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The loophole is that when you are below FFP there is nothing stopping you to bid. It would only be a breach of FFP once the bids are accepted and accordingly you go above FFP. Seems like Wino's team wasn't or rather isn't breaching FFP as of now but if the 4 bids go through then he will be in breach of FFP and should be punished accordingly.
You're not allowed to bid unless it's p/ex if the number of active bids take your squad total above FFP
 
Yup thats the intent but the wordings were not explicitly worded as you posted.
Yeah, it states that only for "on FFP" cases but everyone knows its also for ffp-1 for instance. Given FFP is something we've implemented ourselves instead of a SM rule, it's weird for people to use the wording as an excuse
 
@Varun I think it’s more embarrassing bidding on players you don’t know and using everyone else’s work to find new players.

I watch plenty of football, people I like, I look for on SM. If they are already on the database, not at a managed club, then that’s great. If they are, it’s a bit of a shitter. If they aren’t on the database, that’s the worst thing for me. As I know people like yourself jump on the bandwagon of other people’s scouting.

I just used the wording of a rule to get around it.

Others have done the same in the past. Even GS who implements most of the rules. I’m just the only one who is open about it.
 
@Varun I think it’s more embarrassing bidding on players you don’t know and using everyone else’s work to find new players.

I watch plenty of football, people I like, I look for on SM. If they are already on the database, not at a managed club, then that’s great. If they are, it’s a bit of a shitter. If they aren’t on the database, that’s the worst thing for me. As I know people like yourself jump on the bandwagon of other people’s scouting.

I just used the wording of a rule to get around it.

Others have done the same in the past. Even GS who implements most of the rules. I’m just the only one who is open about it.
Don't associate me with you. I withdrew my bids on time :p
 
@Varun I think it’s more embarrassing bidding on players you don’t know and using everyone else’s work to find new players.

I watch plenty of football, people I like, I look for on SM. If they are already on the database, not at a managed club, then that’s great. If they are, it’s a bit of a shitter. If they aren’t on the database, that’s the worst thing for me. As I know people like yourself jump on the bandwagon of other people’s scouting.

I just used the wording of a rule to get around it.

Others have done the same in the past. Even GS who implements most of the rules. I’m just the only one who is open about it.
Ok :lol:
 
So are we going to jail or not?

If so, I'm sorry Wino you put up a solid fight but I can not pay you for your legal representation.
No idea. Stain was the one who pushed for the bans in the first place and changed his mind as long as the rules would be stated clearly in the OP for future, however Wino turning into a Scooby Doo villain has probably reduced the chances of the bans being rescinded to nil.

You have lost your bet
Still no bloody bid for Dimitriou though - who was on the list for a month longer. Still, this is a start and will be handy in a months time if there are any players available.
 
No idea. Stain was the one who pushed for the bans in the first place and changed his mind as long as the rules would be stated clearly in the OP for future, however Wino turning into a Scooby Doo villain has probably reduced the chances of the bans being rescinded to nil.


Still no bloody bid for Dimitriou though - who was on the list for a month longer. Still, this is a start and will be handy in a months time if there are any players available.
Has to be a 1 month ban.
 
Btw, given how keen people are to use wordings to work around FFP which is a Caf driven thing to keep the GW competitive, maybe we should actually have a vote but about whether people want to keep FFP going.

I'd be happy to do away with it if that's what the majority wants because it would help me greatly even though I think it's great for the GW from a competition POV.
 
Btw, given how keen people are to use wordings to work around FFP which is a Caf driven thing to keep the GW competitive, maybe we should actually have a vote but about whether people want to keep FFP going.

I'd be happy to do away with it if that's what the majority wants because it would help me greatly even though I think it's great for the GW from a competition POV.
I'm strongly against the removal of FFP but if people want a vote that is fine. Think removing FFP would kill off the league entirely though.
 
FFP needs to stay.
 
Btw, given how keen people are to use wordings to work around FFP which is a Caf driven thing to keep the GW competitive, maybe we should actually have a vote but about whether people want to keep FFP going.

I'd be happy to do away with it if that's what the majority wants because it would help me greatly even though I think it's great for the GW from a competition POV.

Let’s just get one thing right, I never went over my FFP, and I would also vote against getting rid of it.

I put myself in a position where there was a chance I could have gone over. But the chances of me winning both players was well below 10%. For the last time, I didn’t break any rules. You obviously have some sort of agenda.

But whatever, some people have sided with what I have had to say, others haven’t.

Put it to a vote/poll wether me and the others deserve a ban.
 
Shouldn't really be putting other people in an undesirable position by making them vote whether a fellow manager gets banned. Mods just need to decide and close the case.
 
I said i'd be willing to give them a pass this time and i still am. Fulham seeing my message on SM then only withdrawing one of the two bids he needed to withdraw and Wino being Wino made it tempting to ban them though. I'm making the decision to give them a pass simply because others have gotten away with this shit in the past. New ruling about this will be in the OP from today. Case closed.
 
FFP should absolutely not be removed, it's what keeps this GW going. As for the bans, i'd say let this one slide and update the rules to be very clear on this matter.
 
Any other ways people try to work around FFP?

FFP definitely needs to and will stay.
 
I'm strongly against the removal of FFP but if people want a vote that is fine. Think removing FFP would kill off the league entirely though.
Yup which is why it's so fecking weird that people especially those who manage small clubs that are the main beneficiaries are fecking around with it.
 
