The UEFA Euro Fantasy Draft

Let's gamble on EAP's next pick while we wait
Desailly 3:1
Koeman 4,5:1
Adams 15:1
 
There was some discussion on Kocsis rating in Euro context.. do people really think he was sub par in them?
 
Are you worried about some oldie you wanted to get your hands on?

I know who I would pick.

Meh, not really. Don't even really know who I'm going to go for at this stage.

The thing is, when it gets as ridiculous as that you can't not like the guy. I mean, he clearly is a bit special

I'd disagree. I don't really find him likeable in any manner. Just comes across as a 'cold' emotionless jerk - if you will. Nothing idiosyncratic about him like say the Old LVG or Maradona for instance. He is just a Grade A prick - good defender nonetheless.
 
There was some discussion on Kocsis rating in Euro context.. do people really think he was sub par in them?
Sub par? Of course not. But clearly not as good as he was at World Cup, when he was at his absolute peak, for example.
 
There was some discussion on Kocsis rating in Euro context.. do people really think he was sub par in them?

Couldn't tell. I don't think people rate him highly enough in general tbh. That said, he is precisely the sort of presence you need in the box to keep CBs occupied and he knew a thing or two about playing with a false 9 behind him...
 
I'd disagree. I don't really find him likeable in any manner. Just comes across as a 'cold' emotionless jerk - if you will. Nothing idiosyncratic about him like say the Old LVG or Maradona for instance. He is just a Grade A prick - good defender nonetheless.

I probably phrased that wrongly. I didn't mean he was likeable, just that you couldn't dislike him. He is just an idiot, and I generally ignore idiots as there's nothing you can do about them being so.
 
I probably phrased that wrongly. I didn't mean he was likeable, just that you couldn't dislike him. He is just an idiot, and I generally ignore idiots as there's nothing you can do about them being so.

Oh fair enough, misunderstood you.
 
Yeah, I suspected Jansen would be playing leftback. That's really useful, shame my German isn't up to scratch to navigate it.
Sometimes the line-ups aren't correct, but most of the team they have it right, so yeah, it's really useful. I don't understand why kicker don't have an English version of the homepage, it's really odd. The magazine is well known all around Europe and would certainly attract football fans from other countries as well.
 
He also played as a CB in the 1980s against Germany

Schrijvers – Wijnstekers, Krol, van de Korput, Hovenkamp (46. Nanninga) – W. van de Kerkhof, Haan, Stevens – Rep, Kist (69. Thijssen), R. van de Kerkhof -
 
Patrick Kluivert - Golden Boot winner and the best #9 remaining in the pool, I can take.

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1. crappycraperson - 1. Platini 2. Figo 3. Tigana 4. Tardelli 5. Krol 6. Antonin Puc 7. Planicka 8. Ceulemans 9. Vogts 10. Rosetta 11. Dellas 12. Marcos Senna 13. Scirea 14. Koscis

2. Edgar Allan Pillow & MJJ & coolredwine
- 1. Puskás 2. Masopust 3. Gullit 4. Breitner 5. Deschamps 6. Sol Campbell 7. Schweinsteiger 8. Durkovic 9. Pepe 10. Schrojf 11. Hierro 12. Sneijder 13. Blanc 14. Kluivert

4. The Stain - 1. Zidane 2. Czibor 3. Amancio 4. Förster 5. Zagorakis 6. Shearer 7. Wimmer 8. Puyol 9. Combi 10. Zambrotta 11. Joao Pinto 12. Poborsky 13. Thuram

7. Joga Bonito - 1. Maldini 2. B.Moore 3. Sindelar 4. Bergomi 5. Effenberg 6. Pluskal 7. Hoeneß 8. Villa 9. Elkjær 10. McManaman 11. Demyanenko 12. Platzer 13. Rummenigge

