Klopps Law. They never seem to reach the same level as they did working under him. Gotze maybe being the exception but he's very young still.
The solution to our striker problems?.......Robert Lewandowski
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Klopps Law. They never seem to reach the same level as they did working under him. Gotze maybe being the exception but he's very young still.
Good point, however I think if Guardiola had a more orthodox setup for a striker then Lewandowski would probably be playing better.
It's not like he's playing that badly. He's not scoring as much, sure, but he provides many other things. His only really bad performances came in games where the entire team was awful. The media are just extremely quick to brand players as "not a player for Pep". Heck, at the beginning of his tenure half of the "experts" over here were sure that Robben would leave.
He's an enigma? No he isn't. He's a good striker that takes part in play and scores wherever he goes. 3 seasons in a row in the Bundesliga he scored 20 or more goals. 10 goals in one CL campaign Not many players have that kind of CL record. Probably 10 or less players in the last 20-25 years.
Now he plays for a team that has a number of goalscorers for a manager that's not very big on playing with a proper striker.
Its a pity he didnt I think LVG would have brought him here. Do you think he would leave eventually and would Muller ever leave?
There is no guarantee that any player will deliver. I very much rather us let Falcao go (too expensive), keep RvP and make Wilson a regular.
No. Neither of those two will leave in the next years. Robben always talks like he wants to retire in Munich.
We had a similar discussion about Müller as we have now about Lewandowski, when he was benched twice in CL knockout games last season and all of a sudden he was called a player that Pep didn't want and would leave once Lewandowski joined the team. What happened was that Müller extended his contract.
What Balu said...
He'd definitely be an upgrade on Van Person, don't see it happening though.
Muller doesnt start regularly though right?
He started 26 of the 31 games we played so far this season in league, cup and CL.
If I was him I'd focus on the other 5 and move to us. We'll start him every week. feck it, he can play for the U14s as well if that helps us to seal the deal.
Not just pace. Also the ability to run at players and beat his man. No doubt he's a top striker, just not the kind I want us to get.
Mind you, I dont see us signing a top striker matching the profile I'd like to see.
feck..must have been last year he wasnt playing as much. Id love him at United. We need a few Germans in our team.
Fair enough. But it's not common what youre talking about. I'd say that when he was at dortmund with dribbling skill and pace around him - gotze, reus etc - he was more devastating than someone like sturridge has ever been because he was absolutely the complete Package. Some of his play wirh back to goal and intelligent link up play was brilliant.
Yep, you could count on 1 hand the number of top strikers with that skill set.
What you mention, dribbling skill and pace around the striker, RVP would be as good in that role. We don't have the players to do so though which is why I'd like a striker with the traits I mentioned.
Not for this millennium anyway.
They're actually quite similar in nature at their best - Rvp and Lewandowski.
There is never any guarantee but you make educated guesses. I'd expect a player like Lewandowski - one of Europe's top strikers, at the peak of his career, to deliver more than a young lad with a handful of decent performances.
I like to give young lads a chance but I cant see how its sensible here given where we are and the fact that we need to do everything we can to get back to competing for the title. Its also not fair on the player, putting that level of responsibility and expectation on a young lad who will need time to develop.
If we follow your logic then we'd not need to buy anyone and just chuck in youth players into key positions. The reality is you need to be cleverer than that and try to find a balance. For me that starts with having proven quality in key positions creating a "spine" for the team. That helps the young players as much as anyone.
The solution? Play with 1 striker and 2 wingers. Then use Rooney up front with Wilson and RVP as options.
Not good enough tbh
Would love him here, with Rooney in behind we'd have 2 physical centre forwards that would create mayhem. Add a physical presence in midfield and defence and suddenly we have that spine we are currently missing.
None of those players have 25+ goals in a single season for the past 2 years. Thats not good enough for a team whos target is to challenge for the title next season and the UCL the next. Wilson is a top talent, but he hasn't earnt the right to be no3 in such a team just yet, maybe he can by the end of the season though.
Its not a guarantee at all.
Yes it is. There's only a small number of strikers in the world who I would back to score more as a lone striker for us than Rooney would do, and even then itd be close. After Di Maria he's our best outfield player by a huge distance - lets sort out the rest the positions and build the team around our two best players in their best positions. Lets not make the same mistakes again.
Rooney hasn't played as striker on his own during his career bar one season and that was 6 years ago, he's not the same player now. Plus having a has-been and a kid as your only back-ups is asking for trouble. Rooney will remain "mufti-functional" IMO and we will need a new striker added to the team if we are to be genuine contenders.
Your belief in him is very good, great even. However he hasn't displayed such form this season, or last season, or for a few years. So a gaurantee it is not. Also like the poster above mentioned a has been and a kid as back up isn't the answer. Especially when we know Rooney will have at some point in the season his downtime (when he is out of form).
EDIT: I still think hes a very good player btw
Don't think he would agree to leave Bayern Munich for Manchester United, i mean they sold Mandzukic for him they don't have any good replacement for him right now, maybe when another striker from Dortmund becomes world class, not now
I don't particularly rate him as better than what we have, very similar to Rooney as a striker in my opinion, if we are going for someone else up top (assuming we don't sign falcao) then I'd rather have a young potential player with speed such as Dybala Barbosa take your pick..
I totally agree, although his 27 goals in that league campaign was very impressive, i mean just 4 behind Ronaldo's record, i think his striking ability is underrated sometimes.
I'd prefer seeing Rooney up front as main striker and getting rid of Falcao, RvP (and Hernandez), giving Wilson a bit more playing time and buying players like Dybala and Depay.
You mean since the last season he was played as a lead the line striker? Or the fact that in the last 2-3 years playing as the lead the line striker for England his goal scoring record has been better than ever before? Or the fact that in his only two seasons as a lead the line striker for us he has scored 26 and 27 PL goals (34 and 34 in all comps)?
His finishing has improved even in recent years, as has his movement and awareness in the box. Despite us playing him further and further away from goal. It's hardly a radical solution to play suggest playing one of our best players in their actual position.
I'm less bothered about the subs but I'd be satisfied with RVP. He'd certainly do a lot better as threat from the bench with 30 minutes remaining than he does playing the full 90 each week alongside another, equally static striker.
I think he's quality. A little under the radar now he's alongside so much talent at Bayern but still proving he can score regularly. His scoring has always been great, at Dortmund he was the main man for goals but it's just that at Bayern Robben/Muller/Gotze are all just as good at finding the net.
They'd never sell him though, it's obvious he's class.
They'd never sell him though, it's obvious he's class.
The German media plays a game. Every season.
Its called "who wants to leave Bayern because he isnt scoring 10 goals in the first 10 games and/or not starting every game?".
Lewandowski has 21 scorer in 30 Bayern games. And Pep has so many options. This "crisis" is a made up story.
Just 26 too.
You can argue that Pep wasnt the man who wanted him. But he sure loves it to have such a striker, perfect for the idea of football he has.
Its called "who wants to leave Bayern because he isnt scoring 10 goals in the first 10 games and/or not starting every game?".
Lewandowski has 21 scorer in 30 Bayern games. And Pep has so many options. This "crisis" is a made up story.
Just 26 too.
You can argue that Pep wasnt the man who wanted him. But he sure loves it to have such a striker, perfect for the idea of football he has.
For me its the other way around. Id rather have him now that he's failed at bayern because he was a massive striker for dortmund.
He's low on confidence and if he rediscovered his form with us he could be worth every penny.
He's low on confidence and if he rediscovered his form with us he could be worth every penny.
What is going on in here?