The Second RedCafe Sheep Draft

Edgar Allan Pillow said:
Who is this Landa Annah picked up? First search for Landa footballer in googles comes up with Leire Landa :eek:

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He is a Chilean striker, brought to the NT for his goals, not overall play. Played 7 WC games with the home team that came third. Never scored a single goal.
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
Who is this Landa Annah picked up? First search for Landa footballer in googles comes up with Leire Landa :eek:

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Don't want to start too early as it may seem as I am bigging up my players, but Landa is arguably one of the very best players ever in the World Cup history in terms of red cards per games played.
 
antohan said:
He is a Chilean striker, brought to the NT for his goals, not overall play. Played 7 WC games with the home team that came third. Never scored a single goal.
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And is mainly known for being involved in several brawls/incidents, including the one which earned him his place here.
 
antohan said:
Ranking like this is a bit silly, it's ultimately all about fit. And feck a duck, what does Schweini have to do to get properly rated? Great pick, you can stick him in virtually any midfield. I'd have him right behind Figo there. And bring Xavi down to that region. Kohler, Desailly and Figo are all better picks.
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Xavi's easily as influential as anyone else in that list. No need to bring him down at all.
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
Pirlo like Tiki-taka is known for a specific style of play. Play him in other formations and it'll take a lot more convincing than usual, imo.
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Aye, could easily be criticized for fielding too many cooks, so to speak. People seem to prefer formulaic teams to a large degree. Selling two typical orchestrators in one and the same set-up could be difficult. Obviously not impossible, though - depends entirely on the rest of the team, as always.
 
Skizzo said:
If one pick is successful, you must make a pick from the same year of the corresponding fixture. For example, Player A from the losing CL final in 1856 is successful, but Player B from the losing Uefa Cup game of 1856 is blocked. Another player from a losing game of section B must be picked, of the same year. If both picks are blocked, a different year can be picked.
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Assuming all 3 tournaments took place, there will be

Section A
Loser of 1856 European Cup (Player A)

Section B
Loser of UEFA Cup (Player B)
Loser of Cup Winners Cup (Player C)

Say, I choose Players A & B in first pick. A is pass and B is fail. Am I restricted to another player in same match of Player B (UEFA Cup) or can I move to Player C?

From your wording, I presume I can move to Player C. Can you confirm?
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
Pirlo like Tiki-taka is known for a specific style of play. Play him in other formations and it'll take a lot more convincing than usual, imo.
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NM looks well-placed to use him properly. All he really needs to function is strong runners partnering him in midfield, and Tardelli fits the bill.
 
Agree with Gio on Xavi, he shouldn't come down and I would have him as the third best player on that list. He's getting a hard time at the moment due to his decline being so present/current, but if this was debated in 2009-2012 no one would question his place behind Charlton.

Agree on Edgar's comments on Pirlo as well - he needs to be used properly otherwise it's an issue (that's the same for Xavi and others like that though, to a lesser extent). Disagree on his place in the list and there was never a huge gap between him and Xavi both of whom trump Scholes. Heart of the Milan team which reached 3 CL finals in five years, best player along with Cannavaro when Italy won the World Cup in '06 (including being MOTM in both the semi-final and the final in which he set up two goals) and arguably the best player of the entire tournament at Euro 2012.
 
Staring down the barrel of the ultimate block pick, I would imagine at least about 60% of us are considering it.
 
Theon said:
Agree with Gio on Xavi, he shouldn't come down and I would have him as the third best player on that list. He's getting a hard time at the moment due to his decline being so present/current, but if this was debated in 2009-2012 no one would question his place behind Charlton.

Agree on Edgar's comments on Pirlo as well - he needs to be used properly otherwise it's an issue (that's the same for Xavi and others like that though, to a lesser extent). Disagree on his place in the list and there was never a huge gap between him and Xavi both of whom trump Scholes. Heart of the Milan team which reached 3 CL finals in five years, best player along with Cannavaro when Italy won the World Cup in '06 (including being MOTM in both the semi-final and the final in which he set up two goals) and arguably the best player of the entire tournament at Euro 2012.
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As you can see lads, if you say anything bad about Pirlo, Theon gets mad.

Very, very mad.

Now you know why I picked him! :lol:
 
Theon said:
Agree with Gio on Xavi, he shouldn't come down and I would have him as the third best player on that list. He's getting a hard time at the moment due to his decline being so present/current, but if this was debated in 2009-2012 no one would question his place behind Charlton.

Agree on Edgar's comments on Pirlo as well - he needs to be used properly otherwise it's an issue (that's the same for Xavi and others like that though, to a lesser extent). Disagree on his place in the list and there was never a huge gap between him and Xavi both of whom trump Scholes. Heart of the Milan team which reached 3 CL finals in five years, best player along with Cannavaro when Italy won the World Cup in '06 (including being MOTM in both the semi-final and the final in which he set up two goals) and arguably the best player of the entire tournament at Euro 2012.
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As you can see lads, if you say anything bad about Pirlo, Theon gets mad.

Very, very mad.