8. harms -
1. Dragan Džajić 2. Sárosi 3. Schuster 4. Voronin 5. Brehme 6. Ondruš 7. Bezsonov 8. Van Moer 9. Khurtsilava 10. Ivo Viktor 11. Chislenko 12. Pietro Rava 13. Meazza

9. Aldo -
1. Xavi 2. Iniesta 3. Nedved 4. Lahm 5. Albert 6. Carvalho 7. Cocu 8. Bossis 9. Kaltz 10. Baros 11. Happel 12. Nielsen 13. Nesta

10. Raees & Gio -
1. Rijkaard 2. Facchetti 3. Kohler 4. Henry 5. Zebec 6. Hanappi 7. Beara 8. Hässler 9. Pirlo 10. Lerby 11. Ibrahimovic 12. Amoros 13. Beckenbauer

12. The Red Viper -
1. Gerd Müller 2. Sammer 3. Vieira 4. Shesternyov 5. Cannavaro 6. Piola 7. Rui Costa 8. Alonso 9. Rooney 10. Alba 11. Zeman 12. Srna. 13. Van Basten

@The Stain
 
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Patrick Kluivert - Golden Boot winner and the best #9 remaining in the pool, I can take.

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That's paramount to a backhanded compliment. There's few better than him in the draft at what you need: a#9 with great hold-up play and great technique to get the best out of your true stars: Gullit and Puskas. I'd argue you can only improve on him with Marco.
 
That's paramount to a backhanded compliment. There's few better than him in the draft at what you need: a#9 with great hold-up play and great technique to get the best out of your true stars: Gullit and Puskas. I'd argue you can only improve on him with Marco.

Alternates were Rummenigge or RvN, Rummenigge especially. But the German quota requires too many tinkerings I can't afford now.
 
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There's a vast array of superb midfielders you could use and you have no pre-66 issues so just pick whichever adds the most. I'd go for a direct German swap or a proven Zidane partner.

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Alternates were Rummenigge or RvN, Rummenigge especially. But the German quota requires too many tinkerings I can't afford now.

Rummenigge was picked already. And you don't want Puskas and Gullit feeding RvN but playing off Kluivert, whose Euro credentials are actually stronger.
 
1. crappycraperson - 1. Platini 2. Figo 3. Tigana 4. Tardelli 5. Krol 6. Antonin Puc 7. Planicka 8. Ceulemans 9. Vogts 10. Rosetta 11. Dellas 12. Marcos Senna 13. Scirea 14. Koscis

2. Edgar Allan Pillow & MJJ & coolredwine
- 1. Puskás 2. Masopust 3. Gullit 4. Breitner 5. Deschamps 6. Sol Campbell 7. Schweinsteiger 8. Durkovic 9. Pepe 10. Schrojf 11. Hierro 12. Sneijder 13. Blanc 14. Kluivert

4. The Stain - 1. Zidane 2. Czibor 3. Amancio 4. Förster 5. Zagorakis 6. Shearer 7. Wimmer 8. Puyol 9. Combi 10. Zambrotta 11. Joao Pinto 12. Poborsky 13. Thuram 14. Davids

7. Joga Bonito - 1. Maldini 2. B.Moore 3. Sindelar 4. Bergomi 5. Effenberg 6. Pluskal 7. Hoeneß 8. Villa 9. Elkjær 10. McManaman 11. Demyanenko 12. Platzer 13. Rummenigge 14.

8. harms -
1. Dragan Džajić 2. Sárosi 3. Schuster 4. Voronin 5. Brehme 6. Ondruš 7. Bezsonov 8. Van Moer 9. Khurtsilava 10. Ivo Viktor 11. Chislenko 12. Pietro Rava 13. Meazza 14.

9. Aldo -
1. Xavi 2. Iniesta 3. Nedved 4. Lahm 5. Albert 6. Carvalho 7. Cocu 8. Bossis 9. Kaltz 10. Baros 11. Happel 12. Nielsen 13. Nesta 14.

