AaronRedDevil
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I despise midsommar. Worst movie I've seen in a while. Didn't know whether to laugh or cringe at the stupidity of it.
The first time I saw it, in a barely populated cinema, yes. Never been scared by anything like it, before or since.
I will say that once you know what's coming, it loses its potency. I took someone to see it again shortly after and certain scenes and moments that I''d found terrifying before became almost comical.
I appreciated the originality of Midsommar, and there definitely were some creepy elements, but I think I set the bar too high and was bound for disappointment. Still, Florence Pugh...
"Humans are way more scary than ghosts." That I agree with, as far as real life goes, but I'm struggling to think of a non-supernatural movie that's genuinely scared me, including The Wicker Man, creepy as it is. The first season of True Detective had its moments, off the top of my head.
The Green Knight - Brilliant film, excellent performance by Dev Patel, some wonderful cinematography and shots, and a really interesting transcription of a King Arthur tale. The last 20mns or so will stick with me for quite some time.
Tick Tick Boom - I think Lin Manuel Miranda is as annoying as @Amar__ and fully expected to dislike this, but I actually found it very enjoyable. The cast in general is great and Andrew Garfield shows once again he's one of the most exciting actors out there. It managed to convey perfectly the joyful and youthful exuberance of this artist struggling with his own failures and worried about passing time, with the backdrop of the HIV epidemic in NY. I'm not a big fan of musicals, but I think the songs worked well (Boho Days brought a massive smile to my face, mostly thanks to Garfield's genuine and enthusiastic delivery). Overall, I felt it was a lovely and heartfelt portrayal of a person LMM most likely has a lot of admiration for, and in terms of "biopics", it's one that would land on the good to very good end of the spectrum.
It also kind of fecked with my head realising this guy who turned 30 in 1990 would be 61 today. Like, no way, 1990 was 5mns ago?
Sorry to hear that Amar, that sucks.He actually looks like me.
No, that didn't bother me. I think I felt there was too much context with lose ends or that's underexplored. I also wasn't convinced by Jen's development as a character and how Jade Fox pops up in the story when it's convenient, and otherwise doesn't really exist - all of which sounds like stuff that probably works better in the full book version.
Interesting take on disturbing moments in Licorice Pizza. Does seem a troublesome plot point now that I think about it.
https://www.tiktok.com/@somewhere_in_june/video/7039860185707367686
the Asian part also is completely unnecessary
https://www.nbcnews.com/pop-culture...m-scenes-involving-fake-asian-accent-rcna6603
Shame because I wanted to see this but think I'll pass on it until it's free.
I am sorry, I am still busy thinking about that audience applauding Spiderman.
Completely understandable. And surely a sign that the apocalypse is upon us.
Virgin Stripped Bare by Her Bachelors - Hong Sang-Soo's third film and the one in which his style came into it's own. Pretty much a blueprint for many of his following films: the same story told twice with variations, sexual politics, the space between words and feelings, awkward sex, drunk, horny and irresponsible men including a pathetic film director...and I've seen a lot of Korean cinema but the weather only ever seems to be freezing in Hong's films for some reason.
I'll give ya that one, that fecked me up way more than the other so-called 70s horror classic, The Exorcist.What about Texas chain saw massacre
I feel like I've hit a nerve here! But good for you to stand up for what you like. I'll spoiler my response, as I think I'd reveal a major part of the plot otherwise.Jade Fox has a slightly different but still logical backstory. I think she acts very in character in the movie though. She's an infamous criminal who is using a fake identity to hide inside the prominent family as Jen's tutor. It does make sense (and was a fabulous casting to give it to the Cheng Pei-pei who starred in one of the first wuxia movies to hit the west.) I think Jade Fox was very well written and makes a lot of logical decisions for her character.
Jen could be said to be a little underexplained but I wouldn't say underdeveloped. She's a character continually faced with tough choices with real stakes and she keeps making those choices. Now, some of the choices might not seem to make sense to a modern audience (like why did Michelle Yeoh and Chow Yun Fat refuse to get married despite being in love) but for a traditional Chinese context, those are real and relevant choices. Even some girls I knew (then and now) really resonate with the choices Jen was faced with and she struggled to break from the role that society wanted to enforce on her but even then, when she loved Lo, she couldn't seem to resign herself to life as a bandit with Lo because, despite her break from tradition, she still has these internal weaknesses that ultimately prevent her from being happy. It's actually a common theme in noir which is perhaps why I love both genres because the best of each really digs into these types of choices and ends in tragedy. As an aside, there are definitely some wuxia fans that loved the movie and felt it superior to the original novel.
