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The UEFA Euro Fantasy Draft
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Hell, I thought he was even pre-CEIC. He was Masopust's idol and considering many here consider Masopust ancient...
Did he play in the 1st CEIC?
The link posted by ctp no longer seems to be working.
We could quite easily be talking about Pele, the great Eusebio, Gerd Muller, Romario or even the phenominal rate Leonel Messi finds the back of the net - but no - this accolade goes quite resoundingly to one; Josef "Pepi" Bican.
This Vienna-born, war-time professional footballer is accounted for by many as eclipsing any strike rate records known to the history of our game. Eligible for both Austria and Czechoslovakia, he scored an un-heard of 395 goals in just 217 leaue games. It was totalled that across his 27 year - part war time - professional career he amounted to a monumental 607 league goals in only 406 appearences.
All well and good then, ludicrous infact; the real question must then be: Why have we heard nothing about this sure-fire gem of the footballing game?
Josef was born into a working class family amidst the beginnings of World War 1, his Father Frantisek, a keen footballer, was called to leave his club - Hertha Vienna - and fight for his country. Returning home uninjured it proceeded a tragic moment in young Bican Jr's life as following a kidney injury playing for Vienna and the refusal to accept an operation, he'd lose his life at the tragic age of 30.
With no figure to idolise 7 year old Josef Bican and his family were left in extreme poverty, with barely any money to fund the son's obvious talent. It's reported Bican regularly played football with bare feet, to the extent his control and touch had become quite exquisite.
At 12 though, Josef got his first real break whilst playing for his school. His father's ex-side Hertha Vienna took him into their second team and he began playing at amateur level. Not long after his 18th birthday, Bican was causing waves and got snapped up by Rapid Vienna - not only the biggest side in Vienna but the whole of Austria at the time.
Boy did he pay back the 150 schillings spent on him that day.
He reached 52 league goals in his first real crack at the 'big-time' in under 50 appearences, the Vienna side were understandably taken aback by just what they had come across. The forward was powerfully built, very much a physical player but with the acceleration to cover 100m in 10.8 seconds, in the 1930's - it was quite remarkable.
The accolades European and Worldwide started to roll in, Czech communists wanted to use Josef as some kind of puppet via propaganda - to show the strength and ambition of their nation - through this magnificent afthlete, by far and around the best at what he did.
Great pick. Not sure about those figures though, 10.8 in the 1930's were more or less world record figures. 10.4 was the world record in 1929 and 10.6 was the fastest anybody ran in the Olympics before 1932.
Pointless fact which has nothing to do with the pick though, outstanding pick and considered as fast as footballers come.
Is it just me or are people setting a very high standard here? More or less all great picks.
Bican Finally.
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Finally.Just to make sure, he counts as Austrian, you know that right? You can't pick his nation out of the two
.A cheap dig at me/Sarodi btw. I really don't understand your attitude - I'm not even talking about your picks, but about your criticism of an older players. Why sign up for a draft where picking some oldies was a requirement? And why criticize picks like Masopust for the lack of footage, when a lot of footage is obtainable and the only reason behind you not seeing it is your lack of interest/laziness?Oh yes the youtube videos
And World Cups don't count.
I suppose the 28 seconds of youtube videos on Gyorgy Sarosi justified you picking him.
There isn't much footage of Sarosi, crumbs, really, but my choice wasn't based on footage of his WC goal - it was based on a lot of information that I dug up, like match-reports on Hungarian, which I read two times via Google-translate on English and Russian and tried to get something from it. This is what those drafts are about for me - most fun is in this research, reading about some forgotten greats. Sarosi was an unique player, who was once picked by three different newspapers (French, German and some other, I don remember and I'm on my phone right now) for an European XI as a central defender, midfielder and forward - that's the kind of fact that I (and, probably, some others, who are interested in football history) am interested in.
Players disappearing off my shortlist very quickly. Great picks all around.
Bican
Just to make sure, he counts as Austrian, you know that right? You can't pick his nation out of the two
Yes :-)
Has Bican ever featured in one of the drafts? In the alltime one maybe? He's an awesome pick, I already look forward to the discussions about him and quite a few other legends from that era.
