The UEFA Euro Fantasy Draft

I was considering Busi as well. It was between him and Xabi. I don't think he isn't rated. He is rated. The reason I stayed away from him was because people only viewed him as someone who would only do well in a particular system, which is why I went with Xabi as he could fit in most of the systems while you would have to sell Busquets being able to play in a particular system.

Players like Busquets and Carrick will always be underrated because their position/role is so difficult to understand and explain. Even the ones who follow the game closely are having problems with rating them fairly as they see them as good players but not as great ones. Just remember what was the story with Carrick before it was popular(last season with Fergie the muppetry started) to rate him. And the reason why that happened was because his passing returned after some time.
Even when his passing wasnt at his best he was still top player but the people didnt understand that and most of them were convinced he wasnt good enough....

With Busquets, the situation is similar as his job on first glance looks so easy on the eye and when people talk about Barca they talk about Messi, Xavi and Iniesta and in my book there are 4 geniuses there not three.
I rate Buske even higher then Iniesta, i understand that Busquets mom and me are probably the only one in the world who think so but feck it....he was the reason why tiki taka was so good. When you surround him with proper players you just know that your team is dominate possession no matter who you playing against because your opponent just cant take the ball. If you stand back they will play their game, if you pressure them you see the reason why is Busquets so good. You just cant pressure him he is so good and calm under pressure its unbelievable and he has the brain and technique to match it.


and to finish this wankfest i will say i agree with you, Alonso is "better" as you dont depend on that one system but i dont like to change systems in the middle of the draft so it was a no brainer for me as it was to you :)
 
It's not that I think Busquets is bad player, far from it. It's just that the system in which he excels is not one I enjoy watching. I prefer a more direct Bielsa style of football.
 
It's not that I think Busquets is bad player, far from it. It's just that the system in which he excels is not one I enjoy watching. I prefer a more direct Bielsa style of football.

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Hmm crunch time here.. the next signing might make you all cum but it is a huge gamble.
 
1. crappycraperson - 1. Platini 2. Figo 3. Tigana 4. Tardelli 5. Krol 6. Antonin Puc 7. Planicka 8. Ceulemans 9. Vogts
2. Edgar Allan Pillow & MJJ & coolredwine - 1. Puskás 2. Masopust 3. Gullit 4. Breitner 5. Deschamps 6. Sol Campbell 7. Schweinsteiger 8. Durkovic 9. Pepe
3. Paolo Di Canio - 1. Cristiano Ronaldo 2. Blanc 3. Lev Yashin 4. van Nistelrooy 5. Gentile 6. Domenghini 7. Ballack 8. Bergkamp 9. Camacho
4. The Stain - 1. Zidane 2. Czibor 3. Amancio 4. Förster 5. Zagorakis 6. Shearer 7. Wimmer 8. Puyol 9. Combi
5. Skizzo & Pat_Mustard - 1. van Basten 2. Netzer 3. Monti 4. Popluhár 5. Bonhof 6. Suker 7. Sergio Ramos 8. Olivella 9. Jarni
6. Stobzilla - 1. Beckenbauer 2. B.Charlton 3. Bican 4. Gascoigne 5. Brian Laudrup 6. Kuznetsov 7. Capdevila 8. Branko Stanković 9. Pešek
7. Joga Bonito - 1. Maldini 2. B.Moore 3. Sindelar 4. Bergomi 5. Effenberg 6. Pluskal 7. Hoeneß 8. Villa 9. Elkjær
8. harms - 1. Dragan Džajić 2. Sárosi 3. Schuster 4. Voronin 5. Brehme 6. Ondruš 7. Bezsonov 8. Van Moer 9. Khurtsilava
9. Aldo - 1. Xavi 2. Iniesta 3. Nedved 4. Lahm 5. Albert 6. Carvalho 7. Cocu 8. Bossis 9. Kaltz
10. Raees & Gio - 1. Rijkaard 2. Facchetti 3. Kohler 4. Henry 5. Zebec 6. Hanappi 7. Beara 8. Hässler 9.
11. Theon & NM - 1. Matthäus 2. Bozsik 3. Davids 4. Desailly 5. Kocsis 6. Burgnich 7. Stielike 8. Luigi Riva 9.
12. The Red Viper - 1. Gerd Müller 2. Sammer 3. Vieira 4. Shesternyov 5. Cannavaro 6. Piola 7. Rui Costa 8. Alonso 9.
13. big red123 - 1. Cruyff 2. Baresi 3. Stoichkov 4. Michael Laudrup 5. Koeman 6. Buzánszky 7. Grosics 8. Ladislav Novák 9.
14. Šjor Bepo & Physiocrat - 1. Luis Suarez 2. Nesta 3. Hidegkuti 4. Ivanov 5. Giresse 6. Stam 7. Briegel 8. Busquets 9.
15. ctp - 1. Rummenigge 2. Scirea 3. Ocwirk 4. Mazzola 5. Gerets 6. Lizarazu 7. Nausch 8. Iribar 9.
16. PedroMendez - 1. Meazza 2. Thuram 3. Schmeichel 4. Netto 5. Bene 6. Schwarzenbeck 7. Silva 8. Smistik 9.