I feel like I've hit a nerve here! But good for you to stand up for what you like. I'll spoiler my response, as I think I'd reveal a major part of the plot otherwise.
My issue is mostly with how she reappears at the end. After her last chat with Jen in Bejijng, she's gone until she reappears after the treetop fight. I also didn't quite see why she would spend 10 years as Jen's governess if she really likes the bandit's life - cause that's 10 years essentially locked up in a palace.
In both cases, I felt the movie went a bit too quick - as if there was originally a longer cut that would explained character motivations better, but that I'm watching some kind of streamlined theatrical cut. I appreciate that I may have missed stuff though; I only watched it once, and this was my impression.I didn't have an issue with everything you said. That's fairly standard and classical stuff (the noble girl that must accept a status marriage but prefers the rogue or poor guy she met somehow). Again, for me it's mostly about how she pivots at the end. There are several moments in the movie where she considers becoming Mu Bai's apprentice, but decides against it - again at the treetop fight when Mu Bai accepts and meets her challenge. I didn't see much indication for why she would change her mind at the end (which happens already before Jade Fox says she wanted to kill Jen).
Thanks for the detailed responses.Jade Fox appearing at the end is a change from the original (Jade Fox was killed earlier in the novel and her back story is different though the themes remain the same). And while I consider that one of Ang Lee's "westernizing" decisions I didn't find it particularly illogical or have any major issues. It's not that Jade Fox liked the bandit's life per se. She always dreamed of attaining the fame, power, and life of the male martial arts masters. In the movie version, she alludes to being used by Li Mu Bai's master and stealing his prized manual of recorded techniques and then practices on her own. So what Jade Fox wants is to live a more stable luxurious life like the male martial arts masters' can live. She achieves that goal by attaching herself to the Jen's family where she can essentially live as an aristocrat while secretly continuing to practice. This goal is spoiled by Jen, which shatters Jade Fox's whole internal narrative. With this understanding its easy to see her motivated by revenge.
But there simply isn't screen time to show her more without bogging down the narrative of the two couples. Ang Lee acknowledges this when he has the fight scene with the street performers earlier, its a nod to the novel but also him basically saying, "I don't have screen time to fully develop this side plot." So with the Jen-Lo background story and Jen being out in the jianghu testing herself and giving herself a sense of freedom, it's logical that Jade Fox wouldn't be shown until the end because what would the scenes add to the movie? We don't really need to see Jade Fox plotting or trying to track down Jen to understand how Jen shattered her worldview and how she seeks revenge. I think this makes total sense from an Elmore Leonard storytelling point of view. Leonard said, "Try to leave out the part that readers tend to skip" and that's essentially what Lee does here, he's leaving out more boring parts to be able to develop the more crucial plot points.
Again, for Jen, I go to the Elmore Leonard quote. I don't think Jen's motivations need any better explanation. What she wants as a character is freedom above all else. Freedom of movement and freedom of choice. While both being Li Mu Bai's disciple and living a life in love with Lo have clear positives for her, ultimately her desire for total individual freedom is more important to her than either other option and I think that shows in character throughout the movie (though I'd have to watch it more recently for specific details). It makes sense for her to consider both options as she does, but ultimately she craves being freed from the prescribed roles that both disciple and wife would entail. For me, it makes total sense for her to make that choice at the end, as it's truly the only choice that would fit her character. Choosing to be subservient in the disciple role doesn't fit her spirit and she craves the freedom of action too much to want to be happily settling down in the rural west with Lo.
While I can see where the explanation you offer can make sense for not quite seeing Jade Fox's full motivations, I think Ang Lee handled the balance perfectly with Jen. There simply is no other end for her at that stage of her life consistent with her wants, needs, fears and weaknesses.
Jade Fox appearing at the end is a change from the original (Jade Fox was killed earlier in the novel and her back story is different though the themes remain the same). And while I consider that one of Ang Lee's "westernizing" decisions I didn't find it particularly illogical or have any major issues. It's not that Jade Fox liked the bandit's life per se. She always dreamed of attaining the fame, power, and life of the male martial arts masters. In the movie version, she alludes to being used by Li Mu Bai's master and stealing his prized manual of recorded techniques and then practices on her own. So what Jade Fox wants is to live a more stable luxurious life like the male martial arts masters' can live. She achieves that goal by attaching herself to the Jen's family where she can essentially live as an aristocrat while secretly continuing to practice. This goal is spoiled by Jen, which shatters Jade Fox's whole internal narrative. With this understanding its easy to see her motivated by revenge.
