4-0 Brentford vs United
Only in the PL
Only in the PL
The relative strength of the Premier League
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What a dumb comment. You cant expect all teams to be equally great. The strength of the Premier League is still, overall, on a much higher level then the other leagues.
These scores can only happen when top teams are capable of scoring so many goals. We didn’t have such teams in England back then… And that’s how Leicester City won a league title in that period.
It is, obviously. What annoys me here isn't people claiming that the PL is the best league in the world overall (it's true), it's the total exageration about the whole "PL proven", "it's in a farmer's league it doesn't matter", "it wouldn't do this or that in the PL", "he would get crushed in the PL" etc. as if PL was almost a different sport. It's not.
Oh that I agree with. The whole notion that every other european league is somehow crap is silly.
That's from a cup game
Don’t forget the extreme physicality that is needed in the PL
Yeah even more ironic when the best players in the league are the ones who were bought from other leagues and excelled immediately or close after. Entire City team is built around players bought from Ligue 1/Bundesliga/Serie A.
Ahah yeah, with physical monsters like Salah, Bernardo Silva or Hazard before them having a really hard time performing.
The strenght of the PL is insane. The gap with La Liga/Bundesliga etc is becoming bigger and bigger. Not good for football in general in my opinion but it is what it is.
Epl should be 18 teams
Not very good at all. Only City are noteworthy
The Premier League is still an insanely strong league that happens to count on Liverpool and Chelsea going through a bad patch.
These things happen.
In the meantime it seems Barcelona, PSG, Madrid, Bayern are looking good.
It's just cyclical.
These things happen.
In the meantime it seems Barcelona, PSG, Madrid, Bayern are looking good.
It's just cyclical.
All a tale of the transfer window.
Spurs have strengthened quite well, I wouldn't be surprised to see them take 2nd.
Pool had a shocker, lost Mane and signed no midfielders, and £80m on Darwin.
Chelsea also a horrible window despite £300m spent.
City managed to get even better.. unfortunately for the rest of the league.
Spurs have strengthened quite well, I wouldn't be surprised to see them take 2nd.
Pool had a shocker, lost Mane and signed no midfielders, and £80m on Darwin.
Chelsea also a horrible window despite £300m spent.
City managed to get even better.. unfortunately for the rest of the league.
Is the cycle ending?
Eras come to an end - Ten Hag
Most teams are regearing and retooling. It isn't a strong year.
Haaland has changed City, maybe for the better in cup competitions but it'll probably cost them in terms of strangling the life out of games. Most of their squad just look like they dont care that much about the league to me, which tends to happen after 3 (?) wins in a row. They'll try to go up a few gears in champions league and probably fail because its hard to turn that on and off.
Liverpool are definitely weaker for obvious reasons and I think need to sign a couple of midfielders to get close to their previous level, they wont be winning anything this year.
Chelsea are a mess, its a mess they've been teetering on the edge of for ages though. It probably wouldn't take much to turn them back into a good team though. A striker, a midfielder, full backs staying fit for 5 minutes and its probably job done.
Spurs are as good as ever, which isn't very good.
We're a work in progress that i think has a higher ceiling than previous attempts but i wouldn't bet on it being more succesful at this point than what Mourinho or Solkskjaer managed. We'll probably give anyone a decent game but lose against anyone genuinely good. Its probably not a set up for giant slaying.
Its a new era for most in one way or another so i'd say the cyle has ended and this one hasn't fired up yet.
The PL has reached a very high level compared to other leagues in the past 5 years.
10 years Uefa ranking has 4 non english clubs (Real, Bayern, Barca and Juve) in top 4... And even Atletico is ranked higher than Liverpool and City... But over the last 5 years it's 3 English clubs in the top 4... Only Bayern has kept up with City's regularity, and both Chelsea and Liverpool did better than Real & PSG...
https://www.uefa.com/nationalassociations/uefarankings/tenyears/
https://www.uefa.com/nationalassociations/uefarankings/club/#/yr/2023
10 years Uefa ranking has 4 non english clubs (Real, Bayern, Barca and Juve) in top 4... And even Atletico is ranked higher than Liverpool and City... But over the last 5 years it's 3 English clubs in the top 4... Only Bayern has kept up with City's regularity, and both Chelsea and Liverpool did better than Real & PSG...
https://www.uefa.com/nationalassociations/uefarankings/tenyears/
https://www.uefa.com/nationalassociations/uefarankings/club/#/yr/2023
The Prem cycle is still super strong especially with takeovers coming of more clubs. The CL final last year should have been two English clubs. Fluke it wasn’t.
English clubs are going to reach the end stages again no doubt. Whether we win is anyones guess but I assume at least one side in the final and a couple in the semi’s like most years.
English clubs are going to reach the end stages again no doubt. Whether we win is anyones guess but I assume at least one side in the final and a couple in the semi’s like most years.
The Premier League is definitely still very strong and was clearly the better league over the last 2 seasons in the Champions League. But that part isn't entirely accurate.
Liverpool fluked their way to the final more than Madrid... They were very lucky to win away at Inter and then to see Sanchez receive a direct red card immediately after Inter took the lead in the return leg at Anfield... They were quite fortunate to draw Benfica instead of Ajax and later on Villareal instead of Bayern... You could argue the same about Manchester City, who won their group despite losing the head-to-head with Paris, but won the group thanks to Paris' poor performance against Brugge... Chelsea also lost their group to Juventus but got extra lucky drawing Lille when they could have drawn some much stronger teams...
https://www2.deloitte.com/uk/en/pag.../articles/deloitte-football-money-league.html
11 PL clubs in the top 20 of world football clubs in terms of revenue.
16 out of the top 30 are PL clubs.
