Well why can't MJJ play 3-5-2 though? It doesn't make sense tbh.
The Second RedCafe Sheep Draft
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Well why can't MJJ play 3-5-2 though? It doesn't make sense tbh.
Thanks man. I felt bad stealing Zanetti on you, but tbh you probably owe me, otherwise you were losin Puskas in round 2
Thanks man. I felt bad stealing Zanetti on you, but tbh you probably owe me, otherwise you were losin Puskas in round 2
To be fair, I'm really confused about the formation. I wouldn't mind having Carlos and Zanetti has my FBs.
How ironic that we tried to steal FBs from each other eh.. I thought you would be protecting Charlton!
Santos and Zanetti.
I thought most people would think i would protect Charlton, so i went for the guy i thought i'd find hardest to replace. Fewer GOAT/World Class fullbacks than centre midfielders. I may have benefitted from many of my players being a similar level, so with it tricky to know who i had blocked and knowing i'd already sorted a swap of 1 of my players in round 1, it was probably best to stay away from me thankfully.
That was the backup plan. I'm just glad to get Hagi as my midfield was lacking guile.
He would have been stuck with 3 centerbacks after 6 rounds, that don't even fit that kind of tactic. You got a winger and can still finish your team with countless different formations, actually I can't think of anything that you can't build from here on with the players in your team. Worst case for you, Hamrin gives you tactical flexibility, which is still better than the best case would have been for MJJ, if we let that trade go through.
Pick sent.
Hurry up you tards!
Hurry up you tards!
IIRC Iuliano played as a full back quite often too and was okay there. There would still have been an option there for a 4 man defence, and Iuliano at full back wouldn't have been the biggest handicap as far as sheep picks go. MJJ has been pretty fortunate here, firstly by being given a good player as a sheep and then by having that swap blocked. This round has made for epic reading for the neutral though!
No puskaz though and I have eboue as a full back
Fair point about Eboue, I'd forgotten you had that colossus of a right back!
If we needed any evidence of the widespread insanity.
UNBLOCKED AND UNCHECKED XI (that is nobody, no one, jack, zero, zilch attempts)
Truckloads of subs/alt starters as well: Zoff, Kahn, Forster, Ferrara, Reuter, Kaltz, Bozsik, Xavi, Vieira, Schuster, Seedorf, del Piero, Henry and Sánchez.
Batistuta, Nedved, Baggio, Charlton, Bozsik, Xavi, Vieira, Schuster, Seedorf and Henry are ridiculous blind spots. Yeah, some looked like they would be the first choice for protection but that's only Nedved, Charlton and maybe Batistuta. The others seemed brutally exposed.
UNBLOCKED AND UNCHECKED XI (that is nobody, no one, jack, zero, zilch attempts)
Truckloads of subs/alt starters as well: Zoff, Kahn, Forster, Ferrara, Reuter, Kaltz, Bozsik, Xavi, Vieira, Schuster, Seedorf, del Piero, Henry and Sánchez.
Batistuta, Nedved, Baggio, Charlton, Bozsik, Xavi, Vieira, Schuster, Seedorf and Henry are ridiculous blind spots. Yeah, some looked like they would be the first choice for protection but that's only Nedved, Charlton and maybe Batistuta. The others seemed brutally exposed.
What's the score with players who missed the semi and then played for 3rd place? Technically they should be eligible.
yes, they would be eligible.
I wish this was a multi player round
Yes, it's bogus. Iuliano actually played in a 352 for Juve for quite some time, let alone the fact that he is way too good to qualify as a sheep. It is not different to Hamrin situation, since MJJ could bench a CB and played any other formation.
I really struggle to understand how anyone could say it's the same thing.
MJJ would be forced to play a certain formation witch Chumpitaz, Nesta, Iuliano as a back 3. No one in their right mind would ever plan a team like that.
The other one got a quality winger, has still countless options for different formations available to him and the only problem is that it's difficult to build a perfect diamond.
This round was never meant to be perfectly fair to everyone, so yeah, NM has an obstacle in his way now. No one said that wasn't allowed to happen. MJJ would have been fecked though, no way around that. We didn't say, we'll protect the wishes of everyone, the idea was to protect managers from getting totally screwed when it comes to formations/positions. That's what we did. Anyone claiming that NM is totally screwed with the players he has in his squad needs his head checked.
MJJ would be forced to play a certain formation witch Chumpitaz, Nesta, Iuliano as a back 3. No one in their right mind would ever plan a team like that.
The other one got a quality winger, has still countless options for different formations available to him and the only problem is that it's difficult to build a perfect diamond.
This round was never meant to be perfectly fair to everyone, so yeah, NM has an obstacle in his way now. No one said that wasn't allowed to happen. MJJ would have been fecked though, no way around that. We didn't say, we'll protect the wishes of everyone, the idea was to protect managers from getting totally screwed when it comes to formations/positions. That's what we did. Anyone claiming that NM is totally screwed with the players he has in his squad needs his head checked.
