A couple of obvious omissions, but then again we're already at a stage where people may have committed to a certain approach - meaning that even top class players will be a bit redundant for them. I reckon most will seek to keep the 12th spot open for a sheep rather than stocking up on players in the same position.
The Third Redcafe Sheep Draft
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Interesting
Plus, it could - in theory - be a game of not getting too sheep riddled. Who knows what sort of criteria will be thrown at us in the coming rounds.
In general, I always find it a bit amusing when people are shocked and outraged at the obvious players the managers somehow failed to pick up - as if they weren't aware of their existence.
When a big name goes unpicked it's much more likely to be because of tactical considerations of one kind or another. Or pure chance: Those who decided to gamble on a big name just happened to gamble on someone else.
We gambled on the phenomenal Nelinho.
The criteria are getting tougher and tougher. This round i reckon is the hardest yet (possibly not quantity, but quality, of players). I hope Gio throws us a few treats as well.
It's not shocking at all people don't go for the obvious picks. Better to get a good player that fits the tactics than a sheep. I have sort of shot myself in the foot already. Preferably in this draft format you shouldn't have a set of tactics decided, rather set the tactics after the players you get. So.. erm, here's hoping for the best.
Kudos on the Thuram and Beckham picks. I'd never go for them sort of players with the 3rd pick.
Interestingly, I came across someone the other day - when doing some research into this free kick lark - who was of the opinion that the phenomenal Nelinho was better than...well, someone else who plays in that position and is known for his free kicks.
Not saying they're right - just patting you on the back, like.
Most of us have sheep so 12th man becomes integral.
Should've gone for the scumbag. Was too afraid 
Don't worry, at least you avoided certain slip-ups.Should've gone for the scumbag. Was too afraid
Yea, felt I was pretty save despite going for a sturdy pick. Arce is an 'under the radar' type of player.
Yes, precisely.
If this one turns out truly brutal, it could even be necessary to "reserve" the 11th spot for a sheep - and try to consolidate in some way, e.g. to focus on building a relatively iron clad defence and just tuck your starting sheep away where he will do the least damage.
Or the opposite approach. Sheep at the back, GOATs up front.
Or you can throw yourself at the mercy of the infamous scan voters: Six sheep, six GOATS. The one with the most recognizable names wins. Unless too many of those recognizable names are recognizable sheep, that is...
I'm not sure how much easier it'd be to "sell" him to the voters than a random sheep.
To be fair I thought Snow was distributed a sheep at first glance
To be fair I thought Snow was distributed a sheep at first glance
I had to check, there's a couple of others I'd have chosen before Arce.There were many very good ones but I figured with so many people left I played it safe. He's a good pick, not worse than Branco and definitely not worse than Srna.
Fair enough, still not really a recognizable name in an all-time draft...
To be fair I thought Snow was distributed a sheep at first glance
Boooooo.....
I thought that was a good pick considering the restraints of the round. He's not a household name, but certainly one of the better right-backs of his era.
I don't mind him. Was always going to be my 3rd round pick this round. He's also not a stranger to these drafts.
disgusting player and overrated as feck, thank God he is at the end of his career.....
btw Beckham as a third round pick, wow......best pick of the round for me.
Sitting on the fence there......
Sitting on the fence there......
hehe dont worry, pretty sure he is highly rated on the caf
25 apps in one season at most. Never played in Europe(this is mid 90's and and early 00's not like half a century ago), I wouldn't call his achievements with Paraguay something that worth of a note, let alone in all time draft.
I'd struggle to find a worse RB in the draft that scored a goal off a free kick in the world cup. I can think of couple of others that are much better that didn't get picked, and Srna IMO is better as well. Or it's just me and @Šjor Bepo that don't rate him that much
@Gio how are we with submissions? Any chance for result this afternoon?
I agree with this and this is something I learned in the current draft being a newbie in it. Obviously at the beginning I'd try to have a formation in mind and pick players that fit it beginning with top/best names for each position and then having backup options.
However the last round was really brutal. We had a lot of top players that can play in AM position(a position I already have a player i), no keepers, no central defenders(apart from an obvious pick that got blocked anyway and that couldn't partner with Cannavaro anyway), no DM, few strikers and few full backs that would've gotten picked and not many wide options.
Sure there are some decent names, but having in mind it's a all time draft you are a bit pressured to go for a competitive name. If you see some of the names already picked in AM position for example Zidane and Laudrup it's hard to go for a decent pick for example but would be considered a sheep in comparison.
