The two 10's candidacy - your preferred pairing?

The two 10's candidacy - your preferred pairing?

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I think it'll be a front three of Bruno, Rashford and Hojlund against Everton. Those three are the only players in the squad who have a season of double digits to their names, and right now we can barely score.

I do kind of like the idea of Bruno deeper. Amad works really well with both him and Mount, so having all of them on the pitch in close proximity could make for some really good football.
 
Skills said:
We need to avoid Bruno in that mid 2 at all costs. It's the wrong profile of player.

I prefer Shaw to Martinez, because he's faster and he can more naturally overlap and push the LWB further forward if we need.
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Agreed with this. He isn't a ball progressor, and too easy to dribble past (physicality and more importantly instincts aren't there). He should be a #10 in this system period.

In general we are missing someone who can carry the ball, that's why I think Shaw might actually be a better fit than Martinez for LCB.
 
I have no clue who is actually able to play the role so Bruno + Mount is the obvious answer for me.
 
Bruno and Amad for me. I’d like to see Amad play closer to goal as every time he got it near the box he was a threat. I’d then be tempted to play Garnacho where we played Dalot and get him involved from a wider starting position.

Mount would be my first choice to step in for either of them.
 
youngrell said:
I think he will be moved back before being dropped altogether. Sadly, he is still better than most of our other options in CM despite it not being his natural position. And, until someone steps up and tries to take the mantle from Bruno, he will continue to be important for us because nobody else even comes close to his hunger for getting on the ball.

I do think he has the intelligence to develop into what RA wants of him in the 10 position, though. Improved even after half time when he was moved to the left 10 and he could open up to the pitch more. I liked to see the small changes like that that Amorim introduced yesterday.
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He's certainly been told not to hoof it anymore thats for sure. I don't know if its too late to reprogram his game, but he has never shown the discipline in his game that will now be required. One to watch.
 
I would like to see Eriksen and Mount, with Bruno and Casemiro behind them.

It’s about time Bruno gets taught to play more disciplined.
 
I think it's got to be Bruno & Amad, they've been forming a good partnership together recently and having them both play near each other centrally could work nicely but we desperately need a Centre Forward they can properly link with as well.

I think Mount should be the 3rd choice if energy levels drop off with either of those 2 or for whatever reason Bruno needs to drop into CM again.

I can't see Amad being played at RWB forever, he's wasted trying to figure out passing triangles with the RCM & RCB. Also Mainoo would be better at CM next to Ugarte, yesterday we sorely lacked a player that can take the ball on the turn and move us onto the attack.

In an way I can see why Bruno drops deep to be on the ball because the other CM's aren't really trying to turn the opponents or move us forward.
 
OldTrevil said:
It's always been Amad and Mount for me, if the latter can stay fit of course. One of the key aspects of in that position is being able to receive, manipulate and make good on-ball decisions under pressure and condensed space. Bruno's is massively unsuited in that aspect.
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Yeah I went for this option too, but it seems unlikely unless Bruno adapts to a more CM role behind them.

Bruno has never been a good half space/taking the ball on the turn type player which is why I've been unsure about his "perfect fit" in this system. Of course Amorim can tweak it and have someone like Amad be closer to the striker while Bruno drops a bit off to get space to create, so we'll see what happens. But in theory, Mounts best position historically has been in this system as one of those 10's. Those 3 seem the best fits though I think without a doubt. Garnacho isn't nearly good enough technique wise or creatively. He's better off as a super sub right now.
 
Borys said:
Agreed with this. He isn't a ball progressor, and too easy to dribble past (physicality and more importantly instincts aren't there). He should be a #10 in this system period.

In general we are missing someone who can carry the ball, that's why I think Shaw might actually be a better fit than Martinez for LCB.
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Thing is I think we will need more creativity from those WB spots which is why Shaw is the best fit at one of them, but you're right in that he's also probably the best LCB fit as well.

People don't realize how vital the wingbacks are in this system for attacking. If they can't consistently add a final third threat then it all gets a bit toothless.
 
Right so thing is if Mount could somehow stay fit and get back to previous form then surely it has to be himself and Bruno. However I do quite fancy Amad to excell in that position if given the chance there. Heck I think it might even be Mainoo’s best position in the team so any combination of those 4.

Seems like it’s going to be a real issue for Garnacho because now there doesn’t seem to be an ideal position for him in the squad.
 
Since Mazraoui and Antony weren't an option I went for Bruno and Amad.
 
My midfield 4 would be Ugarte, Mainoo, Bruno and Amad. I don’t mind swapping Bruno and Mainoo. But I do think Mainoo is our best player at picking the ball up deep. That said, Bruno has a superb passing range through the lines, I just don’t trust him defensively for sustained periods.
 