@Raees @Gio
 
1. crappycraperson - 1. Platini 2. Figo 3. Tigana 4. Tardelli 5. Krol 6. Antonin Puc 7. Planicka 8. Ceulemans 9. Vogts
2. Edgar Allan Pillow & MJJ & coolredwine - 1. Puskás 2. Masopust 3. Gullit 4. Breitner 5. Deschamps 6. Sol Campbell 7. Schweinsteiger 8. Durkovic 9. Pepe
3. Paolo Di Canio - 1. Cristiano Ronaldo 2. Blanc 3. Lev Yashin 4. van Nistelrooy 5. Gentile 6. Domenghini 7. Ballack 8. Bergkamp 9. Camacho
4. The Stain - 1. Zidane 2. Czibor 3. Amancio 4. Förster 5. Zagorakis 6. Shearer 7. Wimmer 8. Puyol 9. Combi
5. Skizzo & Pat_Mustard - 1. van Basten 2. Netzer 3. Monti 4. Popluhár 5. Bonhof 6. Suker 7. Sergio Ramos 8. Olivella 9. Jarni
6. Stobzilla - 1. Beckenbauer 2. B.Charlton 3. Bican 4. Gascoigne 5. Brian Laudrup 6. Kuznetsov 7. Capdevila 8. Branko Stanković 9. Pešek
7. Joga Bonito - 1. Maldini 2. B.Moore 3. Sindelar 4. Bergomi 5. Effenberg 6. Pluskal 7. Hoeneß 8. Villa 9. Elkjær
8. harms - 1. Dragan Džajić 2. Sárosi 3. Schuster 4. Voronin 5. Brehme 6. Ondruš 7. Bezsonov 8. Van Moer 9. Khurtsilava
9. Aldo - 1. Xavi 2. Iniesta 3. Nedved 4. Lahm 5. Albert 6. Carvalho 7. Cocu 8. Bossis 9. Kaltz
10. Raees & Gio - 1. Rijkaard 2. Facchetti 3. Kohler 4. Henry 5. Zebec 6. Hanappi 7. Beara 8. Hässler 9. Pirlo
11. Theon & NM - 1. Matthäus 2. Bozsik 3. Davids 4. Desailly 5. Kocsis 6. Burgnich 7. Stielike 8. Luigi Riva 9.
12. The Red Viper - 1. Gerd Müller 2. Sammer 3. Vieira 4. Shesternyov 5. Cannavaro 6. Piola 7. Rui Costa 8. Alonso 9.
13. big red123 - 1. Cruyff 2. Baresi 3. Stoichkov 4. Michael Laudrup 5. Koeman 6. Buzánszky 7. Grosics 8. Ladislav Novák 9.
14. Šjor Bepo & Physiocrat - 1. Luis Suarez 2. Nesta 3. Hidegkuti 4. Ivanov 5. Giresse 6. Stam 7. Briegel 8. Busquets 9.
15. ctp - 1. Rummenigge 2. Scirea 3. Ocwirk 4. Mazzola 5. Gerets 6. Lizarazu 7. Nausch 8. Iribar 9.
16. PedroMendez - 1. Meazza 2. Thuram 3. Schmeichel 4. Netto 5. Bene 6. Schwarzenbeck 7. Silva 8. Smistik 9.
 
I was wondering was there a chance that he won't be picked at all :lol:
Recent heroes are underappreciated here.
 
