The Second RedCafe Sheep Draft
- Thread starter Skizzo
- Start date
Teams after round 9 and before the big surprise:
NoPace - 1. Liedholm, 2. K. H. Förster, 3. Hugo Sanchez, 4. Chumpitaz, 5. Preud'homme, 6. Rummenigge, 7. Camacho, 8. Tshabalala 9. Beckham 10. Yaya Toure 11. Ulysses 12. Angloma
KPS88 - 1. Dino Zoff, 2. Del Piero, 3. Bergomi, 4. Cannavaro, 5. Papin, 6. Carboni, 7. Redondo, 8. Gascoigne 9. Tigana 10. Donadoni 11. Sagnol 12. Eto'o
NM - 1. Puskas, 2. Platini, 3. Tardelli, 4. Pirlo, 5. Ferdinand, 6. Hamrin, 7. Chilavert, 8. Argelico Fcuks 9. Carlos Alberto 10. Schwarzenbeck 11. Gattuso 12. Ze Roberto
harms - 1. Hidegkuti, 2. Passarella, 3. Perez, 4. Alonso, 5. Kaltz, 6. Weiner, 7. Kubala, 8. Buchwald 9. Cabrini 10. L. Enrique 11. Ballack 12. Ibrahimovic
Annahnomoss - 1. Guardiola, 2. Garrincha, 3. Boniek, 4. DaMarcus Beasley, 5. van der Sar, 6. Völler, 7. Dave Mackay, 8. Essien 9. Brehme 10. Sol Campbell 11. Pamarot 12. Ivanovic
MJJ - 1. Hitzfeld, 2. R. Carlos, 3. Eboue, 4. Xavi, 5. Nesta, 6. Iuliano, 7. Trevor Sinclair, 8. Bebeto 9. Ivan Nielsen 10. Pedro Maria Artola 11. Drogba 12. Gilberto Silva
MDFC Manager - 1. Shankly, 2. Seaman, 3. Veron, 4. Vieira, 5. van Basten, 6. Reuter, 7. Zico, 8. Ardiles 9. Costacurta 10. Bergkamp 11. Irwin 12. Ruggeri
Raees - 1. Busby, 2. Batistuta, 3. Effenberg, 4. Hagi, 5. Breitner, 6. Gerets, 7. Vasovic, 8. N'Kono 9. Dzajic 10. Piet Keizer 11. Carvalho 12. Boban
Joga Bonito - 1. Batteaux, 2. Hierro, 3. A.Cole, 4. Kohler, 5. Littbarski, 6. Schuster, 7. Luisito Suarez, 8. Mark Schwarzer 9. Czibor 10. Burgnich 11. Vieri 12. Mascherano
Edgar Allan Pillow - 1. Rocco, 2. Ancelotti, 3. Pantsil, 4. Desailly, 5. Baresi, 6. R. Baggio, 7. Schmeichel, 8. Jairzinho 9. G. Müller 10. Djemba-Djemba 11. Montero 12. Thomas Müller
VivaJanuzaj - 1. Scholes, 2. Ferrara, 3. Kenwyne Jones, 4. Figo, 5. Nedved, 6. Peruzzi, 7. Keane, 8. Dunga 9. Vierchowod 10. Crespo 11. Zambrotta 12. Berthold
BorisDeLaFora - 1. Guttman, 2. Cafu, 3. Lucio, 4. Shevchenko, 5. Stoijkovic, 6. Lizarazu, 7. Souness, 8. Pires 9. Tresor 10. Gerson 11. Buffon 12. Socrates
Cutch - 1. Lobanovskiy, 2. Nilton Santos, 3. Bozsik, 4. B. Charlton, 5. J.Zanetti, 6. Gento, 7. Stanley Matthews, 8. Just Fontaine 9. Krol 10. Sadurni 11. Gamarra 12. Simeone
Sajeev - 1. Capello, 2. Seedorf, 3. Davids, 4. R. Marquez, 5. Henry, 6. Canizares, 7. Paul McGrath, 8. Rivaldo 9. Bossis 10. Amoros 11. Kaka 12. Alaba
Kazi - 1. Stein, 2. Scirea, 3. Landa, 4. Cech, 5. Klinsmann, 6. Schweinsteiger, 7. Bryan Robson, 8. Frank de Boer 9. Thiago Silva 10. Iniesta 11. Bale 12. Sergio Ramos
Stobzilla - 1. Stankovic, 2. Ince, 3. Tioté, 4. M. Laudrup, 5. Kahn, 6. Blanc, 7. John Charles, 8. Hatzipanagis 9. Cerezo 10. Careca 11. Robben 12. Demyanenko
NoPace - 1. Liedholm, 2. K. H. Förster, 3. Hugo Sanchez, 4. Chumpitaz, 5. Preud'homme, 6. Rummenigge, 7. Camacho, 8. Tshabalala 9. Beckham 10. Yaya Toure 11. Ulysses 12. Angloma
