The Trump Presidency : Part 2

This will be fun.

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Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump


The “Pardons” that Sleepy Joe Biden gave to the Unselect Committee of Political Thugs, and many others, are hereby declared VOID, VACANT, AND OF NO FURTHER FORCE OR EFFECT, because of the fact that they were done by Autopen. In other words, Joe Biden did not sign them but, more importantly, he did not know anything about them! The necessary Pardoning Documents were not explained to, or approved by, Biden. He knew nothing about them, and the people that did may have committed a crime. Therefore, those on the Unselect Committee, who destroyed and deleted ALL evidence obtained during their two year Witch Hunt of me, and many other innocent people, should fully understand that they are subject to investigation at the highest level. The fact is, they were probably responsible for the Documents that were signed on their behalf without the knowledge or consent of the Worst President in the History of our Country, Crooked Joe Biden!
 
NotChatGPT said:
This will be fun.

https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/114175908922736427?utm_source=sdrn:vg:article:JbgXP8


Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump


The “Pardons” that Sleepy Joe Biden gave to the Unselect Committee of Political Thugs, and many others, are hereby declared VOID, VACANT, AND OF NO FURTHER FORCE OR EFFECT, because of the fact that they were done by Autopen. In other words, Joe Biden did not sign them but, more importantly, he did not know anything about them! The necessary Pardoning Documents were not explained to, or approved by, Biden. He knew nothing about them, and the people that did may have committed a crime. Therefore, those on the Unselect Committee, who destroyed and deleted ALL evidence obtained during their two year Witch Hunt of me, and many other innocent people, should fully understand that they are subject to investigation at the highest level. The fact is, they were probably responsible for the Documents that were signed on their behalf without the knowledge or consent of the Worst President in the History of our Country, Crooked Joe Biden!
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Constitutional crisis incoming
 
NotChatGPT said:
This will be fun.

https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/114175908922736427?utm_source=sdrn:vg:article:JbgXP8


Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump


The “Pardons” that Sleepy Joe Biden gave to the Unselect Committee of Political Thugs, and many others, are hereby declared VOID, VACANT, AND OF NO FURTHER FORCE OR EFFECT, because of the fact that they were done by Autopen. In other words, Joe Biden did not sign them but, more importantly, he did not know anything about them! The necessary Pardoning Documents were not explained to, or approved by, Biden. He knew nothing about them, and the people that did may have committed a crime. Therefore, those on the Unselect Committee, who destroyed and deleted ALL evidence obtained during their two year Witch Hunt of me, and many other innocent people, should fully understand that they are subject to investigation at the highest level. The fact is, they were probably responsible for the Documents that were signed on their behalf without the knowledge or consent of the Worst President in the History of our Country, Crooked Joe Biden!
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If he somehow manages to arrest the J6 committee based on this logic, the constitution is dead.
 
“Dividing up certain assets”.

Farcical. As if Ukraine isn’t a sovereign country. Like it’s some commercial deal. And the worse thing is many Americans will lap it up as some great plan and deal making.
 
WPMUFC said:
If he somehow manages to arrest the J6 committee based on this logic, the constitution is dead.
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Isn't that part of the plan? At this point I very much believe that they want to bury the constitution or interpret it only as they see fit with their appointed justices.

I've also come to believe that they want massive protests and unrest so they can declare martial law and then really take the extremist measures they want.
 
Kinsella said:
I mentioned the Treaty of Versailles because you brought up Hitler, and drew a parallel between Putin and Hitler in doing so.
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The treaty of Versailles was a disaster but it wasn't the cause Hitler came to power.
The great depression and the arrogance of the center right parties who thought they could control and manage Hitler were the main reasons of Hitler's rise to power.
 
It's a load of bollocks. He promised to lock Hillary up and then did feck all about it. He promises good things but only ever does bad things. The public gelding of Biden ain't happening so put away the champagne sparkling wine.
 
dumbo said:
It's a load of bollocks. He promised to lock Hillary up and then did feck all about it. He promises good things but only ever does bad things. The public gelding of Biden ain't happening so put away the champagne sparkling wine.
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Good things?
 
Trump is a master in the art of distraction and dramatisation to the point where his actions and decisions no longer need logic or evidence to stand on. He is the ‘quick-fix’ without a fix.
 
Adisa said:
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Just confirms what I've thought since he took his job on Jan 20, people who voted for him will mostly be liking what he has done so far because he has largely been doing the things that he had committed to in the first place. In some rare cases they may have misjudged the impact of these things on themselves, but those cases are going to be rare enough and even then some will be able to look past it and justify it. Economy will hurt all eventually but even then I'd expect most Trump voters to place all the blame on Biden anyway which will further reinforce their support for Trump.

Trump represents what half of American voters wanted, simply, and that half was more motivated to get out of their homes and vote than the other half that didn't necessarily support what he stood for.
 