10. Raees & Gio -
1. Rijkaard 2. Facchetti 3. Kohler 4. Henry 5. Zebec 6. Hanappi 7. Beara 8. Hässler 9. Pirlo 10. Lerby 11. Ibrahimovic 12. Amoros 13. Beckenbauer 14.

12. The Red Viper -
1. Gerd Müller 2. Sammer 3. Vieira 4. Shesternyov 5. Cannavaro 6. Piola 7. Rui Costa 8. Alonso 9. Rooney 10. Alba 11. Zeman 12. Srna. 13. Van Basten 14.

@Joga Bonito
 
How does one transcend an impenetrable wall?

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By adding 'The Rock' to it of course.



A star performer for over a decade, Desailly's displays in the EURO finals of 1996 and 2000 gained him back-to-back selections for UEFA's Team of the Tournament. A UEFA Champions League winner with Olympique de Marseille and AC Milan in successive seasons, Desailly helped France to the EURO '96 semi-finals and 1998 FIFA World Cup success, despite being sent off in the final. A key component of the 1996 French vintage which just conceded 2 goals in 5 games (keeping a clean sheet in both the quarter finals and the semis) and succumbed to a penalty shoot out defeat in the semis to the Czech. At UEFA EURO 2000 he was the only Frenchman to start and finish all six matches and arguably the most consistent and the best central defender of the tournament.


La force tranquille" (“Strength and serenity”) was a slogan used by former French President Francois Mitterand in one of his victorious election campaigns, though it could just as easily be used to describe the virtues of Marcel Desailly, one of the finest defenders to play for France.

After winning the Champions League with Marseille he went to Milan where he must have been awe-struck at sharing the same dressing room with the likes of Maldini and Baresi.

I think the players were wondering what I was doing there. I’m not sure they knew who I was. I was close to wondering what I was doing there, too, because it all happened in such a funny way, such a set of circumstances. Braida had come to see Marseille-St Etienne to observe Alen Boksic but I played really well and he put a little tick next to my name that day. It was my best game of the season!

When Boban got injured in the Milan derby at the start of the following season, Braida said “I’ve got the guy we need – Desailly!” Everybody looked at him like he was mad and said “Who’s he?” Fabio Capello didn’t know me, or at least not very well. As for Franco Baresi… I’m not sure he even knew how to pronounce my name! [Laughs] But they were top professionals and they greeted me as such. On top of that, I had the good fortune to have Jean-Pierre Papin there, and he looked after me, showed me the ropes.

However, he adapted seamlessly to the tactical rigours of Italian football, and became the cornerstone of a Milan side dripping with talent. Desailly was entrusted by coach Fabio Capello in a deep-lying midfield position, providing additional protection for a virtually impregnable back line formed by Mauro Tassotti, Franco Baresi, Alessandro Costacurta and Paolo Maldini.

After moving to Chelsea in 1998, much to the disappointment of Milan fans, Desailly returned to the San Siro for a Champions League match the following year - an occasion that would prove one of the emotional highpoints of his career and which he later described as “even more moving than winning the World Cup”.

“During the warm-up the whole stadium started applauding me as one,” he said. “I walked over and saw a banner that read: ‘You will always be in our hearts’. To get that kind of recognition was so touching. I wasn’t a playmaker or a goalscorer and yet there they were, cheering me like I was Van Basten. It’s something I’ll remember for the rest of my life.”

Modest, motivated and masterful with it, Desailly was the ultimate footballing strongman, his ability to tame opposing strikers founded as much on his mental attributes and tactical astuteness as it was on his sheer physical presence. Truly a rock of ages, his place in the footballing pantheon could not be more secure.

Paolo Maldini: "He is without doubt the greatest foreign defender ever to have played in calcio". It didn’t take him long to get to grips with Italian football or impose his character.”

Michael Owen: "Desailly was virtually impossible to play against. He was strong, quick, and good on the ball."

Brian Laudrup: "Definitely the hardest player to come up against – it was nearly impossible to get past him [...]"
 