@Stobzilla were you talking about Bican or did you wanted to pick Yashin earlier when you quoted my iron curtain joke? (It was you, right? I'm not loosing my mind yet) I wasn't sure about Bican myself, fantastic pick though. The most prolific goal scorer of all time in official games, if I'm not mistaken? Sorry if you mentioned this is your post, haven't read it yet.
Try a different wi-fi - strangely enough it doesn't work at my home and works from mobile 3G and from some free wi-fi's over the city.
(if it's about eu-football.info, I don't remember who posted it, but I had the same problem accessing it).
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No it was Big Lev i was going to take originally. But after he and Masopust went in quick succession I pulled out the big hitter for this round.
xtraimmortal is a fantastic source because of it's size but it's not always accurate in everything. It can be true - but it also can be not. I'm not sure that it was official in the first place - that earlier Euros had "best player" award at all, even though it sounds like a logical thing. But from what I read about it, Suarez was their best player, I am yet to see some games from 64 though. And Suarez was 2nd for Ballon D'Or in 64, while Amaro was 3rd (doesn't prove that Suarez was better at this particular tournament though, he also won ECCC that year). xtraimmortal is also very subjective - they (or him, I'm not sure how many are there) have their own system of judging players and they can easily say that he was the player of the tournament by their opinion and forget to mention the last part in their description, since there were no official award that year.EURO 64' winner and player of the tournament
Some sources say that Suarez was named the player of the tournament, but I'm not convinced by them either.
Still, a great pick, no doubt.
As far as I know there wasn't an official 'player of the tournament' award until 1996. That was the first time UEFA introduced their technical study group to create the all star XI and decide who is named best player. Sammer became the first. They did create allstar teams for all Euros retrospectively though, but without naming official 'player of the tournaments'.
@Balu and others
vivajanuzaj doesn't have time now so he isnt my AM, you dont have to tag him anymore will ask physiocrat if he wants to pair up....
vivajanuzaj doesn't have time now so he isnt my AM, you dont have to tag him anymore
will ask physiocrat if he wants to pair up....
The Mozart of Football
Some 54 years would pass before a certain Diego Maradona netted a comparably brilliant solo effort against the Three Lions at the 1986 FIFA World Cup Mexico™, but the 1932 match official’s gushing choice of words and obvious admiration offer a glimpse of just how breathtaking the goal in London must have been. It was destined to be the finest strike in the player’s illustrious career.
Euro 2008 co-hosts Austria started the competition ranked 92nd in the world, yet for the best part of a decade - and just about within living memory - Austria were the most feared side in football. And they had the world's leading player.
Matthias Sindelar was a Viennese whirl of speed and grace, an almost freakishly talented player who waltzed around opponents with uncanny ease. Dazzled sports writers anointed the moniker Sindelar Die Papierne - 'the Paper Man' who fluttered around the pitch due to his slight build and the genius contained within his idiosyncratic movement lent itself to cerebral analysis. Theatre critic Alfred Polgar noted: "In a way he had brains in his legs," the theatre critic Alfred Polgar wrote, "and many remarkable and unexpected things occurred to them while they were running. Sindelar's shot hit the back of the net like the perfect punch-line, the ending that made it possible to understand and appreciate the perfect composition of the story, the crowning of which it represented."
But to the Czech, Hungarian and Polish factory workers and cafe-society dilettantes and bourgeoisie, many of them Jewish, who flocked to see him play for his club, Vienna's FK Austria, he was their 'Sindi'. And Sindi, quite simply, played the game like no one else.
Quite simply he was the pre-war Pelé, a man who bestowed onto the world a calibre of football the likes of which had never been witnessed before. He was a one-man Vienna Waltz dribbling past bewildered opponents as if they belonged to an earlier era. His exceptional ability quickly made him both an idol of the factory workers and feted darling of the café society and eventually brought such fame that it led to prominence in America and lucrative endorsements of suits and cars. It was a fortune he largely blew on gambling and women.
