fit my plans, the worst GOAT defender (Hierro, while Viva got Nesta), the worst GOAT midfielder (Stevie fecking G) and a striker that was nothing like what I needed and far from other GOATs (Raúl)... but then got a good break with Tevezbola taking a midfield GOAT I was otherwise obligated to play :lol: Awesome!
 
Playerpool for the final reinforcement:

Don't forget that you can have more than 2 players from one nation in your squad, but the rules about playing at most 2 from one nation at the same time still stands, as does the rule regarding at least 3 pre-66 players. Be careful with substitutes if you add more players from one nation now. Any mistake means, you lose the game.

Teams that went out in the first round (players picked in the first reinforcement rounds already taken out):

3. Paolo Di Canio - 1. Cristiano Ronaldo 4. van Nistelrooy 5. Gentile 6. Domenghini 7. Ballack 8. Bergkamp 9. Camacho 10. Pique 11. Giovanni Ferrari 12. 12. Dragoslav Sekularac

5. Skizzo & Pat_Mustard - 2. Netzer 4. Popluhár 5. Bonhof 6. Suker 7. Sergio Ramos 8. Olivella 9. Jarni 10. Dasayev 11. Arnesen 12. Olsen

6. Stobzilla - 2. B.Charlton 3. Bican 4. Gascoigne 5. Brian Laudrup 6. Kuznetsov 7. Capdevila 8. Branko Stanković 9. Pešek 10. Brolin 11. Pfaff 12. Marchena

11. Theon & NM - 6. Burgnich 7. Stielike 8. Luigi Riva 9. Vukas 10. Hiden 11. Gordillo 12. Totti :eek:

13. big red123 - 1. Cruyff 2. Baresi 3. Stoichkov 4. Michael Laudrup 5. Koeman 6. Buzánszky 7. Grosics 8. Ladislav Novák 9. Guardiola 10. Djorkaeff 11. Giannini 12. Eilts.

14. Šjor Bepo & Physiocrat - 3. Hidegkuti 4. Ivanov 5. Giresse 6. Stam 7. Briegel 8. Busquets 9. G. Neville 10. Zoff 11. Podolski 12. Scholes.

15. ctp - 3. Ocwirk 4. Mazzola 5. Gerets 6. Lizarazu 7. Nausch 8. Iribar 9. Couto 11. Adams 12. Modrić.

16. PedroMendez - 3. Schmeichel 4. Netto 5. Bene 6. Schwarzenbeck 7. Silva 8. Smistik 9. Pires 10. Frank De Boer 11. Carbrini 12. Klinsmann.

Teams that went out in the quarterfinals:

1. crappycraperson - 2. Figo 3. Tigana 4. Tardelli 5. Krol 6. Antonin Puc 7. Planicka 8. Ceulemans 9. Vogts 10. Rosetta 11. Dellas 12. Marcos Senna 13. Scirea 14. Koscis

9. Aldo - 1. Xavi 2. Iniesta 3. Nedved 4. Lahm 5. Albert 6. Carvalho 7. Cocu 8. Bossis 9. Kaltz 10. Baros 11. Happel 12. Nielsen 13. Nesta 14. Monti

10. Raees & Gio - 3. Kohler 4. Henry 5. Zebec 6. Hanappi 7. Beara 8. Hässler 9. Pirlo 10. Lerby 11. Ibrahimovic 12. Amoros

12. The Red Viper - 2. Sammer 3. Vieira 4. Shesternyov 5. Cannavaro 6. Piola 7. Rui Costa 8. Alonso 9. Rooney 10. Alba 11. Zeman 12. Srna. 14. Bozsik

Teams that went out in the semifinals:

4. The Stain - 1. Zidane 2. Czibor 3. Amancio 4. Förster 5. Zagorakis 6. Shearer 7. Wimmer 8. Puyol 9. Combi 10. Zambrotta 11. Joao Pinto 12. Poborsky 13. Thuram 14. Davids 15. Beckenbauer 16. Gerd Müller

8. harms - 1. Dragan Džajić 2. Sárosi 3. Schuster 4. Voronin 5. Brehme 6. Ondruš 7. Bezsonov 8. Van Moer 9. Khurtsilava 10. Ivo Viktor 11. Chislenko 12. Pietro Rava 13. Meazza 14. Yashin 15. Rijkaard 16. Facchetti

Teams meeting in the final:

2. Edgar Allan Pillow & MJJ & coolredwine - 1. Puskás 2. Masopust 3. Gullit 4. Breitner 5. Deschamps 6. Sol Campbell 7. Schweinsteiger 8. Durkovic 9. Pepe 10. Schrojf 11. Hierro 12. Sneijder 13. Blanc 14. Kluivert 15. Van Basten 16. Matthäus

7. Joga Bonito - 1. Maldini 2. B.Moore 3. Sindelar 4. Bergomi 5. Effenberg 6. Pluskal 7. Hoeneß 8. Villa 9. Elkjær 10. McManaman 11. Demyanenko 12. Platzer 13. Rummenigge 14. Desailly 15. Platini 16. Luisito Suárez Miramontes

@Theon far away the most heavily pillaged team and I'd argue one of his remaining players may yet feature in the final.

100 x :lol: lolzy
 
Thought Theon would be one of the favorites for the draft, poor bugger that was a fine team.
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
@Joga Bonito when do you want to play the finals?
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I will get back to you on that soon. Have a hectic week ahead. Actually, do you guys mind if I get an auxiliary assistant manager for just the final since I could do with one and you guys have 3 and I don't want to restrict your co managers post count? Would make for an engaging final, I hope. That's if @Balu is fine with it ofc.

Annahnomoss said:
Alright, well so far nobody sent me jack shit. Fecking imbeciles. Seems like they think this is some sort of game or something.
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:lol:
 
Annahnomoss said:
Thought Theon would be one of the favorites for the draft, poor bugger that was a fine team.
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It had the makings of one. He probably placed too much emphasis on forming the defence, which was a bit too clever for its own good. I actually didn't have a clue what he planned during the draft and it took me a while to wrap my head around it. That's not a good thing for a first round, build it more gradually, tell the story and get people to buy into it as you go along.
 
Joga Bonito said:
I will get back to you on that soon. Have a hectic week ahead. Actually, do you guys mind if I get an auxiliary assistant manager for just the final since I could do with one and you guys have 3 and I don't want to restrict your co managers post count? Would make for an engaging final, I hope. That's if @Balu is fine with it ofc.
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BTW, I googled up Me me me looking for a picture... what the feck is that all about? :eek: Weird shit.
 
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