If you look at what Man City's set up was for a few years, it was something like:

--------------------Haaland
Grealish---KDB--Gundo---Bernardo
-----------Rodri--Stones
----------Ake--Dias--Akanji
-----------------Ederson

Chelsea under Tuchel

-------------------Werner
------------Mount--Havertz---
---Chilwell----Kante--Joginho--James
----------Rudiger------Azpi--Silva
-------------------Mendy


Chelsea under Conte

------------Costa
---Hazard-----Pedro
Alonso----Matic--Kante--Moses
-------Azpi---Cahill--Luiz
-------------Courtois

Theres quite a variation of players in each of those set ups - so there are quite a few ways to skin a cat, with this set up. And with those teams, we know it works in the PL.
 
--------Hojlund--------
Rashford - Zirkzee
 
We should be all over Rayan Cherki. The type of player the team is desperate for that can take the ball in all situations and beat men. With his current price tag and Lyon’s desperation, he should represent great value. Outrageously talented player.
 
Rozay said:
We should be all over Rayan Cherki. The type of player the team is desperate for that can take the ball in all situations and beat men. With his current price tag and Lyon’s desperation, he should represent great value. Outrageously talented player.
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I was just thinking this earlier. Cherki and Kvara are my dream two candidates to get for those inside 10 roles.
 
Valencia Shin Crosses said:
Yeah I went for this option too, but it seems unlikely unless Bruno adapts to a more CM role behind them.

Bruno has never been a good half space/taking the ball on the turn type player which is why I've been unsure about his "perfect fit" in this system. Of course Amorim can tweak it and have someone like Amad be closer to the striker while Bruno drops a bit off to get space to create, so we'll see what happens. But in theory, Mounts best position historically has been in this system as one of those 10's. Those 3 seem the best fits though I think without a doubt. Garnacho isn't nearly good enough technique wise or creatively. He's better off as a super sub right now.
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Fully agree. I also think Amorim will be looking for ways to get Bruno space to operate in for the time being. However I think as soon all potential midfielders are fit, then I think he will have to swim or sink under the competition. For example, I don't see Bruno being a bettet fit than anyone in the following box midfield.

Ugarte Mainoo
Amad Mount

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Valencia Shin Crosses said:
I was just thinking this earlier. Cherki and Kvara are my dream two candidates to get for those inside 10 roles.
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I think if I could pick one then it would be Musiala. After him probably Kvara too, then cheaper prototypes of similar characteristics in Eze and Cherki. However, with Cherki possibly available for around £20m then it’s a no-brainer to me. He’s still only 21 too.
 
It's not really a case of "which two" it's what pairings work and which don't.

You want one who can receive the ball and create chances and one who can run off the ball into wide areas or beyond the CF.

Personally I think Amad could either be the "runner" or the "playmaker", so he's a good option. Bruno and Mount also fit the playmaker role, as does Zirkzee, as does Anthony.

Garnacho is more of a "runner", Rashford is definitely a runner...

I think I would lean towards Garnacho and Bruno, only because Bruno has to play somewhere and that leaves you needing one of the only two runners beside him. The nice thing about this is you could actually swap Amad and Garnacho in game between right flank and "#10" to mix up our attacks and bring new dimensions to them.
 
Rozay said:
I think if I could pick one then it would be Musiala. After him probably Kvara too, then cheaper prototypes of similar characteristics in Eze and Cherki. However, with Cherki possibly available for around £20m then it’s a no-brainer to me. He’s still only 21 too.
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Yeah wasn't counting Musiala but he's probably the best fit in the world for that spot.
 
Lack of Garnacho in the discussion bonkers to me, he has the X factor and he has goals.
 
AgentSmith said:
Bruno and Amad. I'd like to see Garnacho trialled in the wing back position as well.

Onana
Yoro - De Ligt - Martinez
Mazraoui - Ugarte - Mainoo - Garnacho
Amad - Bruno
Hojlund
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Something like that, with Garnacho constantly offering an outlet on the left making Bruno far more effective in that position than he was on the right yesterday.
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Looks decent, pity as Dalot isn't in it. But you can't fit them all in.
 
Think with the right team around them, Mainoo and Amad would be the most suited as a pair with their small space ability and link up play. Maybe moving Bruno deeper to CM. But Garnacho will need to develop into one of the roles so probably him and Amad as my ideal.
 
It’s gotta be Bruno and Amad. I’d love it if Amorim can get Bruno to play the CM role as it would give us more options but he’s not shown any capability to do it thus far.
 
Amad + one.

Probably Fernandes by default because he’s the undroppable player, but I don’t think he can operate in those pockets. Mount is probably the best suited as he’s played in that sort of position before, but I’m not convinced he has it in him anymore. Or that he can even stay fit for an extended period of time.
 
I voted Mount and Amad.

But would also like to see Zirkzee and Amad given chance. I think there’s the potential for a chemistry to develop between those two. While contrasting styles, they have similar ideas when it come to interplay. Eg 1 2s, flicks, etc.
 
If everyone is fit I’d like to see how:

Onana
Yoro De Ligt Martinez
Maz Bruno Ugarte Shaw
Amad Mount
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Would go, maybe swap Amad for Maz and then put Mainoo in.
 
I for one am flabbergasted that Mazraoui has not been included among the options :nono:
 
I would try Bruno and Mainoo with Casamiro and Ugarte as double pivot
 
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