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Cumulative Division 1 points

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  • Nottingham Forest have overtaken Manchester City into fourth place.
  • Liverpool have become the thirteenth team to pass the 1000 point mark.
  • Manchester United have been top on cumulative points since Season 6, however Everton look set to take the number one spot at some point in the next two seasons..
Cumulative Division 1 goals

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  • Nottingham Forest has overtaken Manchester City into fourth, Sunderland has overtaken Darlington into ninth.
  • Manchester United have been top on cumulative goals since Season 1, though Everton aim to overtake this in the next couple of seasons..
Cumulative Division 1 Top 4 finishes

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  • Everton had the longest streak of cumulative Top 4 finishes with 9 from Season 12 to Season 20 inclusive.
  • 19 teams have finished in the Top 4, with Aston Villa being the latest in Season 24.
  • Manchester United have been top/joint top on Top 4 finishes since Season 1.
Cumulative major honours

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  • 29 teams have won at least one major honour with Southend United being the latest side to do so last season.
  • Manchester United have been top/joint top on major honours won since Season 8.
 
Damien said:
Darlington have gone third mostly by winning domestic cups. You can definitely keep competing for those.
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That’s my aim for the next few seasons. Decent league finishes but cups and Europe are the focus at least until I can build up Cardiff a bit more.

We just don’t have the starting XI power of the consistent winners to challenge for the league.

The consistency of United and Everton is ridiculous!
 
Damien said:
Yep. Everton have done amazingly under different managers while United has done well under just the one following a sparse spell under the previous manager.

The following table shows how well you and @Ravelation have done in such a short space of time

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Yeah, I'm quite proud of that, just need to win the league Cup and CS and I honestly think that is possible at Bradford.
 
@Sepukku has won the vote for Arsenal manager, apply whenever.

@Green_Red will be the new Southampton manager.

Preston North End will probably go to draft depending on appetite

@Varun / @harshad do you think anyone in the Desi league will be interested in West Ham? (top division team next season)

If not then will see if anyone in caf wants it as not often a top flight team opens up.
 
Damien said:
@Sepukku has won the vote for Arsenal manager, apply whenever.

@Green_Red will be the new Southampton manager.

Preston North End will probably go to draft depending on appetite

@Varun / @harshad do you think anyone in the Desi league will be interested in West Ham? (top division team next season)

If not then will see if anyone in caf wants it as not often a top flight team opens up.
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Will ask them if they are interested. What is the cash situation with West Ham?
 
@Damien can I get access to Southampton? Before I make the switch, how much money do they have in the bank?
 
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Ravelation said:
I bid 40k on Arouch and it was over bid by Stain at 350k, surely thats breach of the rule?
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Was 40k the max bid you could offer?

Edit: Just checked, there's only 3 players in the entire database valued below 40k.

The rule is that when a new player is added you put the max offer bid, i.e. if he's entered in as a 100k player but the max bid is 230k then you bid 230k. When the value changes the following morning (stupid system) the max bid also readjusts. But because our ruling is that you have to match the max initial bid, it means that the change in value is redundant.

If you bid 40k it would have been rejected automatically anyway by the engine.
 
Ravelation said:
I bid 40k on Arouch and it was over bid by Stain at 350k, surely thats breach of the rule?
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Value was 40k. I bid 79k. Then when i checked later it had changed to 180k so withdrew and bid max. Like RS said, the bids would've been rejected so what's the problem? Also, in the future, disclose your bids for newly added players.
 
The Stain said:
Value was 40k. I bid 79k. Then when i checked later it had changed to 180k so withdrew and bid max. Like RS said, the bids would've been rejected so what's the problem? Also, in the future, disclose your bids for newly added players.
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Isn’t it the max bid of the first available value though?

The first available was 79k so it should be capped at that?
 
The Stain said:
Value was 40k. I bid 79k. Then when i checked later it had changed to 180k so withdrew and bid max. Like RS said, the bids would've been rejected so what's the problem? Also, in the future, disclose your bids for newly added players.
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They get rejected after a price change? I thought they still go through?

Also just realised I didn't bid max so you'd have won anyways, no biggie either way.
 
Ravelation said:
They get rejected after a price change? I thought they still go through?

Also just realised I didn't bid max so you'd have won anyways, no biggie either way.
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The new value was 180k so of course if we bid lower than face value, the bids will be rejected. How SM wiki have managed to make this terrible system even worse is actually impressive.
 
Ravelation said:
They get rejected after a price change? I thought they still go through?

Also just realised I didn't bid max so you'd have won anyways, no biggie either way.
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Think the way it works is if the bids aren't accepted before the price increase they will fail and if the bids are accepted before the price increase then they go through.
 
The rules are pretty clear that the max bid is the only one that can be matched, so unfortunately Stain, I do see this as an FFP violation. Do the crime do the time, I've definitely breached FFP on worse formalities and unclear ruling, so this has to be a breach.
 
Ravelation said:
The rules are pretty clear that the max bid is the only one that can be matched, so unfortunately Stain, I do see this as an FFP violation. Do the crime do the time, I've definitely breached FFP on worse formalities and unclear ruling, so this has to be a breach.
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I wasn't thinking straight, i had an unfair advantage by making a new bid. Clearly i wasn't trying to exploit the situation as it would be, and is, my 2nd infraction and means a season long ban. Sucks as i still remain my 1st infraction was complete bullshit as it was for something people had been doing over and over but this one i accept.

On a positive note it has brought to attention what happens with players that are added with a low valuation. Going forward, Frank's suggestion should be added to the rules that only managers that bid for the player in question on the first bid, should get to bid a 2nd time after the bids are rejected. I will release the player after his ban if it means only me and Rav can bid.

Edit: i don't want Rav to get banned for not disclosing his bid.
 
While we’re on the subject are we ever going to wipe off peoples criminal FFP records?

Because now Stain would be one error from being kicked out of the league which I’m sure nobody wants…

@Damien
 
The Stain said:
Going forward, Frank's suggestion should be added to the rules that only managers that bid for the player in question on the first bid, should get to bid a 2nd time after the bids are rejected. I will release the player after his ban if it means only me and Rav can bid.
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I agree with that. Would need to be voted on though.

Rav won't get banned - many people don't disclose their bids which is annoying. I'd prefer everyone disclose them for players added to the db as it reduces confusion over if that player had a price increase or not.

I don't think the penalty for it should be as harsh as an outright ffp violation (as it isn't listed under FFP Rule Violations) but nobody has suggested an adequate punishment despite me asking for suggestions for years.
 
I could sell him to the AI and then not be allowed to bid on him when the one week transfer ban on him expires. That sucks for me but seems like a good punishment.
 
Surely we just make Stain sell the player and then all can rebid at CV?

If you really want to punish Stain then just ban him from bidding lesson learnt move on?

Are we going to look at historical violations and strike them off after a period of years too? Because there are a good few cases (mine included) where rules aren’t as clear as intended where people fall foul. I think most here have shown over a long time now the dedication to the GW for us to consider this.
 
I don't think anyone should serve a ban tbh, and as for me I didn't even realise I didn't disclose, its like muscle memory to Click that button when bidding on a player.

Can we just equal out the bidding, sell Arouch back to AI then anyone can rebid on him, unfortunately I think the whole idea of only allowing two people to rebid on a player confuses things going forwards, as it would mean everyone would have to track which players were bid on prior.
 
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