Sindi – another of his nicknames along with the grandiose Mozart of Football – played the game, according to a newspaper at the time, “like a grandmaster played chess”. There was ingenuity and a cunning wit to the dazzling adventure of his football.
Sindelar also had a noticeably huge effect on the tactical development of the game. Sindelar was one of the first centre-forwards to drop back into midfield, preceding ****. As well as causing havoc with opposition defences, it completed Austria’s so-called ‘Danubian Whirl’. In the early ’30s, Sindelar ensured they were probably the greatest team in the world. In some ways one could say the Wunderteam was a precursor to the Mighty Magyars, who themselves were considered a few decades ahead of their time, which just serves to highlightthe sheer tactical innovation and intricacy at the heart of the Wunderteam and the mindblowing genius of Sindelar, who was orchestrating the masterful tactical delight single-handedly with panache and class that defied belief.
Of course, the most promising was usually him dribbling towards goal. Sindelar’s technique was flawless.
The pity, perhaps, is that both he and the team were past their best by the 1934 World Cup. Although it didn’t help that he had effectively been kicked out of the semi-final by Luis Monti in a controversial and tainted game against Italy.
Frankly put, the shadow of Benito Mussolini loomed large over the WC 1934.
Battered and bruised from the encounter with Monti, the Paper Man was sent to a clinic to recover and it was there that he met Camilla Castagnola – an Italian Jew who would become his wife.
At his peak, though, Sindelar had usually evaded every challenge.
Red Vienna’s coffeehouse scene, wrote:
The IDOL OF THE WUNDERTEAM
Sindelar became an essential part of the Austrian Wunderteam that was coached by Hugo Meisl, after a falling-out caused by his individualism. David Goldblatt described the events:
He made his international debut in 1926 and played well before falling out of favour with the disciplinarian Meisl. Four years in the international wilderness followed until Meisl was cornered by a gathering of the city's leading football commentators as he sat in the Ring Café in 1931. Everyone was arguing for Sindelar's recall and Meisl changed his mind. Sindelar played. In his first appearance after the three years in the wilderness, Sindelar fired Austria to a shock 5-0 triumph against Scotland, who had never been beaten before on continental European soil. The victory heralded the start of the greatest sustained period of success in Austrian footballing history, and the birth of the 'Wunderteam' (Wonder Team).
The Wunderteam - already disciplined, organized, hardworking and professional - acquired their playmaker and inspiration, that vital spark of unpredictability
Meisl’s men rattled up big victories against Germany, Switzerland, France and Belgium, although the highlight was reserved for 24 April 1932, when the Austrians thrashed arch-rivals Hungary 8-2. The 29-year-old Sindelar scored a hat-trick, and provided perfect lay-offs for the other five goals.
In the same year, Austria won the Central European International Cup, a precursor to the modern UEFA EURO with Sindelar being star of the tournament. Sindelar, literally a lightweight at 5ft 8ins and 168lbs, was now captain of an extraordinarily successful team, whose solitary defeat in the period ended up feeling more like a victory, and he became known as 'The Mozart of Football'. One of Sindelar's virtuoso performances came against Italy when he scored both the goals in a 2-1 victory (with Meazza scoring for Italy) which proved to be crucial as Austria won the CEIC over Italy by a slim margin of 2 points.
It was early December 1932 when the Austrians fell 4-3 to England in London, but became the first team to score more than once against the English on their home turf. That was the evening including Sindelar’s wonder goal for the 'Wunderteam', as so eloquently recorded by referee Langenus.
The Times awarded the Austrians the “moral victory” though. The English papers raved about the intricate passing and fluid movement of the Wunderteam, with the Daily Mail calling their performance “a revelation.” Though they could not break the spell of English domestic invincibility – that task would be left to their spiritual successors, the Hungarians, two decades later – they gained plenty of admirers for their style of play. Sindelar was at the center of everything, and after the match against England he was reportedly offered a contract on the spot to sign for Arsenal, though like many of the tales surrounding the Paper Man it may well be apocryphal.
