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Big-Red said:
Its not actually too bad, think in terms of income and expenditure without transfers (my baseline) its about a 6mil loss. A few transfers and hopefully some prize money should see that right.
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Aye. I don't think anyone but United makes any substantial profit anyways. It's just varying degrees of losses or minimal profit where you have been equipped with varying squad caps to compensate for that by making money off risers.

That's why I don't get this proposal to restrict loans on top of that. Every riser makes the club atleast 2.5-3mil if the manager wants a quick buck, more if he goes long term. Extra 7.5k in your stadium capacity isn't going to make that big a difference in the income.

Wanting some cap on loans on top of that so that you can be slow and then keep players you can't afford even after this big advantage is just greedy.
 
Varun said:
I don't want any restrictions on loans due to the reasons I already mentioned but will go for this if people want.
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I'd also rather keep it as is right now but people (mainly lower div sides) want a change. I will not go along with 1 loan out for me lol. I was losing a million every week until i started selling. I'm at 500k right now and will prob sell a few more to lower it.
 
Nice work RS. Shows that the impact on the attendance is much quicker. I think damo posted about this from the SM forums too where it mentioned that attendance and sponsorship revenue depends on performance and fluctuates based on how one does.
 
I don't even care about the money I just don't like seeing that many players on my page.
 
The Stain said:
I'd also rather keep it as is right now but people (mainly lower div sides) want a change. I will not go along with 1 loan out for me lol. I was losing a million every week until i started selling. I'm at 500k right now and will prob sell a few more to lower it.
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We don't know for sure if most of them want a change

If they do not voice out, I say keep the existing system, i.e. no loan cap
 
green_smiley said:
We don't know for sure if most of them want a change

If they do not voice out, I say keep the existing system, i.e. no loan cap
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Well, it's only logical innit. As for e-fighting hehe, i certainly am not and i'm sure you and mjj are fine.
 
Max Attendance 60,362
Arsenal Home Games

G1 - Manchester United (60,354 / 99.99%) - n/a
G2 - Chelsea (60,343 / 99.97%) - 2nd
G3 - Newcastle United (60,317 / 99.93%) - 8th
G4 - Milton Keynes Dons (60,339 / 99.96%) - 3rd
G5 - Liverpool (60,337 / 99.96%) - 8th
G6 - Aston Villa (57,625 / 95.47%) - 11th
G7 - Stoke City (51,310 / 85.00%) - 14th
G8 - Tottenham Hotspur (60,351 / 99.98%) - 11th
G9 - West Ham United (48,327 / 80.06%) - 16th
G10 - Southampton (44,397 / 73.55%) - 18th
G11 - Blackburn Rovers (46,661 / 77.30%) - 17th (Knocked out of League Cup)
G12 - Manchester City (46,285 / 76.68%) - 17th (Knocked out of League Shield)
G13 - Sunderland (46,064 / 76.31%) - 17th
G14 - Wolverhampton Wanderers (44,547 / 73.80%) - 18th
G15 - Everton (48,524 / 80.39%) - 16th (Knocked out of Europe)
G16 - Nottingham Forest (48,623 / 80.55%) - 16th
 
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Everton also follow a similar pattern. Here's the average for their positions:

11th 85.34%
12th 82.32%
13th 80.09%
14th 76.58%
15th 73.56%
16th 70.36%
17th 67.66%
18th 65.25%

The only fixtures that break the pattern seem to be the first few home games (where the attendance seems identical) and any derbies. Everton maxed out their stadium against Liverpool despite being 16th before the game began.
 
The % drop per league position is about 3% on average by the looks of it.

I'd also assume that the starting attendance rate (fanbase) is probably calculated based on your final league position of the season before. This should be pretty easy to prove given that Arsenal finished S8 in 7th and Everton finished in 16th. So that should mean that Arsenals fanbase drops for next season while Evertons gets a slight rise.

Edit: Looking at the above it doesn't seem right as Sunderland and MK Dons finished in the top 6 last season and both had poor fanbases at the start of the season. While Villa was almost relegated last season and started the season only 4,500 less than max capacity.
 
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Max Attendance 76,212
Manchester United Home Games

G2 - Fulham ( 75,690 / 99.32% )
G4 - Newcastle United ( 75,638 / 99.25% )
G6 - Liverpool ( 76,166 / 99.94% )
G8 - Stoke City ( 76,163 / 99.94% )
G10 - West Ham United ( 75,762 / 99.41% )
G12 - Blackburn Rovers ( 59,917 / 78.62% )
G14 - Sunderland ( 68,164 / 89.44% )
G16 - Everton ( 76,208 / 99.99% )
G18 - Queens Park Rangers ( 76,174 / 99.95% )
G20 - Arsenal ( 76,182 / 99.96% )
G22 - Chelsea ( 76,200 / 99.98% )
G24 - Milton Keynes Dons ( 76,165 / 99.94% )
G26 - Aston Villa ( 76,200 / 99.98% )
G28 - Tottenham Hotspur ( 76,190 / 99.97% )
G30 - Southampton ( 76,184 / 99.96% )
G32 - Manchester City ( 76,167 / 99.94% )
 
Finances:

Income:
Season Ticket Receipts - £3,423,648
Gate Receipts - £42,054,448
TV Revenue - £17,877,624
Sponsor - £17,622,739
Merchandise - £5,874,246
Prize Money - £7,200,000
Total - £94,052,705

Expenditure:
Player Wages - £47,836,545
Ground Maintenance - £11,981,854
Total - £59,818,399
 
Damien said:
Finances:

Income:
Season Ticket Receipts - £3,423,648
Gate Receipts - £42,054,448
TV Revenue - £17,877,624
Sponsor - £17,622,739
Merchandise - £5,874,246
Prize Money - £7,200,000
Total - £94,052,705

Expenditure:
Player Wages - £47,836,545
Ground Maintenance - £11,981,854
Total - £59,818,399
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Dafuq! Wowzers, you have some serious income.
 