Let’s just get one thing right, I never went over my FFP, and I would also vote against getting rid of it.

I put myself in a position where there was a chance I could have gone over. But the chances of me winning both players was well below 10%. For the last time, I didn’t break any rules. You obviously have some sort of agenda.

But whatever, some people have sided with what I have had to say, others haven’t.

Put it to a vote/poll wether me and the others deserve a ban.
Yes, my agenda is that stuff like FFP which makes the GW so good aren't fecked with. I couldn't care less about you or the 4 players in question here, it's about the bigger picture.
 
Don't waste my time

Well if you were referring to me, I’ve actually made it stronger from pointing out a weakness :D .

Teams like myself would benefit more from spongers, like yourself, finding your own players. ;)
 
Shouldn't really be putting other people in an undesirable position by making them vote whether a fellow manager gets banned. Mods just need to decide and close the case.
Who are the mods?

Bolton in the cup for me tonight. Forgot their manager recently left - hopefully I can progress.
 
Well if you were referring to me, I’ve actually made it stronger from pointing out a weakness :D .

Teams like myself would benefit more from spongers, like yourself, finding your own players. ;)
I just laughed at your last post hoping you'd get the hint but it's downright moronic to say what you've done given the way I've built up the Arsenal team since I took over (when you weren't even in the league but you still chose to spout shit) + the fact that people tend to get into other things in life which take priority and not leave them with time to scout for players on SM, play WW etc, things I had time for earlier.

I'm amazed I actually have to point this out. Your previous post said a lot about you which is why I didn't even bother engaging and instead chose to just laugh at it.
 
I just laughed at your last post hoping you'd get the hint but it's downright moronic to say what you've done given the way I've built up the Arsenal team since I took over (when you weren't even in the league but you still chose to spout shit) + the fact that people tend to get into other things in life which take priority and not leave them with time to scout for players on SM, play WW etc, things I had time for earlier.

I'm amazed I actually have to point this out. Your previous post said a lot about you which is why I didn't even bother engaging and instead chose to just laugh at it.

Yet you have plenty of time to bitch and moan :lol:.

Grow up, stop moaning about something that never happened and move on.

I’ve only carried this on because of how stupid it is.

But yet again, just to point out. I didn’t break the rules :rolleyes:

If it makes you feel better, I will quite happily quit.
 
The bans have to happen or there is no point in FFP
Wino's argument is that people have done it before and not got banned, with people not bothering to monitor bids and rules not being stated in the OP. Was only down to Stain monitoring the transfer bids this time around that people got 'caught'.

@RedSky is sorting out some unambiguous rules which will be added to the OP and that'll be the end of it.

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Wino's argument is that people have done it before and not got banned, with people not bothering to monitor bids and rules not being stated in the OP. Was only down to Stain monitoring the transfer bids this time around that people got 'caught'.

@RedSky is sorting out some unambiguous rules which will be added to the OP and that'll be the end of it.


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Those excuses are a load of bollocks though and everyone including Wino knows it. He's admitted as much with the excuse being "others have done it before too". As I said, FFP is a gentleman's agreement for the better of the GW, its not an ingame rule. Why does stain or anyone else need to monitor bids people are making and why does the rule need to state ffp-1, ffp-2 etc as well when it already states that bids when already on FFP have to be p/ex and that it has nothing to do with whether or not you land the player eventually? Everyone knows the rules, it's just some who want FFP but also want to work around it to cheat hoping no one notices. And then you have the amazing posts that Wino's been making. It's me now who's the embarrassment and I'm bitching, moaning and need to grow up. Utterly ridiculous.
 
Yet you have plenty of time to bitch and moan :lol:.

Grow up, stop moaning about something that never happened and move on.

I’ve only carried this on because of how stupid it is.

But yet again, just to point out. I didn’t break the rules :rolleyes:

If it makes you feel better, I will quite happily quit.
Your posts are not even worthy of a response. You're either 15 or just a tedious cnut, either ways, not worth my time.
 
Your posts are not even worthy of a response. You're either 15 or just a tedious cnut, either ways, not worth my time.

Quite ironic that you respond in that way :lol: can’t believe you are still biting every time
 
Fact is wino you can't have your cake and eat it too, you were found out trying to work around the rules which would have ended up breaking them so accept your ban and stop moaning
 
3:0 win at home to Bolton Wanderers - captained by Paddy McNair and featuring United loanees Merino and Lyanco, with the third (Mavropanos) on the bench as an unused substitute.

De Gea (95)

Roberto (91) Christensen (90) Stones (90) Gaya (90)
Goretzka (91)⚽ Dele (92)
Martial (90) Brandt (90) Sterling (92)⚽⚽
Mbappe (92)➕➕➕⭐

Subs: Sarr (85), Dele-Bashiru (73), Djerlek (77), Pogba (93), Baku (75), Salcedo (73), Brahim (80)
Suspended: Eriksen (93)
Did not travel: Ramos (95), Kroos (95), Griezmann (95), Boateng (94), Alaba (93), Isco (93), Kimmich (92)

Key:
⚽ = Goal
➕ = Assist
⭐ = MOTM
= Subbed off
= Subbed on


Next round I'm to lose against Tottenham Hotspur - a game that is pinned between matches against rivals Arsenal and Plymouth Argyle.

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MD06: Liverpool (H)
MD07: Fulham (H)
CCGG4: Monaco (H)