Yeah. What he said.
Not to mention I missed out on fecking puskas cos I was a turn too late
@Skizzo how are we proceeding?
I do not want to get into a needless argument for this so I will try to keep it short.
NM also has Pirlo in his team. A player several voters refuse to give any credit unless he is played in a diamond. NM is not totally screwed but he has been put in a difficult spot where either he has to avoid another sheep at all costs so that he can bench Hamrin and play the diamond or bench a player like Pirlo or shoe horn Pirlo into a formation that will see him exit in the first round itself.
Keep in mind that he also has Platini and Puskas so he can not play a 433 here where he could have played Platini as a false 9. A 433 where he has to play Platini out wide would see howls of best player not being played in his best position.
So basically there is only one formation he can play without benching either of Pirlo, Puskas, Hamrin and Platini. That would be the plain old boring 4231. And Pirlo in a 2 man midfield on caf draft game would see you getting pummeled against any team with a strong MF.
I could not keep it short but I have actually convinced myself that you did actually screw NM over here. The extent of it, you can determine for yourself.
Which still isn't comparable to the guy who already has 3 sheep..2 in defence.
First of all, it wasn't us. Obviously it fecked with his plans to play a diamond, boohoo. From the first moment on, it was obvious that this draft will cause the managers pain. Picking Pirlo so early and limiting yourself to a formation was always going to cause problems along the way. Deal with it. It's in no way comparable to the way MJJ would have been screwed. We made a judgement call in that case, because it seemed way over the top.
Fair enough, if in your opinion, this round should have only allowed 1-1 positional swaps. That was never the plan though, it was always about causing problems and forcing the manager to react and show that they're flexible in their approach (it might actually get even worse, this isn't over yet after all). Surely no manager expected that he can happily build his favourite team here without any problems coming his way?
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Personally I think the way Pirlo is portrayed as a player who can only play in a diamond is silly anyway, might be the time to take that fight on. Either way, playing Pirlo in a different midfield set-up won't cause more controversy than playing Platini and Puskas in a midfield diamond with Pirlo (we already got a taste of that with the discussion, that instantly came up when he was picked).
That's his own fault and he should not get any leeway for that in such random rounds. What if he lands a poor player in legacy round? Would you then correct that as well? Of course not.
I don't have a problem with NM getting screwed with Hamrin call, it was completely in rules but so was the Carlos trade for MJJ. You pretty much gave the reason for not doing it was that it would have weakened a team too much while you did not mind weakening a strong team.
Well Nesta and Luliano were part of Italy's back three at Euro 2000. But otherwise it was the right call in a round that was such a lottery where there was always going to be contentious decisions.
That's utter nonsense. Kazi got way more screwed than NM and I actually thought about vetoing the trade, but it seemed somewhat reasonable to give him another forward. While it sucked it's still possible to work around it despite being forced now to play either Landa or his sheep.
MJJ's situation was way too extreme and NoPace simply fecked up by not checking that MJJ already had two centerbacks and a rightback, he never should have submitted that trade.
Yeah, if NoPace had given him Cannavaro or at least someone who's comfortable playing in that defensive set-up either in the middle or on the left, we might have allowed it because it would have been at least a reasonable defensive set-up (I'd still argue it sucks and probably would have tried to convince Skizzo to deny it). But Chumpitaz - Nesta - Iuliano was never an option to pass.
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Yeah I feel bad for Kazi. Was hoping no one got Landa.
No, the reason we gave for doing it was that it then giving a surplus of players in one position...which we already mentioned we were trying to avoid. It got rejected because of that. That's the bidding managers fault, and he wasn't given any leeway for that.
NM got a player in a position he did not have. Hamrin doesn't just have to play on the wing. NM still has options.
Would you like us to keep going on about this to try and appease you? Or is it ok if we carry on?
Am I right in saying that sheep are also given out to people in the positions they don't have? Do say for example, say that NM didnt get a winger in the swap, but received a sheep next round - Anto looked at his team and gave him a winger - would it be tough luck? Or would he be able to request someone in a position he needs?
So far we tried to pick sheep in the same positions the managers were trying to fill themselves. Let's say NM was trying to pick a rightback twice in the upcoming round, we'd look for a rightback sheep. Of course it doesn't work out that way in every case, but it's unlikely that we would have given NM a sheep who only played as a winger if he didn't try to pick a winger at all.
That makes a lot of sense then! Just tried to avoid any further issues for you guys!
Which part of "the Game Master's decision is final" didn't you get Crappy?
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Watch out people, Balu is getting off his fence! Bad, bad, timing with the legacy players and their associated mechanism still unaccounted for.
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Watch out people, Balu is getting off his fence! Bad, bad, timing with the legacy players and their associated mechanism still unaccounted for.
I don't even know what a legacy player is. Anyone?
I don't either, but as @antohan recently told me, I get easily confused. So don't ask me.