11 PL clubs in the top 20 of world football clubs in terms of revenue.
16 out of the top 30 are PL clubs.
1 | Manchester City | €731m |
2 | Real Madrid | €713.8m |
3 | Liverpool | €701.7m |
4 | Manchester United | €688.6m |
5 | Paris St-Germain | €654.2m |
6 | Bayern Munich | €653.6m |
7 | Barcelona | €638.2m |
8 | Chelsea | €568.3m |
9 | Tottenham Hotspur | €523m |
10 | Arsenal | €433.5m |
11 | Juventus | €400.6m |
12 | Atletico Madrid | €393.9m |
13 | Borussia Dortmund | €356.9m |
14 | Inter Milan | €308.4m |
15 | West Ham United | €301.2m |
16 | AC Milan | €264.9m |
17 | Leicester City | €252.2m |
18 | Leeds United | €223.4m |
19 | Everton | €213.7m |
20 | Newcastle United | €212.3m |
21 | Aston Villa | €210.9m |
22 | Eintracht Frankfurt | €208.3m |
23 | Brighton & Hove Albion | €198.4m |
24 | Benfica | €196.7m |
25 | Wolverhampton Wanderers | €195.4m |
26 | Crystal Palace | €188.9m |
27 | Ajax | €187.2m |
28 | Sevilla | €186.1m |
29 | Villareal FC | €178.7m |
30 | Southampton | €177.7m |
That's crazy... in particular, how is there not a single french club - besides PSG - that can generate more revenue than soon to be be relegated FC Southampton?! Also surprised Napoli isn't in there.
Because they are small clubs with "zero" fanbase or appeal outside of their respective countries.
I'm sure Napoli is on a rise now though with rising stars in Kvessi and Osimhen, but probably still has some ways to go to enter the list.
Not also that 6 out of the top 10 are from the EPL.
Need to get back into the CL. That should put Utd top of at least on league table!
You really think Southampton is a bigger club and has more of a world-wide fan base than Napoli, a club where Maradona played during the peak of his career? They are also qualified for CL in 7 out of the last 10 years and are current league leaders in Italy, nine points ahead of AC, on their way to the Scudetto. I guess not qualifying for CL season 21/22 and going out rather early in Europa League vs. Barca was enough for them to make less revenue than Southampton with their EPL TV revenue. That says a lot though!
This has feck all to do with revenue streams.
If more eyes are on the PL, teams that play in the PL will attract more advertising and marketing opportunities. Brentford will have a lot of people who follow the PL watching their games when they play the likes of City/Arsenal/United/Liverpool/etc...
No one paying money cares that Maradona played for Napoli in the 80s. All that matters is that Serie A is less of an attraction than the PL. If Napoli moved to the PL their numbers would rise in every category.
This. Money talks.
Normally people outside of the country or area only follow the winning clubs, or more prestigious clubs because those clubs normally have superstars in the team like PSG has Messi, Neymar and Mbappe. It is just like the movie industry. These clubs normally offer more entertaining football.
EPL is a great success in terms of marketing but I have my doubt if there is any more room to further increase revenue from TV rights.
I think I read the other day that the PL has spent 7-8 times more this January than the 4 other top leagues combined. The gulf is huge.
It says a lot about the appeal EPL has outside of England, yes.
They get their money through TV-rights from the by far biggest league in the world, yes. EPL is that much bigger world wide than Serie A and Ligue 1. Most non Italians pays to watch Southampton - Leeds over Napoli - Lazio. It doesn't matter that Napoli is better and has a prouder history, Southampton is bigger than Napoli based on revenue.
That's the dynamic of world football right now for you.
Yet, PL teams fail to dominate European competitions unlike Italian and Spanish teams when Serie A and La Liga were at their peak.
Not to mention even with this revenue advantage, PL has never been a talent magnet like La Liga and Serie A especially for Latin, South American stars as usual..
It's not how it works at all. The revenue that the bottom PL team gets isn't generated by these teams and isn't linked to any appeal from viewers, it's not generated by vierwership nor is it generated by advertisement rates who depend on who is broadcasted. The likes of Southampton or Leeds gets their money from United, City, Arsenal, Tottenham, Liverpool and Chelsea broadcasts, those revenues are but in a single pot and shared equally.
Unfortunately money is the most important factor for ANY industry. It will attract the best talent from coaches, management, physio, to players.
And I'm saying that even if a fan in Asia only tunes in to watch 38 Manchester United games, they watch the 19 other sides twice in a season. That is exposure those other sides can leverage into advertising and marketing revenue. And if any of those sides perform well, they get even more revenue, as more eyes are on them. Fans overrate the importance of a club being big or iconic relative to the club's placing in the money league. What matters, in decreasing levels of importance, are
1. Where your club is at (domestic/European)
2. How your club is doing where it is at
3.
3.5. How your club performed 20 years ago/how big your club's trophy cabinet is/whatever else fans use to dick wave and measure
No one would believe people outside of England who watch Southampton vs United is to watch how Southampton plays, right?