I was getting pissed off seeing most of the shortlist getting decimated and him, up near the top, twiddling his thumbs waiting for a sympathetic manager. Plus Raees had a massive boner about him for long enough.
 
I love him.. Thanks Gio - christmas has come early. If we go out because people don't rate the Italian maestro so be it. For me the standout player in 2012.. until he got gangbanged by the Spaniards.

Compare Xavis team mates to what Pirlo had and it wasn't an even fight.
 
I love him.. Thanks Gio - christmas has come early. If we go out because people don't rate the Italian maestro so be it. For me the standout player in 2012.. until he got gangbanged by the Spaniards.

Compare Xavis team mates to what Pirlo had and it wasn't an even fight.
Only a mad man won't rate Pirlo, but he is one who makes people pay far more attention to the system than most other players.
Cracking pick though!
 
He was arguably the best player in that tournament to be honest, more or less nothing separates him and Rummenigge.
Ceulemans? Yups, runs Rummenigge close and I'd hand it to Ceulemans on account of being a one-man team. A force of nature.

Schuster was also up there but more like the tourno revelation pushing into top three. A bit like Müller in WC 2010, ended in the fight for top spots but not quite there, but you could see he was going places and was the breakthrough prospect to keep an eye on because with more experience he could surpass them all.
 
One of the stars of Euro 1984 - Preben Elkjær Larsen

Elkjær played a prominent role in the rise of the Danish Dynamites in Euro 1984 and no one epitomised that barnstorming team better than The Crazy Man from Lokeren. The tournament started with an encounter against Platini's France, where Denmark delivered a defensive masterclass stifling France (and Platini who was frankly shut down apart from a jammy goal and a threatening header or two) with Elkjaer being their sole goal threat (esp from a couple of lovely balls by ****). Elkjær proved to be too hot to handle against Yugoslavia in the second match where he notched a goal and was a constant menace for their defense with his powerful and irrepressible play. In the vital third group game against Ceulemans Belgium, where Denmark needed a draw at the very least to progress, Elkjær was at his boisterous match-winning best. Denmark were down by 2 goals by 39 minutes and were staring at an early exit when Elkjaer stepped up to the plate. After a good piece of play, Elkjær was fouled in the box which resulted in a penalty that Denmark duly converted. Denmark soon equalised with 30 mins to go and Elkjaer completed the fantastic come back with a glorious goal.



Elkjær once again had a terrific game against Spain in the semi finals where the Spanish goalie did well to keep out his header on the 7th minute but the rebound kindly fell to **** who slotted the ball into an empty net, giving Denmark the lead. Despite being on top for most periods of the game, Denmark were pegged back by Spain and the match eventually went to penalties. Unfortunately, Elkjær was to have a Baggio-esque farewell to the tournament missing the penalty in the shoot out but taking nothing away from his effervescent displays throughout the tournament, which heralded his (and the Danish Dynamites) rise to the international scene.



His performances led to a move to Hellas Verona and we all know how that went. Elkjaer was rewarded with a bronze balon d'Or behind Platini and Tigana for his displays in the Euro 1984 and an exhilarating half season with Hellas Verona.


A decent article & video on Elkjaer

Preben Elkjaer proved three things in his career: You don’t have to be short to be a sensational dribbler. You don’t have to be serious to be successful. And you don’t need shoes to score goals.




With his crazy dribbles, tank-like physique and clownish actions Preben Elkjaer was perhaps Europe’s most eye-catching player in the mid 80’s. He led both club and country to unprecedented success and finished twice on the podium of the Ballon d’Or. But how many football fans today are still familiar with Elkjaer?

Far too few. One place where they’ll never forget him though is the Italian city of Verona. It was there that Elkjaer achieved the greatest upset of not just his career, but the entire history of Italian football. In the 1984-85 season not the great Juventus, or AC Milan, or Inter, or Maradona´s Napoli, or even AS Roma managed to win the Scudetto. Instead, it was Elkjaer’s Hellas Verona. The Danish dribbler stole the show by scoring the iconic goal of that campaign against Platini´s Juventus. As he launched another solo, he lost his right boot, kept going, glided past another defender, and scored with his sock. The footage of this famous goal is included in the special video 4Dfoot created for this edition of Forgotten Footballer:

Elkjaer’s exploits changed Italian football. In the past, a single man had been responsible for appointing referees. An easy target for Italian-style influencing by rich presidents of big clubs. For the 1984/85 season, the Italian FA had replaced this practise with a system of random referee appointments. Coincidence or not – it was that year that Verona won the Serie A. Shocked by the result, the Italian FA quickly reinstated their referee-appointer, to the satisfaction of a few wealthy presidents. Since then, no minor side has ever won the Serie A again. It makes Elkjaer’s achievement with Verona all the more extraordinary. Hellas Verona were relegated the season after Elkjaer left, putting his importance to his team and the title win in perspective.