KPS88 - 1. Dino Zoff, 2. Del Piero, 3. Bergomi, 4. Cannavaro, 5. Papin, 6. Carboni, 7. Redondo, 8. Gascoigne 9. Tigana 10. Donadoni 11. Sagnol 12. Eto'o
NM - 1. Puskas, 2. Platini, 3. Tardelli, 4. Pirlo, 5. Ferdinand, 6. Hamrin, 7. Chilavert, 8. Argelico Fcuks 9. Carlos Alberto 10. Schwarzenbeck 11. Gattuso 12. Ze Roberto
harms - 1. Hidegkuti, 2. Passarella, 3. Perez, 4. Alonso, 5. Kaltz, 6. Weiner, 7. Kubala, 8. Buchwald 9. Cabrini 10. L. Enrique 11. Ballack 12. Ibrahimovic
Annahnomoss - 1. Guardiola, 2. Garrincha, 3. Boniek, 4. DaMarcus Beasley, 5. van der Sar, 6. Völler, 7. Dave Mackay, 8. Essien 9. Brehme 10. Sol Campbell 11. Pamarot 12. Ivanovic
MJJ - 1. Hitzfeld, 2. R. Carlos, 3. Eboue, 4. Xavi, 5. Nesta, 6. Iuliano, 7. Trevor Sinclair, 8. Bebeto 9. Ivan Nielsen 10. Pedro Maria Artola 11. Drogba 12. Gilberto Silva
MDFC Manager - 1. Shankly, 2. Seaman, 3. Veron, 4. Vieira, 5. van Basten, 6. Reuter, 7. Zico, 8. Ardiles 9. Costacurta 10. Bergkamp 11. Irwin 12. Ruggeri
Raees - 1. Busby, 2. Batistuta, 3. Effenberg, 4. Hagi, 5. Breitner, 6. Gerets, 7. Vasovic, 8. N'Kono 9. Dzajic 10. Piet Keizer 11. Carvalho 12. Boban
Joga Bonito - 1. Batteaux, 2. Hierro, 3. A.Cole, 4. Kohler, 5. Littbarski, 6. Schuster, 7. Luisito Suarez, 8. Mark Schwarzer 9. Czibor 10. Burgnich 11. Vieri 12. Mascherano
Edgar Allan Pillow - 1. Rocco, 2. Ancelotti, 3. Pantsil, 4. Desailly, 5. Baresi, 6. R. Baggio, 7. Schmeichel, 8. Jairzinho 9. G. Müller 10. Djemba-Djemba 11. Montero 12. Thomas Müller
VivaJanuzaj - 1. Scholes, 2. Ferrara, 3. Kenwyne Jones, 4. Figo, 5. Nedved, 6. Peruzzi, 7. Keane, 8. Dunga 9. Vierchowod 10. Crespo 11. Zambrotta 12. Berthold
BorisDeLaFora - 1. Guttman, 2. Cafu, 3. Lucio, 4. Shevchenko, 5. Stoijkovic, 6. Lizarazu, 7. Souness, 8. Pires 9. Tresor 10. Gerson 11. Buffon 12. Socrates
Cutch - 1. Lobanovskiy, 2. Nilton Santos, 3. Bozsik, 4. B. Charlton, 5. J.Zanetti, 6. Gento, 7. Stanley Matthews, 8. Just Fontaine 9. Krol 10. Sadurni 11. Gamarra 12. Simeone
Sajeev - 1. Capello, 2. Seedorf, 3. Davids, 4. R. Marquez, 5. Henry, 6. Canizares, 7. Paul McGrath, 8. Rivaldo 9. Bossis 10. Amoros 11. Kaka 12. Alaba
Kazi - 1. Stein, 2. Scirea, 3. Landa, 4. Cech, 5. Klinsmann, 6. Schweinsteiger, 7. Bryan Robson, 8. Frank de Boer 9. Thiago Silva 10. Iniesta 11. Bale 12. Sergio Ramos
Stobzilla - 1. Stankovic, 2. Ince, 3. Tioté, 4. M. Laudrup, 5. Kahn, 6. Blanc, 7. John Charles, 8. Hatzipanagis 9. Cerezo 10. Careca 11. Robben 12. Demyanenko
Big surprise?
I bet we get randomly assigned to a different team or something.
I bet we get randomly assigned to a different team or something.
That would be awesome. I wouldn't write stuff like that down though, it might give Skizzo even more evil ideas.
There's a thought... Mmmmm... Seriously, I can think of something pretty damn brilliant that could be done along those lines. I think you need to survive this draft before being subjected tot hat though. Bootcamp of sorts.