Had a conversation with a colleague who immigrated from a SE Asian country to the US decades ago and recently gained citizenship. He is quite happy with Trump right now and continually claims the US has gone "too far left" and so Trump was needed to correct things. I asked what that means as he had just minutes before said the US should:

- Have free college tuition
- Have universal healthcare
- Reduce military spending
- Freedom of reproductive health

It came down to one thing for him: immigration. He viewed anyone coming illegally from south of the border as unfit to be here as they did not follow the same process he did and were not the same as him since he "came with $10 in his pocket" and achieved success in spite of that. He is smart and one of the hardest workers I have ever met, but he also came with an MD and an acceptance to a high level PhD program, but that never makes it into the story.

It was quite an eye opening conversation as one minute he would rant about homelessness in California and then next minute use his owning of 2 homes (when housing shortages are a major driver of homelessness) as an indication of his success. Or proudly claim he has high empathy while the next statement is that he is ok with a recession and inflation because it is "just a little bit of short term pain" for him.

I think it comes down to basic selfishness. The hidden suffering of strangers is just not something the vast majority of Americans (humans??) care about.
 
WI_Red said:
Had a conversation with a colleague who immigrated from a SE Asian country to the US decades ago and recently gained citizenship. He is quite happy with Trump right now and continually claims the US has gone "too far left" and so Trump was needed to correct things. I asked what that means as he had just minutes before said the US should:

- Have free college tuition
- Have universal healthcare
- Reduce military spending
- Freedom of reproductive health

It came down to one thing for him: immigration. He viewed anyone coming illegally from south of the border as unfit to be here as they did not follow the same process he did and were not the same as him since he "came with $10 in his pocket" and achieved success in spite of that. He is smart and one of the hardest workers I have ever met, but he also came with an MD and an acceptance to a high level PhD program, but that never makes it into the story.

It was quite an eye opening conversation as one minute he would rant about homelessness in California and then next minute use his owning of 2 homes (when housing shortages are a major driver of homelessness) as an indication of his success. Or proudly claim he has high empathy while the next statement is that he is ok with a recession and inflation because it is "just a little bit of short term pain" for him.

I think it comes down to basic selfishness. The hidden suffering of strangers is just not something the vast majority of Americans (humans??) care about.
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He realizes that the white right sees him as part of the problem, too, right? Has he missed all the complaints about the H1-B visa program?
 
NotChatGPT said:
This will be fun.

https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/114175908922736427?utm_source=sdrn:vg:article:JbgXP8


Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump


The “Pardons” that Sleepy Joe Biden gave to the Unselect Committee of Political Thugs, and many others, are hereby declared VOID, VACANT, AND OF NO FURTHER FORCE OR EFFECT, because of the fact that they were done by Autopen. In other words, Joe Biden did not sign them but, more importantly, he did not know anything about them! The necessary Pardoning Documents were not explained to, or approved by, Biden. He knew nothing about them, and the people that did may have committed a crime. Therefore, those on the Unselect Committee, who destroyed and deleted ALL evidence obtained during their two year Witch Hunt of me, and many other innocent people, should fully understand that they are subject to investigation at the highest level. The fact is, they were probably responsible for the Documents that were signed on their behalf without the knowledge or consent of the Worst President in the History of our Country, Crooked Joe Biden!
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It just proves that Biden was right on about his pardons including his son.
Trump whining on his failed platform about autopen and voiding them is so silly and childish. Mad he can't go after them like he is law firms and all the DAs who prosecuted cases.

While real people are suffering, looking for jobs after being fired by his shadow President. He's ranting about the vengeance he can't have but will try too anyway.
When you start going after law firms for doing their job of representing clients you are well on your way off the reservation. Same as attacking and firing all the prosecutors and DAs he could reach or the FBI agents that were assigned cases and did their jobs. Their jobs just included investigations against him. And I bet some of them even still voted for him I wouldn't be surprised and they still get caught up in retribution.
 
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Carolina Red said:
He realizes that the white right sees him as part of the problem, too, right? Has he missed all the complaints about the H1-B visa program?
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I doubt he does. He is a high level executive at a very liberal company run by a very liberal CEO in a very liberal state that deals with a highly diverse and educated client base.
 
His approval won't really be hit until Americans feel it in their pockets and in the job market a year from now, and until the Dems grow a spine in all districts and call this tragedy out for what it is.
 
Fridge chutney said:
His approval won't really be hit until Americans feel it in their pockets and in the job market a year from now, and until the Dems grow a spine in all districts and call this tragedy out for what it is.
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I don't even think that will do it. The current messaging is all about "a little bit of pain". His base is way too invested to ever flip and the rest of the country is to apathetic to give a shit.
 