Now you know why I picked him! :lol:
 
antohan said:
Ranking like this is a bit silly, it's ultimately all about fit. And feck a duck, what does Schweini have to do to get properly rated? Great pick, you can stick him in virtually any midfield. I'd have him right behind Figo there. And bring Xavi down to that region. Kohler, Desailly and Figo are all better picks.
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Alonso and Schweinsteiger, people really underestimate them. I was thinking of Alonso as my first pick but had to block some of the goats. My second "block" which I decided not to do wasn't picked at all though :lol:

Seriously, they are the crucial parts of some of the best teams of their generations/all time (Spain 08-12, Bayern/Germany of now) and they are rated like some mediocre players.
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
Assuming all 3 tournaments took place, there will be

Section A
Loser of 1856 European Cup (Player A)

Section B
Loser of UEFA Cup (Player B)
Loser of Cup Winners Cup (Player C)

Say, I choose Players A & B in first pick. A is pass and B is fail. Am I restricted to another player in same match of Player B (UEFA Cup) or can I move to Player C?

From your wording, I presume I can move to Player C. Can you confirm?
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Yeah. .. You would be able to move to player C.
 
harms said:
Alonso and Schweinsteiger, people really underestimate them. I was thinking of Alonso as my first pick but had to block some of the goats. My second "block" which I decided not to do wasn't picked at all though :lol:

Seriously, they are the crucial parts of some of the best teams of their generations/all time (Spain 08-12, Bayern/Germany of now) and they are rated like some mediocre players.
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Not at all, I rate them pretty highly, both of them but I just don't think they are better than the ones above them, some of them were better imo.
 
harms said:
Alonso and Schweinsteiger, people really underestimate them.
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The difference is they are enablers and not match winners themselves. Surrounded by good players, they elevate the teams to greatness. Total more than sum of parts and all that. So they'll always be rated below players who turn the match in a moment of magic. The enablers keep the team ticking but the "great" players can coast for 80 mins and still come up with the glory with just a sublime shot. And rightly, so.
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
The difference is they are enablers and not match winners themselves. Surrounded by good players, they elevate the teams to greatness. Total more than sum of parts and all that. So they'll always be rated below players who turn the match in a moment of magic. The enablers keep the team ticking but the "great" players can coast for 80 mins and still come up with the glory with just a sublime shot. And rightly, so.
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Gio said:
Xavi's easily as influential as anyone else in that list. No need to bring him down at all.
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Better player vs. Better pick. Kohler/Desailly are better picks IMO. Xavi pretty much nails your colours on a mast, similar with Pirlo vs someone like Schweini.

I do think Pirlo is pointless in a team that already has Platini. He could do anything Pirlo did, and much more of course.
 
Platini and Puskas in a 442 diamond with Pirlo controling the pace of the game from deep in midfield isn't really what I'd call a natural fit. Should be interesting what players NM & Theon have in mind to complete the team.
 
antohan said:
Better player vs. Better pick. Kohler/Desailly are better picks IMO. Xavi pretty much nails your colours on a mast, similar with Pirlo vs someone like Schweini.

I do think Pirlo is pointless in a team that already has Platini. He could do anything Pirlo did, and much more of course.
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Pirlo and Platini aren't remotely similar in the grand scheme of things so I think you're way off there. Pirlo's always been a #6 which is nothing like Platini.
 
This draft can feck off. Can I pick these 2? No, that one might get picked. Can I pick him with him? No, because if he's picked you're left with a relatively poor pick. What about them? Too obvious.

Ugh.
 
MJJ said:
Dont think I agree with that, vieria was in a different class while makelele as a pure defensive midfielder was better as well.
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I have seen both at their peak but can't fathom why Vieira should be rated higher. Schwein has done better or same with both his club and NT, whilst being as crucial player, than Vieira. English league bias is the only reason why people seem to rate the Frenchman higher IMO
 
MJJ said:
Dont think I agree with that, vieria was in a different class while some else as a pure defensive midfielder was better as well.
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Vieira is overrated on the Caf because of his rivalry with another midfielder. Much worse Bayern midfielders than Schweinsteiger had him in his pocket in CL games.
 
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Theon said:
Pirlo and Platini aren't remotely similar in the grand scheme of things so I think you're way off there. Pirlo's always been a #6 which is nothing like Platini.
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Platini in Europe used to play deep in a similar role, while also moving up the pitch and being influential in and around the box. Adding Pirlo doesn't add playmaking and creativity, it either costs NM a defender or a player for Platini to ping balls to.

I'm not discussing this any further though. I can still remember how you destroyed that diamond side trying to shoehorn Xavi-Iniesta-Pirlo and AN other as a "creative f.a.pfest".

Horses for courses, and the importance of enablers (as EAP quite accurately puts it), is a discussion we've had several times before and we are clearly never going to agree.
 
Balu said:
Vieira is overrated on the Caf because of his rivalry with Keane. Much worse Bayern midfielders than Schweinsteiger had him in his pocket in CL games.
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Yes. Vieira never produced the kind of performances, Schwein has for Bayern and Germany during the clutch period. Keane for example, carried Ireland for sometime and also produced big performances for United in Europe.
 
MJJ said:
Dont think I agree with that, vieria was in a different class while makelele as a pure defensive midfielder was better as well.
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The point on Makelele is fair, the other one ludicrous. Different level? Vieira?

I can see Balu rubbing his hands with glee, Mannschaft draft karma may yet see them recover from a poor start in the qualifiers.
 
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