Boban Effenberg
Hagi
Hagi
Can that work guys? I have been watching vids of Boban and he seems to be able to play that deep lying playmaker role combined with box to box.
Some brilliantly drafted teams there and we could see some close matches in the first round.
Is that surprise mean, replacing those sheep picks with blocked players?
Is that surprise mean, replacing those sheep picks with blocked players?
Did we have surprises and added randomness before the Reality Draft?
Is this my claim to fame?
Is this my claim to fame?
Agreed. I needed a pure holding mid and you more of a b2b dynamo, so it worked out well in the end.
Oh and I pegged down Boris with the wrong pick
. He must have gone when he saw me call him a versatile all rounder 
Feck off. I went ultra conservative and the 2 players I was really interested in weren't even taken!
Footballer, doctor, alcoholic... player manager at Garforth Town, pretty versatile.Agreed. I needed a pure holding mid and you more of a b2b dynamo, so it worked out well in the end.
Oh and I pegged down Boris with the wrong pick
All my choices after Pele-gate were wrong. I pushed myself into a corner and even if we get a blocked player round, I won't last past first round.
Unless I'm being very stupid (possible/likely) there are two very noticeable absentees from this list as a United forum.
I'm really pleased with my pick. A WC winner as a defensive RB with West Germany and also one time runner up.
He's quite a character, I have to admit I haven't heard of him before researching this round by I learned he was a fantastic RB, and a bigass cnut which is bound to be brilliant
He's quite a character, I have to admit I haven't heard of him before researching this round by I learned he was a fantastic RB, and a bigass cnut which is bound to be brilliant
That's an understatement.
FFS the obvious pick for most of us in this round was not taken. He was a United player. I was sure he would be blocked or he would have been my R2/R3.
There is a certain forward, who should have gone in an earlier round, I'm surprised no one went for.
DaMarcus Beasley? I actually picked him up quite early.
Where is @Skizzo with that surprise?
It's a shame you deprived us of seeing the deadly Landa-Beasly combination
Wasn't fair to anyone if I was allowed to keep that pair. I had to pick this other dude Garrenga or something to get my hands on Landa and I am not too sure where to play him.
I imagined most would stay clear but it was too dangerous to call that bluff.
I've heard someone actually played him out left on the newbies recently. I don't even know where to begin explaining how stupid that is.
Exactly. I regret not getting him in the first try though.
Yups, that's what it is for, the players you wouldn't touch with a bargepole after. Unfortunately Ruggeri would have been blocked though so sajeev will just have to wait for MDFC to crash out, tee-hee.
What the hell?Feckin' @harms
Skizzo some sleeper
Thomas Berthold:
"I always kept ploughing on regardless."
This quote neatly encapsulates the exact characteristic that has always made Thomas Berthold such a unique figure. The former world-class German defender has never protected himself nor spared others both during and after his playing career. He was and remains a plain-speaking man.
This trait fits perfectly with the playing style that earned him the most important title in world football as he helped Germany to FIFA World Cup™ glory in 1990. “I either do something properly or not at all; with me there are no compromises,” Berthold explains in an interview with FIFA.com.
“I always wanted to win. You could even see that in training. I was one of those guys who pushed themselves to the limit.” He came from a family of sporting enthusiasts: his father Gunter was a ski jumper, swimmer and - naturally – a footballer, his mother Inge was a handball player and gymnast, and his sister Christine was a German field hockey champion.
Wrong place at the wrong time
Berthold’s pursuit of silverware began at a very early age, when he became a German champion with Eintracht Frankfurt at the age of 15. At 18, he made his Bundesliga debut for the Hessian side under legendary coach Branko Zebec, who praised his young charge as an “exceptionally gifted footballer”.
He stuck resolutely to this path in the years that followed. Initially deployed as a midfielder, he became a decent attack-minded right-back in his final year with Frankfurt. In 1987, the 22-year-old became the youngest German international to seek a fresh challenge in Italy; neither Rummenigge, Voller, Briegel nor Haller had dared to make such a bold move at that age. When he arrived in Verona for contractual negotiations, he got off to a great start by impressing club officials with his command of the language.
Upon reflection, the committed vegan describes his time with Hellas Verona and then with Roma as the best years of his career and regards his decision to move back to the Bundesliga to join Bayern Munich as a mistake. “I was in the wrong place at the wrong time,” he explains. “Situations arose there that shouldn’t have. Perhaps I should have stayed in Italy at that point.”
He was excluded from training after clashing with coach Erich Ribbeck, and with little else to do he was soon dubbed “the best paid professional golfer since Bernhard Langer” by the club’s treasurer. After two disappointing years with the record-breaking German champions between 1991 and 1993, he was able to recapture at least some of his former glory with league rivals VfB Stuttgart before heading to Turkey to see out his playing career.