Another place where Elkjaer is still remembered fondly is Denmark. Before he arrived on the scene, the Danes had never even qualified for a major tournament. With Elkjaer leading the line of a great generation, Denmark surprised the world with spectacular performances in both the 1984 Euro and 1986 World Cup. The Danes appeared to actually enjoy playing football, and Elkjaer symbolized their care-free attitude more than anyone. Where others were seen labouring hard to maintain a disciplined work-rate, Elkjaer appeared to laugh his way to success. The crowds loved him for it. His coaches didn’t. On one occassion, years earlier, the German disciplinarian Hennes Weisweiller informed Elkjær that he knew the player had visited a nightclub in the company of a bottle of whiskey and a lady. Elkjaer responded that it was all a lie. It had been a bottle of vodka. And two ladies.

This same boldness that he showed off the field enabled him to take on defender after defender on the field. In Mexico 1986, he scored a hat trick in Denmark’s 6-1 demolition of Uruguay and was voted third best player of the tournament. Denmark went home after the first KO game, but Elkjaer had left his impression on the world.

An impression that, sadly, hasn’t lasted as long as it should have.

You know what? Tough shit on whoever you play, I'll vote you however long you last and against you once you inevitably drop him to pander to the masses.

One of the best all-round strikers I've seen. It may be just the impact of him being the first of the "modern strikers" (even the FIFA technical report in 86 highlighted his uniqueness and how players like him where the future) but I'm not having him always being in the leftovers bucket every draft.

The funny thing is I should hate his guts for that demolition, but like many experienced in 74, it was a massive eye-opener for me. I had watched a lot of great teams already, but that Danish side played football like it was a work of art, and joy.
 
Genuine question, anyone having trouble with defenders? I struggle to think of more than 10 truly outstanding defensive performances.
 
Genuine question, anyone having trouble with defenders? I struggle to think of more than 10 truly outstanding defensive performances.
Yeah, Euro's turned out to be a much more attack-oriented tournament than the World Cup.
 
Genuine question, anyone having trouble with defenders? I struggle to think of more than 10 truly outstanding defensive performances.
Yo, how do you like my team so far?

Theme : Spain Euro 2008 4-4-2/4-2-2-2

I went about picking players who would fit into that system and play the similar brand of football that entertaining Spanish team played. All players including the back 4 have no problem on the ball whatsoever.

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Genuine question, anyone having trouble with defenders? I struggle to think of more than 10 truly outstanding defensive performances.

Agree about Cuelemans.

Regarding defenders, I am really unsure how the rules should be defined - I think it is rather free for the managers to decide how they want to take it.

But if a defender is great in all two performances and makes no mistakes then he must be considered to be at the damn near highest level. Only players who positively affected the offense as well could then be considered as having even better performances.

Luiz has plenty of 10/10 performances every year, if he had one of his great run of form in one of the earlier Euro's which just lasted two matches then he would be one of the greatest defenders in the draft.

Affecting the offense with goals and great passing while not conceding anything or making any mistakes.

But then that clearly goes against sense, and we've seen loads of big names picked as well. There has been quite a few brilliant defensive performances from players in teams who were knocked out in the first round.

Their Euro average is still as high as it could be, regardless of how successful their team was.

I will sit back and wait for some sort of precedent on the whole thing before I vote.
 
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Only a mad man won't rate Pirlo, but he is one who makes people pay far more attention to the system than most other players.
Cracking pick though!
There's absolutely nothing wrong with Pirlo and I'm baffled how he lasted 9 rounds, particularly on Euro form.
 
Yo, how do you like my team so far?

Theme : Spain Euro 2008 4-4-2/4-2-2-2

I went about picking players who would fit into that system and play the similar brand of football that entertaining Spanish team played. All players including the back 4 have no problem on the ball whatsoever.