Damien said:
Max Attendance 76,212
Manchester United Home Games

G2 - Fulham ( 75,690 / 99.32% )
G4 - Newcastle United ( 75,638 / 99.25% )
G6 - Liverpool ( 76,166 / 99.94% )
G8 - Stoke City ( 76,163 / 99.94% )
G10 - West Ham United ( 75,762 / 99.41% )
G12 - Blackburn Rovers ( 59,917 / 78.62% )
G14 - Sunderland ( 68,164 / 89.44% )
G16 - Everton ( 76,208 / 99.99% )
G18 - Queens Park Rangers ( 76,174 / 99.95% )
G20 - Arsenal ( 76,182 / 99.96% )
G22 - Chelsea ( 76,200 / 99.98% )
G24 - Milton Keynes Dons ( 76,165 / 99.94% )
G26 - Aston Villa ( 76,200 / 99.98% )
G28 - Tottenham Hotspur ( 76,190 / 99.97% )
G30 - Southampton ( 76,184 / 99.96% )
G32 - Manchester City ( 76,167 / 99.94% )
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Aye, see you had a dip of attendance for the Blackburn/Sunderland games which I assume is when you had that dip of form and were in the bottom half of the table.
 
RedSky said:
Aye, see you had a dip of attendance for the Blackburn/Sunderland games which I assume is when you had that dip of form and were in the bottom half of the table.
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Yep. And as I did so well last season and at the start of this with winning the supercup etc I think that accounts for the near 100% capacity the other times as my fanbase must be huge
 
Damien said:
Zouma starts again. Terry's time at Chelsea must surely be over?

Baba makes a rare bench appearance
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I don't get it to be honest, Terry was integral to Chelsea's success last season. I think an awful lot has gone on behind the scenes at Chelsea this year. With the kerfuffle involving the clubs doctors and the poor performances on the pitch. Let's not forget the rumours about Terry getting previous managers the boot and owning the dressing room, it wouldn't surprise me if they have fallen out. One thing is for sure, and that is something's not right at The Bridge.

I really hate being put in a position where I have to hope Chelsea, City and Arsenal all do well in the CL or else everyone will suffer if the Italian teams outperform the English sides in Europe over the next two seasons.
 
2 assists for Derlis Gonzales tonight, as for predrag following your country men to Israel may have sounded like good idea but in reality its a horrendous decision for his career who would choose to play behind tal ben haim, there was clubs in Germany and Turkey that wanted him, even staying put for another season would have been a better option than Israel.
 
that loan rule handicaps me
I can't loan out anymore currently because all the AI teams are at their 3 max players loaned it
the 12 or so players I need to loan out are all under 80, only AI teams want them
stadium capacity is only 26k
that extra 50-60k a week in wages adds up over a season for me
 
infamous7 said:
that loan rule handicaps me
I can't loan out anymore currently because all the AI teams are at their 3 max players loaned it
the 12 or so players I need to loan out are all under 80, only AI teams want them
stadium capacity is only 26k
that extra 50-60k a week in wages adds up over a season for me
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I advocate loan cap if smaller clubs want it. As I know of, excluding Div 1 clubs, only Norwich and Crystal Palace show interest. I would assume that the rest are not as active, or not interested

I talked about how some clubs are punching above their weight and should sell players to compensate the loss. Funnily enough, I have been doing the same for past few weeks, and is pushing my financial limit to purchase risers, because competition is getting fiercer. That extra few k's means a lot for clubs like ours, so I fully understand it

So, unless we hear more feedback, just stick with no loan cap, and reward active players
 
Fwiw I recalled all my players at unmanaged clubs. Got bored of waiting til end of season to crunch numbers. Should be some loan spaces available now.
 
I know the different chairman valuations can be tricky when making deals with managed clubs. However, when it comes to bidding-wars for young talented risers; throwing in a player in the deal can sway it your way if your chairman is a cnut, and doesn't let you bid as high as other clubs. Hope it's optional whether to include/exclude this aspect with the new update/season. Anyone else feel this way?
 
The Stain said:
I know the different chairman valuations can be tricky when making deals with managed clubs. However, when it comes to bidding-wars for young talented risers; throwing in a player in the deal can sway it your way if your chairman is a cnut, and doesn't let you bid as high as other clubs. Hope it's optional whether to include/exclude this aspect with the new update/season. Anyone else feel this way?
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I just hope we can switch off new wages otherwise we'll probably need to increase the economy of the gameworld to survive.

My current wages are: £1,259,900
My new wages would be: £1,735,660
The difference: £475,760

For my club considering I already make a loss that's a huge boost.
 
RedSky said:
I just hope we can switch off new wages otherwise we'll probably need to increase the economy of the gameworld to survive.

My current wages are: £1,259,900
My new wages would be: £1,735,660
The difference: £475,760

For my club considering I already make a loss that's a huge boost.
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Ye, that to. I don't think anyone wants that.
 
RedSky said:
I just hope we can switch off new wages otherwise we'll probably need to increase the economy of the gameworld to survive.

My current wages are: £1,259,900
My new wages would be: £1,735,660
The difference: £475,760

For my club considering I already make a loss that's a huge boost.
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ignore what I posted above, the formula didn't include Messi and Ozil's values. Now they're included:

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