The Road Trip Draft QF: Indnyc vs harms

Who will win the game based on all the players at their peaks?

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Invictus said:
Voted for @harms because I preferred his team by a slight margin over @Indnyc's admittedly beautiful United inspired scheme. However, on a general note — something needs to be done about Maradona to stave off the sheer blandness of his teams. Time and time again, you see setups that are only slight variations of each other — triggering a sense of cryptomnesia...

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Bare minimal structural dissimilarity — select Maradona as the playmaker extraordinaire then pack the defensive lines and let him weave his magic — proven over time as a competitive recipe, but rather formulaic and doesn't require a great deal of innovation. Not even the '86 superhuman version vs. Belgium/England gets his day in the sun among all the 5-2-1-2 renditions! :(

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Kinda feel the same way about Cruyff, but he's not remotely as overpowered and totaalvoetbal teams usually run into a brick wall considering the scheme requires very specific fits from the get go — and loses some of its effectiveness vs. GOAT-packed opposition(s).
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Thanks for your thoughts.. The issue with Maradona (and Cruyff) is that people have seen him perform at his best in a specific role and it's hard to deviate without losing some of his effectiveness (rightly or wrongly)
 
Christ on a bike, these teams are all way too good to make any sort of call or commentary.

Either side would walk the CL, which is no surprise, buy my point is at that level of excellence sheer luck and minor mistakes can tip it one way or the other. It could go down to something as minuscule as what they had for lunch.

So basically I would have voted on how spot on the writeup was, which I haven't read since the game is over anyway.

Get the sense of what @Theon is saying re: Keane but going a bit overboard with it. His -unfortunate- positioning alone indicates those aren't his instructions.
 
Very well argued @harms. Even if I didn't prefer your side, I would have voted for your on the basis of your arguments and the effort put in.

Weird that the two strongest sides(for me) gio and harms both didnot make it to the finals.
 
Good point of Maradona formations, @Invictus. It would've been great to see him out of his "draft comfort zone".
 
Don Alfredo said:
Are there any players we should take note of who played there during his time? I know Shesternyov who was a bit earlier, also Demyanenko and Bessonov who played with Blokhin.
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There were a few great teams in the 70's/80's.

Dynamo Kyiv, obviously (two generations that won 2 Cup Winner's Cups and generally performed well in Europe). Blokhin, Belanov, Zavarov, Mikhailichenko, Demyanenko, Bessonov, Baltacha, Kolotov, Veremeev, Konkov

Dynamo Tbilisi had a few great teams and their late 70's side is easily my favourite. They've won CWC in 1981 but their best performance was in 1979/80 European Cup, where they smashed Dalglish/Souness/Hansen's Liverpool — 3:0 at home and a close 2:1 loss at Anfield. Kipiani and Chivadze, true geniuses.


Spartak Moscow as well — Lovchev, Dasayev and Cherenkov. He was really unlucky to play so little for the national side — it was literally a Dynamo Kyiv side in different shirts and his individual genius wasn't the best fit for Dynamo side. Or, at least, it was how the manager saw it.

Not many undoubted stars, but the general level was quite high.
 
A good article on Tbilisi

By schooling Liverpool and West Ham in the art of fast, passing, composed football, the Dinamo Tbilisi side of the 1970s and 1980s captured the hearts of young British fans who were unaccustomed to watching such expressive play
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@harms Cheers for the info, will definitely have to read up on some of these players.:)

Maybe I will even come back to ask you about some of these because I love to introduce new players to these drafts like I did with Varane or Witsel. I hold the firm opinion that you can easily use good players who are far away from the Pele / Maradona category, if you have the perfect roles for them or if you build a great partnership. The whole is greater than the sum of the parts and all that.
 
USSR league was a good competitive league Don Alfredo, but imo not the easiest to compare with the other great/good leagues of the time as the schedule which tended to be March to late October/November was not as well suited to hitting best form at the right times of the European tournaments schedules and meant teams played further away from the form that got them there.
From the 70s/80s when teams were competing in all three tournaments, Dynamo mid-70s and mid-80s were the strongest and had most impact internationally for their tactics, but came undone against the run of play in their European cup semi-finals(though it's a long time since i watched the Monchengladbach tbf) after winning cup winners cup. Both had short peaks because of the intensity of playing style.

Midfield was the main strength of ussr football imo, from Netto through to what would have been the 90s generation there was a steady production and good depth of talent. A few others i'd add to those harms mentioned from 70s-80s would be Fedotov, Andreasyan, Muntyan, Buryak, Oganesyan, Gavrilov, Daraselia and Lytovchenko. All really good individual players and worth reading a bit about. ussr NT often underachieved from 74-84 though so other than some of the Kiev players, it makes sense you don't see too many mentioned often.
 
Indnyc said:
The link doesn’t seem to work for me
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Weird, it doesn't for me as well. I think caf autocorrects one of the words in the link.

Google "How Dinamo Tbilisi enthralled British football fans in the midst of the Cold War".


Gio said:
Do you reckon Chivadze gets the credit he deserves on here? Thought he was proper class in the European games I’ve caught of that Tbilisi side. A cut above the maelstrom that was 95% of British football at the time.
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Definitely not — I think he was only picked ones, I gave him to someone as a punishment and he was benched in the first game :) Perhaps I should do something about it in the future.
 
harms said:
Weird, it doesn't for me as well. I think caf autocorrects one of the words in the link.

Google "How Dinamo Tbilisi enthralled British football fans in the midst of the Cold War".



Definitely not — I think he was only picked ones, I gave him to someone as a punishment and he was benched in the first game :) Perhaps I should do something about it in the future.
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It’s very difficult to pick unknown players for all time drafts.. Maybe we should do a decades draft of some sort and it would help highlight these players
 
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