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I liked it when I saw it this morning and it was clear what theme you were going for.

It's difficult with this pesky Euro rule though. I don't love the back four although they all individually had good tournos. It maybe that my instinctive reaction is to use Bossis and Lahm to form a back three with someone else and play Cocu behind Xavi and Iniesta in a 3-4-3 ;)

Sure, that's no longer Spain 08, but I suppose ST will be someone who can benefit from Kaltz' crossing? At which point it starts drifting away from the theme anyway. Odd choice Mani TBH.

I would certainly swap Xavi and Cocu, don't recall seeing Cocu on the right?
 
didnt want to take the risk with Busquets but think i will with my next picks....will leave one player for the last round even though we dont really have alternative for him and @Physiocrat will probably kill me if he gets picked :nervous:
 
Didn't he play on the right when he was partnered with Davids? Anyway this is just the initial look, can make these changes later. Nedved and Iniesta are also easily interchangable, both performed well on both flanks if you consider all their Euro performances so it's all quite flexible.

Yea, the ST would probably be someone who can use those crosses, but my priority is to stick with the theme. I wasn't planning on Kaltz, but saw he was available and given his ability on the ball, he fit in well as a fullback of this type of a team. The ST would also have to be pre 66.
 
Agree about Cuelemans.

Regarding defenders, I am really unsure how the rules should be defined - I think it is rather free for the managers to decide how they want to take it.

But if a defender is great in all two performances and makes no mistakes then he must be considered to be at the damn near highest level. Only players who positively affected the offense as well could then be considered as having even better performances.

Luiz has plenty of 10/10 performances every year, if he had one of his great run of form in one of the earlier Euro's which just lasted two matches then he would be one of the greatest defenders in the draft.

Affecting the offense with goals and great passing while not conceding anything or making any mistakes.

But then that clearly goes against sense, and we've seen loads of big names picked as well. There has been quite a few brilliant defensive performances from players in teams who were knocked out in the first round.

Their Euro average is still as high as it could be, regardless of how successful their team was.

I will sit back and wait for some sort of precedent on the whole thing before I vote.

It's clear as day many players have been picked on reputation, not Euro form. In fact I don't recall the Italians having their usual WC/CL form at Euros.

It's a bit shit because out of the CBs picked so far Campbell is probably top 10. Will he be rated as such? The feck he will.

I'd argue most players will be assessed on reputation and a few standouts on Euro form, typically attacking players and the odd CM.

A bit unfair on those staying true to the rules, but we all know that's a stupid way to go about trying to win a draft.

Take KH Forster, there's no doubt in my mind his Euro 80 was better than any of the usual Italian suspects (even Maldini had some great games but never had a Euro like KHs). Will count for jack shit though.
 
didnt want to take the risk with Busquets but think i will with my next picks....will leave one player for the last round even though we dont really have alternative for him and @Physiocrat will probably kill me if he gets picked :nervous:

You're lady in the relationship. You wanted Busquets and he didn't - so you compromised and got him. Now he wants a player that you don't want so you compromised and don't pick him. :lol::devil:
 
It's clear as day many players have been picked on reputation, not Euro form. In fact I don't recall the Italians having their usual WC/CL form at Euros.

It's a bit shit because out of the CBs picked so far Campbell is probably top 10. Will he be rated as such? The feck he will.

I'd argue most players will be assessed on reputation and a few standouts on Euro form, typically attacking players and the odd CM.

A bit unfair on those staying true to the rules, but we all know that's a stupid way to go about trying to win a draft.

Take KH Forster, there's no doubt in my mind his Euro 80 was better than any of the usual Italian suspects (even Maldini had some great games but never had a Euro like KHs). Will count for jack shit though.

Yup, my concern as well.
 
You're lady in the relationship. You wanted Busquets and he didn't - so you compromised and got him. Now he wants a player that you don't want so you compromised and don't pick him. :lol::devil:

:lol::lol::lol: next pick is his :D
 
Didn't he play on the right when he was partnered with Davids?