Sindelar was subsequently able to translate his rich vein of form for the national team to his efforts at club level. As the Wunderteam’s fortunes gradually declined, so the goal-getter began amassing honours with his beloved Austria Vienna. The player is widely credited with the pivotal role in securing the club’s first European success, as the Violets claimed the 1933 edition of the Mitropa Cup, officially La Coupe de l'Europe Centrale and the first truly international continental club competition. In the final against Ambrosiana Inter Milan, led by the legendary Giuseppe Meazza, the then 30-year-old Sindelar scored all three goals in a decisive 3-1 second leg victory, producing a 4-3 aggregate triumph.
The 1934 World Cup was to prove a letdown. The Austrians went into the tournament as favourites, but ultimately finished fourth after losing in the semi-finals to hosts and eventual world champions Italy. However, Sindelar continued to thrive with his club. Austria Vienna won the domestic cup in 1935 and 1936, and claimed a second Mitropa Cup triumph the same year courtesy of a narrow away-leg victory in the final against Sparta Prague.
TRAGIC DEMISE
In 1938, Austria was annexed by Germany. To mark the occasion, a game was organised between Austria (Ostmark) and Germany – the two sides that would be merged thereafter.
Sindelar was strongly opposed to the Anschulss and made it clear. Not only did he score in a 2-0 win and celebrate passionately and provocatively in front of the Nazi generals, he and fellow scorer Karl Sesta were the only players who refused to perform the Nazi salute in front of the powers that be at the end of the game.
In Sindelar’s absence, Germany were beaten by Switzerland in the World Cup and Matthias decided he would attend the final between Italy and Hungary in Paris. When the fans recognised Sindelar in the stands they started singing ‘La Marseillaise’. Sindelar’s refusal to salute Hitler had made waves beyond the Reich and become a political statement.
Sindelar was now more than just a footballer and he didn’t shirk that responsibility. In fact, he decided to return to Austria rather than escaping when he had the chance despite the knowledge that he was in danger. Documents emerged (almost certainly forged) that showed Matthias had a Jewish grandmother. On Kristallnacht his house was attacked but the crowd stopped at the door – Sindelar and Camilla weren’t touched.
Sindelar started playing again for the re-born Austria Vienna. They won the Austrian regional championship and reached the national final in Berlin against Hertha. Matthias scored a goal and it ended in a 2-2 draw, meaning the title was shared. It was to be Sindelar’s farewell.
Less than a month later, Sindelar and Camilla were found dead in their flat. The official cause of death was carbon monoxide poisoning from a defective gas stove, but some suggested it was suicide, others that the Gestapo had killed him.
The bodies were almost immediately cremated and the case closed, but Sindelar remained a legend. In fact his untimely death strengthened his myth. His club received nearly 15,000 telegrams of condolence and some reports suggest that 40,000 attended his funeral, an occasion that writer Robin Stummer has since described as “Vienna’s first, and last, rally against the Nazis”.
Whether this version is accurate, or whether it is simply a refusal to admit that someone like Sindelar could die such a mundane death, is a question whose answer is lost to history. But the theory that he committed suicide is so cathartic, so tragically beautiful that it is no surprise that it is preferred to the explanation of death by carbon monoxide poisoning. Sindelar, the symbol of Red Vienna and its football culture, died alongside his beloved city. He has since been named both the best Austrian footballer and the best Austrian sportsman of the 20th century. But his enduring reputation cannot be simply explained by his prowess on the pitch. In death, Sindelar became a martyr of the Viennese football culture that had been destroyed by the Anschluss. As Jonathan Wilson writes, “to its end, the football of the coffeehouse remained heroically romantic."
Contrary to popular belief, even in the 1930s footballers had a public image. Some of them used that image, like today, to get sponsorship deals, but Sindelar used his to challenge Hitler. In every sense, he was one of football’s greats.