A momentous interview His departure from international football was somewhat more abrupt. After giving a critical interview in 1994 in which he questioned how a player of his quality could win only 62 caps for his country, the tough-as-nails defender was never again selected to represent Die Mannschaft.
He scored his only international goal in a World Cup qualifier against the Czech Republic. “It was a lovely header from a corner,” Berthold remembers with a laugh. Nevertheless, the full-back has 18 World Cup matches under his belt, placing him tenth on the all-time list of appearances at the world’s greatest football tournament.
He was a key member of Germany’s team in 1986, 1990 and 1994, first finishing as a runner-up before lifting the Trophy 24 years ago in Italy, the country where he was then playing his club football. “To play in the Final in Rome was something very special,” he recalls. “At that time, we had five players in the starting line-up who played in Italy. It was by far the strongest league in the world back then.
This quote neatly encapsulates the exact characteristic that has always made Thomas Berthold such a unique figure. The former world-class German defender has never protected himself nor spared others both during and after his playing career. He was and remains a plain-speaking man.
This trait fits perfectly with the playing style that earned him the most important title in world football as he helped Germany to FIFA World Cup™ glory in 1990. “I either do something properly or not at all; with me there are no compromises,” Berthold explains in an interview with FIFA.com.
“I always wanted to win. You could even see that in training. I was one of those guys who pushed themselves to the limit.” He came from a family of sporting enthusiasts: his father Gunter was a ski jumper, swimmer and - naturally – a footballer, his mother Inge was a handball player and gymnast, and his sister Christine was a German field hockey champion.
Wrong place at the wrong time
Berthold’s pursuit of silverware began at a very early age, when he became a German champion with Eintracht Frankfurt at the age of 15. At 18, he made his Bundesliga debut for the Hessian side under legendary coach Branko Zebec, who praised his young charge as an “exceptionally gifted footballer”.
He stuck resolutely to this path in the years that followed. Initially deployed as a midfielder, he became a decent attack-minded right-back in his final year with Frankfurt. In 1987, the 22-year-old became the youngest German international to seek a fresh challenge in Italy; neither Rummenigge, Voller, Briegel nor Haller had dared to make such a bold move at that age. When he arrived in Verona for contractual negotiations, he got off to a great start by impressing club officials with his command of the language.
Upon reflection, the committed vegan describes his time with Hellas Verona and then with Roma as the best years of his career and regards his decision to move back to the Bundesliga to join Bayern Munich as a mistake. “I was in the wrong place at the wrong time,” he explains. “Situations arose there that shouldn’t have. Perhaps I should have stayed in Italy at that point.”
He was excluded from training after clashing with coach Erich Ribbeck, and with little else to do he was soon dubbed “the best paid professional golfer since Bernhard Langer” by the club’s treasurer. After two disappointing years with the record-breaking German champions between 1991 and 1993, he was able to recapture at least some of his former glory with league rivals VfB Stuttgart before heading to Turkey to see out his playing career.
A momentous interview His departure from international football was somewhat more abrupt. After giving a critical interview in 1994 in which he questioned how a player of his quality could win only 62 caps for his country, the tough-as-nails defender was never again selected to represent Die Mannschaft.
He scored his only international goal in a World Cup qualifier against the Czech Republic. “It was a lovely header from a corner,” Berthold remembers with a laugh. Nevertheless, the full-back has 18 World Cup matches under his belt, placing him tenth on the all-time list of appearances at the world’s greatest football tournament.
He was a key member of Germany’s team in 1986, 1990 and 1994, first finishing as a runner-up before lifting the Trophy 24 years ago in Italy, the country where he was then playing his club football. “To play in the Final in Rome was something very special,” he recalls. “At that time, we had five players in the starting line-up who played in Italy. It was by far the strongest league in the world back then.
A little summary of the last 3 pages? I read them, but I'm hangover and jetlagged and even managed to miss the list with results
Really excited for this round. Skizzo has set the standards in the sky though with that Landa-round so now this round has a lot to live up to.
I reckon we will lose our best players and have em replaced by the legacy players
Shit, forgot about them
I think we all get the chance to replace one of our non-sheep players by a legacy player, but we're not told which one. It's assigned randomly once everyone has decided whether they want to gamble a player. Please just give me a chance to lose Landa. He's now become a liability (in addition to not being up to standard) due to my last few picks.
Problem is the list is a mess, it has a single striker on it (Ole) so if two people lose their striker, what next?
It'll be a little while. Have my daughter right now, and then I have to type up all the details of the bonus you all get.
@Skizzo "Bonus" you say? I trust nothing!
Smart man