Sarni said:
Just confirms what I've thought since he took his job on Jan 20, people who voted for him will mostly be liking what he has done so far because he has largely been doing the things that he had committed to in the first place. In some rare cases they may have misjudged the impact of these things on themselves, but those cases are going to be rare enough and even then some will be able to look past it and justify it. Economy will hurt all eventually but even then I'd expect most Trump voters to place all the blame on Biden anyway which will further reinforce their support for Trump.

Trump represents what half of American voters wanted, simply, and that half was more motivated to get out of their homes and vote than the other half that didn't necessarily support what he stood for.
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This. We can abuse him all we like but the chaos is exactly what he was put there for.
 
WI_Red said:
I don't even think that will do it. The current messaging is all about "a little bit of pain". His base is way too invested to ever flip and the rest of the country is to apathetic to give a shit.
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Sadly, I agree. They are still being fed "waste fraud, and abuse" as the reason for layoffs regardless of the secretive nature of DOGE and not having any real Oversight. Everywhere the voters go it's the same line of bs over and over. Any pushback and fact checking is just liberal media claims and "illegal news organizations" rants. GOP in Congress going right along with it ceding oversight completely.

And the numerous court cases will take years. And some orders flat out being ignored. With the official excuses of one Judge in one city can't stop the agenda.
 
WI_Red said:
I doubt he does. He is a high level executive at a very liberal company run by a very liberal CEO in a very liberal state that deals with a highly diverse and educated client base.
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Of course he is. Doubt that’ll help him though if the MAGAs have their way
 
WI_Red said:
I don't even think that will do it. The current messaging is all about "a little bit of pain". His base is way too invested to ever flip and the rest of the country is to apathetic to give a shit.
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His base, yes, but the Dems can overcome his base with i) people turning out and ii) swing voters getting fed up. This will happen if people suffer economically, as we've seen repeatedly.
 
Fridge chutney said:
His base, yes, but the Dems can overcome his base with i) people turning out and ii) swing voters getting fed up. This will happen if people suffer economically, as we've seen repeatedly.
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Unfortunately, people who vote Democrat are divided into several camps that generally aren't motivated to vote for the Dem candidate if they don't represent their own camp. Republicans on the other hand, are generally galvanized around one guy, which is why they get better turnout than expected and win elections.
 
B. Munich said:
The treaty of Versailles was a disaster but it wasn't the cause Hitler came to power.
The great depression and the arrogance of the center right parties who thought they could control and manage Hitler were the main reasons of Hitler's rise to power.
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Yes, it really starts with conservatives glossing over extreme sections of the political right....excusing their behavior. That's how the fascists come to power in any country to be honest. In a way the extremes support each other's existence as well while putting the middle under threat. A poor economic period or even an unstable one is the catalyst. People are desperate to latch on to anything.

Which is why when you see this phase coming, it is unfortunately probably better for the sane parties to only focus on the economy. Don't spend much time pressing social agendas.
 
Adisa said:
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This will be spun as a positive story for Trump, but on the other hand he has literally never had the support of half the people in the country. This is of course partly due to a severely divided country, but even Biden peaked at 57% approval, and before Trump 1.0 it was common for presidents to have approvals in the 65-80% range.
 
Raoul said:
Unfortunately, people who vote Democrat are divided into several camps that generally aren't motivated to vote for the Dem candidate if they don't represent their own camp. Republicans on the other hand, are generally galvanized around one guy, which is why they get better turnout than expected and win elections.
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Agreed, but history shows that a) Democrats can be successful, even in traditionally non-democrat states/districts and b) people vote based on their wallets.
 
Fridge chutney said:
Agreed, but history shows that a) Democrats can be successful, even in traditionally non-democrat states/districts and b) people vote based on their wallets.
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That's true of both sides. See Nixon, Reagan, and Obama - each of which, to varying degrees, won convincingly. Unfortunately, that era is now over because of social media, podcasting, and the general way politics is framed in the information age. So unless the Dems cough up an exceptionally strong candidate who can win independents by some distance, they are going to struggle next time as well, unless of course Republicans run a terrible candidate like Vance.
 
FriedClams said:
Good to see Irish icon Conor McGregor at the White House today
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I'm waiting for a Trump truth social post suggesting "many people are saying Conor would make a great Irish ambassador to the United States...." etc., just as he did with Farage in his first term.
 
Raoul said:
That's true of both sides. See Nixon, Reagan, and Obama - each of which, to varying degrees, won convincingly. Unfortunately, that era is now over because of social media, podcasting, and the general way politics is framed in the information age. So unless the Dems cough up an exceptionally strong candidate who can win independents by some distance, they are going to struggle next time as well, unless of course Republicans run a terrible candidate like Vance.
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Depends on the state of the economy, but yes the Dems need to get their act together either way and I see no evidence of that happening.
 