Sindelar became an essential part of the Austrian Wunderteam that was coached by Hugo Meisl, after a falling-out caused by his individualism. David Goldblatt described the events:
He made his international debut in 1926 and played well before falling out of favour with the disciplinarian Meisl. Four years in the international wilderness followed until Meisl was cornered by a gathering of the city's leading football commentators as he sat in the Ring Café in 1931. Everyone was arguing for Sindelar's recall and Meisl changed his mind. Sindelar played. In his first appearance after the three years in the wilderness, Sindelar fired Austria to a shock 5-0 triumph against Scotland, who had never been beaten before on continental European soil. The victory heralded the start of the greatest sustained period of success in Austrian footballing history, and the birth of the 'Wunderteam' (Wonder Team).
The Wunderteam - already disciplined, organized, hardworking and professional - acquired their playmaker and inspiration, that vital spark of unpredictability
Meisl’s men rattled up big victories against Germany, Switzerland, France and Belgium, although the highlight was reserved for 24 April 1932, when the Austrians thrashed arch-rivals Hungary 8-2. The 29-year-old Sindelar scored a hat-trick, and provided perfect lay-offs for the other five goals.
In the same year, Austria won the Central European International Cup, a precursor to the modern UEFA EURO with Sindelar being star of the tournament. Sindelar, literally a lightweight at 5ft 8ins and 168lbs, was now captain of an extraordinarily successful team, whose solitary defeat in the period ended up feeling more like a victory, and he became known as 'The Mozart of Football'. One of Sindelar's virtuoso performances came against Italy when he scored both the goals in a 2-1 victory (with Meazza scoring for Italy) which proved to be crucial as Austria won the CEIC over Italy by a slim margin of 2 points.
It was early December 1932 when the Austrians fell 4-3 to England in London, but became the first team to score more than once against the English on their home turf. That was the evening including Sindelar’s wonder goal for the 'Wunderteam', as so eloquently recorded by referee Langenus.
The Times awarded the Austrians the “moral victory” though. The English papers raved about the intricate passing and fluid movement of the Wunderteam, with the Daily Mail calling their performance “a revelation.” Though they could not break the spell of English domestic invincibility – that task would be left to their spiritual successors, the Hungarians, two decades later – they gained plenty of admirers for their style of play. Sindelar was at the center of everything, and after the match against England he was reportedly offered a contract on the spot to sign for Arsenal, though like many of the tales surrounding the Paper Man it may well be apocryphal.
Sindelar was subsequently able to translate his rich vein of form for the national team to his efforts at club level. As the Wunderteam’s fortunes gradually declined, so the goal-getter began amassing honours with his beloved Austria Vienna. The player is widely credited with the pivotal role in securing the club’s first European success, as the Violets claimed the 1933 edition of the Mitropa Cup, officially La Coupe de l'Europe Centrale and the first truly international continental club competition. In the final against Ambrosiana Inter Milan, led by the legendary Giuseppe Meazza, the then 30-year-old Sindelar scored all three goals in a decisive 3-1 second leg victory, producing a 4-3 aggregate triumph.
The 1934 World Cup was to prove a letdown. The Austrians went into the tournament as favourites, but ultimately finished fourth after losing in the semi-finals to hosts and eventual world champions Italy. However, Sindelar continued to thrive with his club. Austria Vienna won the domestic cup in 1935 and 1936, and claimed a second Mitropa Cup triumph the same year courtesy of a narrow away-leg victory in the final against Sparta Prague.
TRAGIC DEMISE
In 1938, Austria was annexed by Germany. To mark the occasion, a game was organised between Austria (Ostmark) and Germany – the two sides that would be merged thereafter.
Sindelar was strongly opposed to the Anschulss and made it clear. Not only did he score in a 2-0 win and celebrate passionately and provocatively in front of the Nazi generals, he and fellow scorer Karl Sesta were the only players who refused to perform the Nazi salute in front of the powers that be at the end of the game.
In Sindelar’s absence, Germany were beaten by Switzerland in the World Cup and Matthias decided he would attend the final between Italy and Hungary in Paris. When the fans recognised Sindelar in the stands they started singing ‘La Marseillaise’. Sindelar’s refusal to salute Hitler had made waves beyond the Reich and become a political statement.