1. crappycraperson - 1. Platini 2. Figo 3. Tigana 4. Tardelli 5. Krol 6. Antonin Puc 7. Planicka 8. Ceulemans 9. Vogts 10. Rosetta 11. Dellas 12. Marcos Senna 13. Scirea 14. Koscis

2. Edgar Allan Pillow & MJJ & coolredwine
- 1. Puskás 2. Masopust 3. Gullit 4. Breitner 5. Deschamps 6. Sol Campbell 7. Schweinsteiger 8. Durkovic 9. Pepe 10. Schrojf 11. Hierro 12. Sneijder 13. Blanc 14. Kluivert

4. The Stain - 1. Zidane 2. Czibor 3. Amancio 4. Förster 5. Zagorakis 6. Shearer 7. Wimmer 8. Puyol 9. Combi 10. Zambrotta 11. Joao Pinto 12. Poborsky 13. Thuram 14. Davids

7. Joga Bonito - 1. Maldini 2. B.Moore 3. Sindelar 4. Bergomi 5. Effenberg 6. Pluskal 7. Hoeneß 8. Villa 9. Elkjær 10. McManaman 11. Demyanenko 12. Platzer 13. Rummenigge 14.

8. harms -
1. Dragan Džajić 2. Sárosi 3. Schuster 4. Voronin 5. Brehme 6. Ondruš 7. Bezsonov 8. Van Moer 9. Khurtsilava 10. Ivo Viktor 11. Chislenko 12. Pietro Rava 13. Meazza 14.

9. Aldo -
1. Xavi 2. Iniesta 3. Nedved 4. Lahm 5. Albert 6. Carvalho 7. Cocu 8. Bossis 9. Kaltz 10. Baros 11. Happel 12. Nielsen 13. Nesta 14.

10. Raees & Gio -
1. Rijkaard 2. Facchetti 3. Kohler 4. Henry 5. Zebec 6. Hanappi 7. Beara 8. Hässler 9. Pirlo 10. Lerby 11. Ibrahimovic 12. Amoros 13. Beckenbauer 14.

12. The Red Viper -
1. Gerd Müller 2. Sammer 3. Vieira 4. Shesternyov 5. Cannavaro 6. Piola 7. Rui Costa 8. Alonso 9. Rooney 10. Alba 11. Zeman 12. Srna. 13. Van Basten 14.


@harms
 
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I am a big fan of Ivo Viktor, but he will need to make room for the best ever here.

1. crappycraperson - 1. Platini 2. Figo 3. Tigana 4. Tardelli 5. Krol 6. Antonin Puc 7. Planicka 8. Ceulemans 9. Vogts 10. Rosetta 11. Dellas 12. Marcos Senna 13. Scirea 14. Koscis

2. Edgar Allan Pillow & MJJ & coolredwine
- 1. Puskás 2. Masopust 3. Gullit 4. Breitner 5. Deschamps 6. Sol Campbell 7. Schweinsteiger 8. Durkovic 9. Pepe 10. Schrojf 11. Hierro 12. Sneijder 13. Blanc 14. Kluivert

4. The Stain - 1. Zidane 2. Czibor 3. Amancio 4. Förster 5. Zagorakis 6. Shearer 7. Wimmer 8. Puyol 9. Combi 10. Zambrotta 11. Joao Pinto 12. Poborsky 13. Thuram 14. Davids

7. Joga Bonito - 1. Maldini 2. B.Moore 3. Sindelar 4. Bergomi 5. Effenberg 6. Pluskal 7. Hoeneß 8. Villa 9. Elkjær 10. McManaman 11. Demyanenko 12. Platzer 13. Rummenigge 14. Desailly

8. harms -
1. Dragan Džajić 2. Sárosi 3. Schuster 4. Voronin 5. Brehme 6. Ondruš 7. Bezsonov 8. Van Moer 9. Khurtsilava 10. Ivo Viktor 11. Chislenko 12. Pietro Rava 13. Meazza 14. Yashin

9. Aldo -
1. Xavi 2. Iniesta 3. Nedved 4. Lahm 5. Albert 6. Carvalho 7. Cocu 8. Bossis 9. Kaltz 10. Baros 11. Happel 12. Nielsen 13. Nesta 14.