Raoul said:
That's true of both sides. See Nixon, Reagan, and Obama - each of which, to varying degrees, won convincingly. Unfortunately, that era is now over because of social media, podcasting, and the general way politics is framed in the information age. So unless the Dems cough up an exceptionally strong candidate who can win independents by some distance, they are going to struggle next time as well, unless of course Republicans run a terrible candidate like Vance.
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Assuming "normal" presidential elections the next time around, I think it's almost inevitable that the Republicans run someone much, much weaker than Trump. I just don't see anyone that can have the same kind of hypnotic hold on the rubes. Whether that's enough for them to lose the White House is another question.
 
WI_Red said:
I think it comes down to basic selfishness. The hidden suffering of strangers is just not something the vast majority of Americans (humans??) care about.
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America is built on individual prioritisation, moreso than most successful Western countries. It's not surprising that it attracts immigrants with similar mentalities.
 
Mike Smalling said:
Assuming "normal" presidential elections the next time around, I think it's almost inevitable that the Republicans run someone much, much weaker than Trump. I just don't see anyone that can have the same kind of hypnotic hold on the rubes. Whether that's enough for them to lose the White House is another question.
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Normal elections will happen just as they always have. The only thing that won't be quite as normal is that Trump will probably attempt to use his influence to nominate his replacement himself to ensure another Republican (like Haley for instance) doesn't attempt to go after Trump should they win. That will of course be a certainty of a Dem wins and a Dem nominated DOJ takes a look at everything that transpired over the preceding four years.
 
Redplane said:
I continue to feel to see how the people supporting Trump can consider themselves good Christians when he literally embraces the worst humanity has to offer.
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Journalist Tim Alberta wrote about it and has spoken about Evangelical support for Trump. You can look him up on YouTube.

I think the gist of it is that they consider Trump to be their "attack dog" in preserving their America and gaining them political achievements on religious issues.
 
Raoul said:
Tate Brothers next ?

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“Couldn’t think of a better guest”

Hitler?

The fighter said he is in Washington "to raise the issues the people of Ireland face."

He accused the Irish Government of "abandoning the voices of the people of Ireland" saying it's "high time that America be made aware" of, what he called, a "travesty" happening in Ireland.

He’s going to raise the issue of seeing too many foreigners in Ireland. He likes his dealers to be Irish
 
Raoul said:
Normal elections will happen just as they always have. The only thing that won't be quite as normal is that Trump will probably attempt to use his influence to nominate his replacement himself to ensure another Republican (like Haley for instance) doesn't attempt to go after Trump should they win. That will of course be a certainty of a Dem wins and a Dem nominated DOJ takes a look at everything that transpired over the preceding four years.
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I'm not as confident as you on that, but you are obviously right that if things go as usual, Trump will throw his weight behind whatever candidate he finds most fitting. Based on recent comments, it doesn't sound like it will be Vance, but a lot can change between now and then of course.
 
Mike Smalling said:
I'm not as confident as you on that, but you are obviously right that if things go as usual, Trump will throw his weight behind whatever candidate he finds most fitting. Based on recent comments, it doesn't sound like it will be Vance, but a lot can change between now and then of course.
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Yes, Trump declined to say it was Vance a month or two ago, but in the end, he would have limited options to support another candidate. For starters, there are no viable hard maga candidates available given that its always been Trump. It will therefore probably turn into something similar to what we saw in 2016 - a big group of candidates, where the likes of Haley, DeSantis, Vance, Cruz, Hawley, Vivek and a few others throw their hat in the ring. Haley, given her surprising success against Trump in the primaries where she continued taking votes from him even after dropping out, will probably have a slight advantage going in.
 
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“Couldn’t think of a better guest”

Hitler?

The fighter said he is in Washington "to raise the issues the people of Ireland face."

He accused the Irish Government of "abandoning the voices of the people of Ireland" saying it's "high time that America be made aware" of, what he called, a "travesty" happening in Ireland.

He’s going to raise the issue of seeing too many foreigners in Ireland. He likes his dealers to be Irish
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Of course its all fkin political. Trump and his backers are feverishly trying to undermine progressive and centrist governments the world over to kill opposition and get but a little closer to the equivalent of Christian sharia law society - by using people who are one foot or more into hell than most of us if one believes in that.
 
Raoul said:
Yes, Trump declined to say it was Vance a month or two ago, but in the end, he would have limited options to support another candidate. For starters, there are no viable hard maga candidates available given that its always been Trump. It will therefore probably turn into something similar to what we saw in 2016 - a big group of candidates, where the likes of Haley, DeSantis, Vance, Cruz, Hawley, Vivek and a few others throw their hat in the ring. Haley, given her surprising success against Trump in the primaries where she continued taking votes from him even after dropping out, will probably have a slight advantage going in.
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I could see it not being a career politician, but someone dumb and famous.
 
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