Thus the question mark! I imagined he must have as out of the two you would keep Davids left, but with Xavi the opposite is the case... but I would probably prefer Nedved on the opposite side to Xavi tbh and Iniesta left and Nedved right... I suppose you will just get shot of Philip before it is in any way relevant :(

I can think of one particular striker who would have been awesome but just about missed on Euros :(
 
Been eying him up for a few rounds now - I'll take Vukas

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1. crappycraperson - 1. Platini 2. Figo 3. Tigana 4. Tardelli 5. Krol 6. Antonin Puc 7. Planicka 8. Ceulemans 9. Vogts
2. Edgar Allan Pillow & MJJ & coolredwine - 1. Puskás 2. Masopust 3. Gullit 4. Breitner 5. Deschamps 6. Sol Campbell 7. Schweinsteiger 8. Durkovic 9. Pepe
3. Paolo Di Canio - 1. Cristiano Ronaldo 2. Blanc 3. Lev Yashin 4. van Nistelrooy 5. Gentile 6. Domenghini 7. Ballack 8. Bergkamp 9. Camacho
4. The Stain - 1. Zidane 2. Czibor 3. Amancio 4. Förster 5. Zagorakis 6. Shearer 7. Wimmer 8. Puyol 9. Combi
5. Skizzo & Pat_Mustard - 1. van Basten 2. Netzer 3. Monti 4. Popluhár 5. Bonhof 6. Suker 7. Sergio Ramos 8. Olivella 9. Jarni
6. Stobzilla - 1. Beckenbauer 2. B.Charlton 3. Bican 4. Gascoigne 5. Brian Laudrup 6. Kuznetsov 7. Capdevila 8. Branko Stanković 9. Pešek
7. Joga Bonito - 1. Maldini 2. B.Moore 3. Sindelar 4. Bergomi 5. Effenberg 6. Pluskal 7. Hoeneß 8. Villa 9. Elkjær
8. harms - 1. Dragan Džajić 2. Sárosi 3. Schuster 4. Voronin 5. Brehme 6. Ondruš 7. Bezsonov 8. Van Moer 9. Khurtsilava
9. Aldo - 1. Xavi 2. Iniesta 3. Nedved 4. Lahm 5. Albert 6. Carvalho 7. Cocu 8. Bossis 9. Kaltz
10. Raees & Gio - 1. Rijkaard 2. Facchetti 3. Kohler 4. Henry 5. Zebec 6. Hanappi 7. Beara 8. Hässler 9. Pirlo
11. Theon & NM - 1. Matthäus 2. Bozsik 3. Davids 4. Desailly 5. Kocsis 6. Burgnich 7. Stielike 8. Luigi Riva 9. Vukas
12. The Red Viper - 1. Gerd Müller 2. Sammer 3. Vieira 4. Shesternyov 5. Cannavaro 6. Piola 7. Rui Costa 8. Alonso 9.
13. big red123 - 1. Cruyff 2. Baresi 3. Stoichkov 4. Michael Laudrup 5. Koeman 6. Buzánszky 7. Grosics 8. Ladislav Novák 9.
14. Šjor Bepo & Physiocrat - 1. Luis Suarez 2. Nesta 3. Hidegkuti 4. Ivanov 5. Giresse 6. Stam 7. Briegel 8. Busquets 9.
15. ctp - 1. Rummenigge 2. Scirea 3. Ocwirk 4. Mazzola 5. Gerets 6. Lizarazu 7. Nausch 8. Iribar 9.
16. PedroMendez - 1. Meazza 2. Thuram 3. Schmeichel 4. Netto 5. Bene 6. Schwarzenbeck 7. Silva 8. Smistik 9.

@The Red Viper
 
I'll vote you however long you last and against you once you inevitably drop him to pander to the masses.

:lol:. Tbf, if I wanted to pander to the masses I would have gone for any of the 3 more recognisable strikers left on my shortlist. Elkjaer is most certainly not one who needs upgrading unless a top top striker becomes available and I'm set in the other areas. He is a bit of a fav of mine from THAT team which I'm obviously not going to go into detail about.

You are right in that he is a superb all-round striker. He has the pace, strength, dribbling, aerial prowess, ability to combine with others, propensity to fashion chances for himself, non-stop running (imagine the case if he wasn't a serial smoker :lol:) and just about every other quality you want from your striker. More importantly, it was his tactical flexibility (can function extremely well in both flanks/channels and can even play off a striker when needed) which really stands out. You'd look at him and be mistaken for thinking that he was just a lumbering target man judging by his appearance alone, when the reality couldn't be further from the truth. Truly a complete package and a pain in the arse for just about any type of defender.