10. Raees & Gio -
1. Rijkaard 2. Facchetti 3. Kohler 4. Henry 5. Zebec 6. Hanappi 7. Beara 8. Hässler 9. Pirlo 10. Lerby 11. Ibrahimovic 12. Amoros 13. Beckenbauer 14.

12. The Red Viper -
1. Gerd Müller 2. Sammer 3. Vieira 4. Shesternyov 5. Cannavaro 6. Piola 7. Rui Costa 8. Alonso 9. Rooney 10. Alba 11. Zeman 12. Srna. 13. Van Basten 14.


@Aldo
 
1. crappycraperson - 1. Platini 2. Figo 3. Tigana 4. Tardelli 5. Krol 6. Antonin Puc 7. Planicka 8. Ceulemans 9. Vogts 10. Rosetta 11. Dellas 12. Marcos Senna 13. Scirea 14. Koscis

2. Edgar Allan Pillow & MJJ & coolredwine
- 1. Puskás 2. Masopust 3. Gullit 4. Breitner 5. Deschamps 6. Sol Campbell 7. Schweinsteiger 8. Durkovic 9. Pepe 10. Schrojf 11. Hierro 12. Sneijder 13. Blanc 14. Kluivert

4. The Stain - 1. Zidane 2. Czibor 3. Amancio 4. Förster 5. Zagorakis 6. Shearer 7. Wimmer 8. Puyol 9. Combi 10. Zambrotta 11. Joao Pinto 12. Poborsky 13. Thuram 14. Davids

7. Joga Bonito - 1. Maldini 2. B.Moore 3. Sindelar 4. Bergomi 5. Effenberg 6. Pluskal 7. Hoeneß 8. Villa 9. Elkjær 10. McManaman 11. Demyanenko 12. Platzer 13. Rummenigge 14. Desailly

8. harms -
1. Dragan Džajić 2. Sárosi 3. Schuster 4. Voronin 5. Brehme 6. Ondruš 7. Bezsonov 8. Van Moer 9. Khurtsilava 10. Ivo Viktor 11. Chislenko 12. Pietro Rava 13. Meazza 14. Yashin

9. Aldo -
1. Xavi 2. Iniesta 3. Nedved 4. Lahm 5. Albert 6. Carvalho 7. Cocu 8. Bossis 9. Kaltz 10. Baros 11. Happel 12. Nielsen 13. Nesta 14. Monti

10. Raees & Gio -
1. Rijkaard 2. Facchetti 3. Kohler 4. Henry 5. Zebec 6. Hanappi 7. Beara 8. Hässler 9. Pirlo 10. Lerby 11. Ibrahimovic 12. Amoros 13. Beckenbauer 14.

12. The Red Viper -
1. Gerd Müller 2. Sammer 3. Vieira 4. Shesternyov 5. Cannavaro 6. Piola 7. Rui Costa 8. Alonso 9. Rooney 10. Alba 11. Zeman 12. Srna. 13. Van Basten 14.

@Raees @Gio
 
Patrick Kluivert - Golden Boot winner and the best #9 remaining in the pool, I can take.

Great pick! One of those players that was at his absolute peak at the Euros, and a great complement to your other attackers. Blanc was a cracking pick too. Big upgrade over Hierro in terms of Euro credentials. Good work all around mate.
 
How does one transcend an impenetrable wall?

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By adding 'The Rock' to it of course.

Ridiculous that he took so long. I can understand crappy not wanting a Frenchman and EAP preferring Blanc as the Hierro upgrade and partner for Sol, but I'm buggered if I know what Nesta has on him. I assume Aldo is secretly pining for another Frenchman?