Sindelar was now more than just a footballer and he didn’t shirk that responsibility. In fact, he decided to return to Austria rather than escaping when he had the chance despite the knowledge that he was in danger. Documents emerged (almost certainly forged) that showed Matthias had a Jewish grandmother. On Kristallnacht his house was attacked but the crowd stopped at the door – Sindelar and Camilla weren’t touched.
Sindelar started playing again for the re-born Austria Vienna. They won the Austrian regional championship and reached the national final in Berlin against Hertha. Matthias scored a goal and it ended in a 2-2 draw, meaning the title was shared. It was to be Sindelar’s farewell.
Less than a month later, Sindelar and Camilla were found dead in their flat. The official cause of death was carbon monoxide poisoning from a defective gas stove, but some suggested it was suicide, others that the Gestapo had killed him.
The bodies were almost immediately cremated and the case closed, but Sindelar remained a legend. In fact his untimely death strengthened his myth. His club received nearly 15,000 telegrams of condolence and some reports suggest that 40,000 attended his funeral, an occasion that writer Robin Stummer has since described as “Vienna’s first, and last, rally against the Nazis”.
Whether this version is accurate, or whether it is simply a refusal to admit that someone like Sindelar could die such a mundane death, is a question whose answer is lost to history. But the theory that he committed suicide is so cathartic, so tragically beautiful that it is no surprise that it is preferred to the explanation of death by carbon monoxide poisoning. Sindelar, the symbol of Red Vienna and its football culture, died alongside his beloved city. He has since been named both the best Austrian footballer and the best Austrian sportsman of the 20th century. But his enduring reputation cannot be simply explained by his prowess on the pitch. In death, Sindelar became a martyr of the Viennese football culture that had been destroyed by the Anschluss. As Jonathan Wilson writes, “to its end, the football of the coffeehouse remained heroically romantic."
Contrary to popular belief, even in the 1930s footballers had a public image. Some of them used that image, like today, to get sponsorship deals, but Sindelar used his to challenge Hitler. In every sense, he was one of football’s greats.
Noted. Let us know if physiocrat accepts.@Balu and others
vivajanuzaj doesn't have time now so he isnt my AM, you dont have to tag him anymore
1. crappycraperson - 1. Platini 2. Figo 3. Tigana
2. Edgar Allan Pillow & MJJ & coolredwine - 1. Puskás 2. Masopust 3. Gullit
3. Paolo Di Canio - 1. Cristiano Ronaldo 2. Blanc 3. Lev Yashin
4. The Stain - 1. Zidane 2. Czibor 3. Amancio
5. Skizzo & Pat_Mustard - 1. van Basten 2. Netzer 3. Monti
6. Stobzilla - 1. Beckenbauer 2. B.Charlton 3. Bican
7. Joga Bonito - 1. Maldini 2. B.Moore 3. Sindelar
8. harms - 1. Dragan Džajić 2. Sárosi 3.
9. Aldo - 1. Xavi 2. Iniesta 3.
10. Raees & Gio - 1. Frank Rijkaard 2. G. Facchetti 3.
11. Theon & NM - 1. Matthäus 2. Bozsik 3.
12. The Red Viper - 1. Gerd Müller 2. Sammer 3.
13. big red123 - 1. Cruyff 2. Baresi 3.
14. Šjor Bepo & VivaJanuzaj - 1. Luis Suarez 2. Nesta 3.
15. ctp - 1. Rummenigge 2. Scirea 3.
16. PedroMendez - 1. Meazza 2. Thuram 3.
@harms
2. Edgar Allan Pillow & MJJ & coolredwine - 1. Puskás 2. Masopust 3. Gullit
3. Paolo Di Canio - 1. Cristiano Ronaldo 2. Blanc 3. Lev Yashin
4. The Stain - 1. Zidane 2. Czibor 3. Amancio
5. Skizzo & Pat_Mustard - 1. van Basten 2. Netzer 3. Monti
6. Stobzilla - 1. Beckenbauer 2. B.Charlton 3. Bican
7. Joga Bonito - 1. Maldini 2. B.Moore 3. Sindelar
8. harms - 1. Dragan Džajić 2. Sárosi 3.