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@Enigma_87 Only 6 managers have submitted so far.
He's massively overrated because he used to be a Football Manager god you could get to pretty much any club for 2.5mil. Real life has never quite lived up to those expectations unfortunately.
Shocked at a couple of players who slipped through that free kicks round.
The dismissal of german players before 1940 is a bit strange. Although there was no Bundesliga before 1963, there's still a national competition and a german champion.
It seems reasonable to me. It's just absurdly difficult to research German championship winning teams from before the Bundesliga in detail to prove that a player never played a single game throughout the regional league seasons and the cup runs. I went into that territory for a draft a while ago and it's a nightmare to find reliable data, even more so without speaking German.
Yea, for one the club career stats on wiki are not much to go by. He of course played more than that. Won the Copa Libertadores with two different teams. Doesn't show up as appearances. Notice in the few appearances listed how many goals he has scored. He was that good at free kicks. Not many full backs have scored this many goals and he wasn't even a very offensive fullback like Carlos or Cafu.25 apps in one season at most. Never played in Europe(this is mid 90's and and early 00's not like half a century ago), I wouldn't call his achievements with Paraguay something that worth of a note, let alone in all time draft.
I'd struggle to find a worse RB in the draft that scored a goal off a free kick in the world cup. I can think of couple of others that are much better that didn't get picked, and Srna IMO is better as well. Or it's just me and @Šjor Bepo that don't rate him that much
@Gio how are we with submissions? Any chance for result this afternoon?
I agree with this and this is something I learned in the current draft being a newbie in it. Obviously at the beginning I'd try to have a formation in mind and pick players that fit it beginning with top/best names for each position and then having backup options.
However the last round was really brutal. We had a lot of top players that can play in AM position(a position I already have a player i), no keepers, no central defenders(apart from an obvious pick that got blocked anyway and that couldn't partner with Cannavaro anyway), no DM, few strikers and few full backs that would've gotten picked and not many wide options.
Sure there are some decent names, but having in mind it's a all time draft you are a bit pressured to go for a competitive name. If you see some of the names already picked in AM position for example Zidane and Laudrup it's hard to go for a decent pick for example but would be considered a sheep in comparison.
There are many reasons why players don't play in Europe. It's not a necessity. The difference is money wasn't as much as it is now. You might remember at the turn of the century when United played in the Club World Championship how the competition was a lot stronger. Both United and Real took part but Corinthians and Vasco played in the finals. Palmeiras won the Copa Libertadores the year after (winners of the '98 Copa participated in the 2000 CWC). I imagine you know something about Copa Libertadores so you should take that into perspective.
In your opinion Srna is better. That's your proclamation because you hadn't heard of the guy and took a short look at his wiki page. Srna is a Croatian that hasn't played outside of Croatia and Ukraine. Are you telling me that those leagues are stronger than the Brazilian league?
edit: Might want to add that I don't have anything against Srna. He's just being brought up as a direct comparison. Pick wise I don't think Srna is great because he peaked quite a while ago and so people's memory of him will be how he's played in recent years.
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But is it really easier to find information on the hungarian champions of the fifties? I don't think so.
Surprisingly yes. You find full squads of the league winners of all countries quite easily. With the pre-Bundesliga German winners it's a lot more difficult to find the squads from the regional league seasons and the following group stages and playoffs and they are sometimes surprisingly different from each other. It really is a nightmare to research. I don't think it's a big deal anyway.
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Also, it could be argued which squad should count. Similar to the Brazilian league system back then it's not as clear cut what games should be counted. The decision seems a very convenient way to avoid controversy.
Again I think Arce is a good pick. His right peg is that potent he can effectively play a Beckham-esque role from full-back. He's no mug defensively either.
@Joga Bonito is running riot!
Eh? Hardly.
Besides I'm not getting invested in my squad as of yet, as I'm sure there will be a curve-ball or two in the coming rounds.
Quick couple of questions:
1. Is there any way to get rid of the sheep once they've been bestowed upon us?
2. And as a follow up, what is the all time record for sheeps acquired in a single draft by one team? Reckon we might set a new one this time. 2 already, with what must be a 3rd on the way in just 5 rounds.
1. Is there any way to get rid of the sheep once they've been bestowed upon us?
2. And as a follow up, what is the all time record for sheeps acquired in a single draft by one team? Reckon we might set a new one this time. 2 already, with what must be a 3rd on the way in just 5 rounds.
@Tuppet aldreay has 3 sheeps.