But there simply isn't screen time to show her more without bogging down the narrative of the two couples. Ang Lee acknowledges this when he has the fight scene with the street performers earlier, its a nod to the novel but also him basically saying, "I don't have screen time to fully develop this side plot." So with the Jen-Lo background story and Jen being out in the jianghu testing herself and giving herself a sense of freedom, it's logical that Jade Fox wouldn't be shown until the end because what would the scenes add to the movie? We don't really need to see Jade Fox plotting or trying to track down Jen to understand how Jen shattered her worldview and how she seeks revenge. I think this makes total sense from an Elmore Leonard storytelling point of view. Leonard said, "Try to leave out the part that readers tend to skip" and that's essentially what Lee does here, he's leaving out more boring parts to be able to develop the more crucial plot points.
Again, for Jen, I go to the Elmore Leonard quote. I don't think Jen's motivations need any better explanation. What she wants as a character is freedom above all else. Freedom of movement and freedom of choice. While both being Li Mu Bai's disciple and living a life in love with Lo have clear positives for her, ultimately her desire for total individual freedom is more important to her than either other option and I think that shows in character throughout the movie (though I'd have to watch it more recently for specific details). It makes sense for her to consider both options as she does, but ultimately she craves being freed from the prescribed roles that both disciple and wife would entail. For me, it makes total sense for her to make that choice at the end, as it's truly the only choice that would fit her character. Choosing to be subservient in the disciple role doesn't fit her spirit and she craves the freedom of action too much to want to be happily settling down in the rural west with Lo.
While I can see where the explanation you offer can make sense for not quite seeing Jade Fox's full motivations, I think Ang Lee handled the balance perfectly with Jen. There simply is no other end for her at that stage of her life consistent with her wants, needs, fears and weaknesses.
Thanks for the detailed responses.
In any case, happy to agree to disagree. I am anyway a bit of a disadvantage here (so to speak), as I'm basing my comments on watching the film just once, without any knowledge of the books.I agree that films generally shouldn't include scenes just for the sake of exposition or going through the motions; but I think a simple comment by Jade Fox along the lines of 'I figured I'd find you near Li Mu Bai' already would have helped. Now she's just there again. Surprise! (Well, no; of course she was going to return in the film. But the way it happened seemed random to me.)
And of course Jen was going to turn around eventually, and of course it was going to be hard work. All that makes perfect sense to me, as you point out. For me, the issue is that I saw good moments for that turnaround both when she was fighting with Shu Lien and after the treetop fight. After neither of those events had changed her mind, I didn't understand why she did suddenly turn in the cave.
Kid's superhero stuff? Guess there's a reason I'm not a screenwriter.I don't think a line like that would have added anything to story and come off a little kid's superhero movie-ish. Personally, I just don't see the view that it seemed random since I feel it was an obligatory scene set up earlier in the movie. I feel the movie could have worked without, if, as in the book, Jade Fox had simply been killed off earlier, but the decision to not kill her off earlier basically compels this scene which doesn't really need screen time to set-up more.
For Jen, @hungrywing just wrote a great post that gets into layers of her character and why she made her decision when she did, which makes much more sense to me than earlier for the reasons highlighted about her motivation and character.
Always happy to discuss wuxia! If you're in the mood the other 3 classics of the 00s were House of Flying Daggers, Hero, and Curse of the Golden Flower. I'll gladly provide 90s and 10s recs too and if you want to go down a rabbit hole you can check out 50 -episode shows like Six Flying Dragons and Nirvana in Fire (both in my top 10 shows of all time, any language).
Kid's superhero stuff? Guess there's a reason I'm not a screenwriter.
Anyway, it's not really my genre, I just enjoy giving different things a try. It's funny that I saw Kung Fu Hustle, IP Man, and Crouching Tiger all within the space of a month or so. Can't remember when last I saw a similar film before that. But I'll remember your suggestions, thanks!
No, I got that, no worries. Wasn't insulted, just thought it had to be made fun of.Didn't mean to sound offensive, sorry. It's a thing in books that usually, you don't want to say something that you just showed. It's redundant because the audience can see what happened. That's what I meant that something like that doesn't need to be said. Cheers
Both reactions are appropriate.I despise midsommar. Worst movie I've seen in a while. Didn't know whether to laugh or cringe at the stupidity of it.
There's a whole thread about the film even! I haven't seen it yet, but plenty of people seem to like it.Anyone seen 'Don't look Up'? I can't believe it was highly rated on IMDb and Rotten tomatoes. Such a sh*te, dumbed down, movie that looks like it was written by a 15 year old. Couldn't bare to watch more than 45 mins of this tripe.