9. Aldo - 1. Xavi 2. Iniesta 3.
10. Raees & Gio - 1. Frank Rijkaard 2. G. Facchetti 3.
11. Theon & NM - 1. Matthäus 2. Bozsik 3.
12. The Red Viper - 1. Gerd Müller 2. Sammer 3.
13. big red123 - 1. Cruyff 2. Baresi 3.
14. Šjor Bepo & VivaJanuzaj - 1. Luis Suarez 2. Nesta 3.
15. ctp - 1. Rummenigge 2. Scirea 3.
16. PedroMendez - 1. Meazza 2. Thuram 3.
@harms
1. crappycraperson - 1. Platini 2. Figo 3. Tigana
2. Edgar Allan Pillow & MJJ & coolredwine - 1. Puskás 2. Masopust 3. Gullit
3. Paolo Di Canio - 1. Cristiano Ronaldo 2. Blanc 3. Lev Yashin
4. The Stain - 1. Zidane 2. Czibor 3. Amancio
5. Skizzo & Pat_Mustard - 1. van Basten 2. Netzer 3. Monti
6. Stobzilla - 1. Beckenbauer 2. B.Charlton 3. Bican
7. Joga Bonito - 1. Maldini 2. B.Moore 3. Sindelar
8. harms - 1. Dragan Džajić 2. Sárosi 3.
9. Aldo - 1. Xavi 2. Iniesta 3.
10. Raees & Gio - 1. Frank Rijkaard 2. G. Facchetti 3.
11. Theon & NM - 1. Matthäus 2. Bozsik 3.
12. The Red Viper - 1. Gerd Müller 2. Sammer 3.
13. big red123 - 1. Cruyff 2. Baresi 3.
14. Šjor Bepo - 1. Luis Suarez 2. Nesta 3.
15. ctp - 1. Rummenigge 2. Scirea 3.
16. PedroMendez - 1. Meazza 2. Thuram 3.
2. Edgar Allan Pillow & MJJ & coolredwine - 1. Puskás 2. Masopust 3. Gullit
3. Paolo Di Canio - 1. Cristiano Ronaldo 2. Blanc 3. Lev Yashin
4. The Stain - 1. Zidane 2. Czibor 3. Amancio
5. Skizzo & Pat_Mustard - 1. van Basten 2. Netzer 3. Monti
6. Stobzilla - 1. Beckenbauer 2. B.Charlton 3. Bican
7. Joga Bonito - 1. Maldini 2. B.Moore 3. Sindelar
8. harms - 1. Dragan Džajić 2. Sárosi 3.
9. Aldo - 1. Xavi 2. Iniesta 3.
10. Raees & Gio - 1. Frank Rijkaard 2. G. Facchetti 3.
11. Theon & NM - 1. Matthäus 2. Bozsik 3.
12. The Red Viper - 1. Gerd Müller 2. Sammer 3.
13. big red123 - 1. Cruyff 2. Baresi 3.
14. Šjor Bepo - 1. Luis Suarez 2. Nesta 3.
15. ctp - 1. Rummenigge 2. Scirea 3.
16. PedroMendez - 1. Meazza 2. Thuram 3.
I thought he would be next, Bican & Sindelar! Nice.he also doesn't have time but will bounce few ideas today with him so dont know if that counts as AM but you can put him as my AM i dont have any problems with that.
Anybody else who loves Dzajic's dribbling style?
I hate you @Joga Bonito
That's fair. I haven't found any other facts about it (i shall keep at it). I do know all Spain's goal in this tournament came from the right, where he played, including a goal by the man himself. Suarez had at least one assist but i'm sure Amancio had his feet in more than one goal.
1. crappycraperson - 1. Platini 2. Figo 3. Tigana
2. Edgar Allan Pillow & MJJ & coolredwine - 1. Puskás 2. Masopust 3. Gullit
3. Paolo Di Canio - 1. Cristiano Ronaldo 2. Blanc 3. Lev Yashin
4. The Stain - 1. Zidane 2. Czibor 3. Amancio
5. Skizzo & Pat_Mustard - 1. van Basten 2. Netzer 3. Monti
6. Stobzilla - 1. Beckenbauer 2. B.Charlton 3. Bican
7. Joga Bonito - 1. Maldini 2. B.Moore 3. Sindelar
8. harms - 1. Dragan Džajić 2. Sárosi 3. Schuster
9. Aldo - 1. Xavi 2. Iniesta 3.
10. Raees & Gio - 1. Frank Rijkaard 2. G. Facchetti 3.
11. Theon & NM - 1. Matthäus 2. Bozsik 3.
12. The Red Viper - 1. Gerd Müller 2. Sammer 3.
13. big red123 - 1. Cruyff 2. Baresi 3.
14. Šjor Bepo - 1. Luis Suarez 2. Nesta 3.
15. ctp - 1. Rummenigge 2. Scirea 3.
16. PedroMendez - 1. Meazza 2. Thuram 3.
@Aldo
2. Edgar Allan Pillow & MJJ & coolredwine - 1. Puskás 2. Masopust 3. Gullit
3. Paolo Di Canio - 1. Cristiano Ronaldo 2. Blanc 3. Lev Yashin
4. The Stain - 1. Zidane 2. Czibor 3. Amancio
5. Skizzo & Pat_Mustard - 1. van Basten 2. Netzer 3. Monti
6. Stobzilla - 1. Beckenbauer 2. B.Charlton 3. Bican
7. Joga Bonito - 1. Maldini 2. B.Moore 3. Sindelar
8. harms - 1. Dragan Džajić 2. Sárosi 3. Schuster
9. Aldo - 1. Xavi 2. Iniesta 3.
10. Raees & Gio - 1. Frank Rijkaard 2. G. Facchetti 3.
11. Theon & NM - 1. Matthäus 2. Bozsik 3.
12. The Red Viper - 1. Gerd Müller 2. Sammer 3.
13. big red123 - 1. Cruyff 2. Baresi 3.
14. Šjor Bepo - 1. Luis Suarez 2. Nesta 3.
15. ctp - 1. Rummenigge 2. Scirea 3.
16. PedroMendez - 1. Meazza 2. Thuram 3.
@Aldo
@harms where is the picture of the Blond Angel?
@harms where is the picture of the Blond Angel?
Ohh shit. 1-0 Harms.
@Balu and others
vivajanuzaj doesn't have time now so he isnt my AM, you dont have to tag him anymore
It's long overdue that Sindelar makes his debut in a draft @Joga Bonito - great pick.
Yeah you never know with the 100m times that are banded about for footballers as there is a lot of variation depending on how their run was timed, the surface, their spikes, starting blocks, etc. Much of the improvement in 100m times over the years is down to those factors - a lot of people still say that Bob Hayes's 100m 10.06 WR in 1964 on a chewed-up cinder track is one of the greatest of all time, especially when you factor in modern advantages. Nonetheless, I think it's quite feasible that Bican recorded 10.8 and the main point is, as you say, that he is as quick as anyone in the draft.
Didn't know that about Bob Hayes's performance being so spectacularly rated! In terms of Bican's 10.8 - it would be enough to perform in the Olympics at the time and win the semi final heat. Running 10.8 back then would be like running it at a time which would have you reaching the finals in 100 metres. He'd be more or less his nations fastest runner at the distance.
Which is a bit crazy. I would doubt those figures until there is something official on it. But again, important thing is that he's as fast footballers can be.
I've deluded myself in thinking I can get him. First Yashin, then Schuster, urgh!
Yeah, Schuster is definitely not the player that would've lasted until the end of 4th round, he was nothing short of fantastic in 1980.
I am out right now. Sorry for keeping you waiting. I wanted Sindelar but he went.
Do you have a pick in mind yet mate - I want to head to bed soonish.
Actually feck it. I'll take Pavel Nedved. Please tag the next person.