I compare this movie to Four Lions, which tackles an even more sensitive issue in terrorism. Four Lions is such a brilliant movie in how it portrays terrorists in a way that makes you both laugh and think. 'Don't look up' doesn't make you do either.
There's a whole thread about the film even! I haven't seen it yet, but plenty of people seem to like it.
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/don’t-look-up.467087/
Ava was terrible. Red Sparrow was decent.Kate (2021)
Available on Netflix. A creditable entry in the female kick-ass protagonist genre that seems to be gaining some significant momentum at the moment It's interesting seeing actresses that you would not typically expect taking on more of these roles and while they don't always come off, I must say that I was very impressed with Mary Elizabeth Winstead's performance as the titular assassin in this high octane romp. Be interested to see whether she got the gig based on her performance in Birds of Prey (which I thought she was great in as Huntress).
Yes, the story is ridiculous but it's delivered with such polish that it was very easy to suspend all disbelief for the purpose of 90 minutes of pure movie enjoyment. Violence was gratuitous and very satisfying with some excellent standout wince-inducing moments for sure. Special nod also goes to fight choreography which was on a par with some of the intense John Wick stuff and expertly executed by Winstead, portraying a high level assassin who faces a race against time to take down the people who ultimately signs her death sentence. Very predictable and with an ending that you can see coming a mile off, the pacing is perfect and rarely lets up. The film is beautifully shot against a wonderful Japanese backdrop with the usual cast of characters that you would expect in a movie of this type.
Whilst certainly not at top in the pantheon of crime action thrillers or whatever you want to call it, Kate certainly does not do it any disservice and would definitely hold up to repeat viewing. Although more intense than Gunpowder Milkshake, I'm not sure which I enjoyed more? Perhaps Kate has the edge for being more slick and having less of a comic book feel. Anyway, I'm off to watch Ava now.
I'm giving this a 8/10.
Yeah not even a patch on Kate, which was far superior in every aspect. Can't really be arsed to review it now but may do later at some point. I haven't seen Red Sparrow yet. Am looking forward to The 355 though.Ava was terrible. Red Sparrow was decent.
Red Sparrow actually had a decent plot along with a solid cast.Yeah not even a patch on Kate, which was far superior in every aspect. Can't really be arsed to review it now but may do later at some point. I haven't seen Red Sparrow yet. Am looking forward to The 355 though.
Will have to check it out then. Just not really a Jennifer Lawrence fan.Red Sparrow actually had a decent plot along with a solid cast.
Kate (2021)
Available on Netflix. A creditable entry in the female kick-ass protagonist genre that seems to be gaining some significant momentum at the moment It's interesting seeing actresses that you would not typically expect taking on more of these roles and while they don't always come off, I must say that I was very impressed with Mary Elizabeth Winstead's performance as the titular assassin in this high octane romp. Be interested to see whether she got the gig based on her performance in Birds of Prey (which I thought she was great in as Huntress).
Yes, the story is ridiculous but it's delivered with such polish that it was very easy to suspend all disbelief for the purpose of 90 minutes of pure movie enjoyment. Violence was gratuitous and very satisfying with some excellent standout wince-inducing moments for sure. Special nod also goes to fight choreography which was on a par with some of the intense John Wick stuff and expertly executed by Winstead, portraying a high level assassin who faces a race against time to take down the people who ultimately signs her death sentence. Very predictable and with an ending that you can see coming a mile off, the pacing is perfect and rarely lets up. The film is beautifully shot against a wonderful Japanese backdrop with the usual cast of characters that you would expect in a movie of this type.
Whilst certainly not at top in the pantheon of crime action thrillers or whatever you want to call it, Kate certainly does not do it any disservice and would definitely hold up to repeat viewing. Although more intense than Gunpowder Milkshake, I'm not sure which I enjoyed more? Perhaps Kate has the edge for being more slick and having less of a comic book feel. Anyway, I'm off to watch Ava now.
I'm giving this a 8/10.
I wasn't planning on watching Kate, the title sounds so generic and the synopsis as well as the title reminds me of "Lucy" with Scarlett Johansson. So I passed.
Then I read your review and I thought, well, let's have it a go. I quite liked Lucy, it can't be bad, can it?
The movie is indeed really good. Watching Mary Elizabeth Winstead play Kate, I wished she played major Kusanagi in the movie adaptation of Ghost in the Shell, instead of Johansson: she would have been a better fit.
The action scenes were really fun to watch (better than Matrix Resurrections) and I like the neon-noir/ cyberpunk'ish background. For me it's a throwback to the '00s when anime and manga and anything related to Japan was at its peak of popularity.
I really enjoyed it.
Score: 8,5