The RedCafe Boxing Thread

Won't be as comfortabe as Fury thinks. Joshua is no mug and potentially better than Wilder. His last performance was one of his best as well. Should be a great fight.

I think Fury wins comfortably. I’ve barely seen a decent Joshua fight since Klitchko in all honesty.
 
I think Fury wins comfortably. I’ve barely seen a decent Joshua fight since Klitchko in all honesty.

,At their best I agree but Fury would be making a mistake thinking AJ is an easy fight. We saw in Joshua Ruiz and countless times before what happens when a champ gets too comfy and Tyson might just be getting there.
 
Was he bluffing? Fury knows the game, he knows he can dispatch AJ fairly comfortably and he makes millions.

I think Fury never expected Joshua to agree to the terms, and then he would of had the whole 'Joshua ducked out' angle, which he would no doubt keep mentioning on social media. Fury will most likely win the fight, but Joshua literally has nothing to lose, and that is a dangerous position for Fury because he will have to be 100% on it.
 
There's no way Fury will underestimate Joshua. It's the biggest fight of his career and if he didn't underestimate Whyte and managed to motivate himself for that one, there's no question at all that he'll respect Joshua and be well up for this one. I don't think anybody has called his bluff, he's clearly wanted this fight for a long time but wasn't willing to be a lapdog and treated like shit in previous negotiations.

Can't write Joshua off at all. Think Fury wins but you never say never in boxing. I'm not sure I'd say Joshua has nothing to lose either, lose this fight and I don't really see a way back for him tbh and there's big question marks over Joshua mentally.

That all said, I'm still not believing this fight happens until I see them in the ring :lol:
 
Fair play to Joshua, he has called Fury's bluff. As much as I think Fury would win, He has to take this fight now.
I wouldn't call it a bluff. Fury wanted to fight him for a while, the only reason the last one got called off was because of the arbitration bullshit with Wilder in the US - that was a farcical thing.

I can't wait for this. Fury is going to take the dossers head off.


lose this fight and I don't really see a way back for him tbh and there's big question marks over Joshua mentally.
Even if he loses, he's only 32, still many years left in his career.
 
There's no way Fury will underestimate Joshua. It's the biggest fight of his career and if he didn't underestimate Whyte and managed to motivate himself for that one, there's no question at all that he'll respect Joshua and be well up for this one. I don't think anybody has called his bluff, he's clearly wanted this fight for a long time but wasn't willing to be a lapdog and treated like shit in previous negotiations.

Can't write Joshua off at all. Think Fury wins but you never say never in boxing. I'm not sure I'd say Joshua has nothing to lose either, lose this fight and I don't really see a way back for him tbh and there's big question marks over Joshua mentally.

That all said, I'm still not believing this fight happens until I see them in the ring :lol:

See I don't agree with that. Joshua will easily still get fights with the likes of Whyte, Zhang and Hrgovic. Losing to Fury and Usyk just means he isn't at that top elite level. He can still be a good level boxer with those fights I mentioned and be the 'best of the rest'.
 
See I don't agree with that. Joshua will easily still get fights with the likes of Whyte, Zhang and Hrgovic. Losing to Fury and Usyk just means he isn't at that top elite level. He can still be a good level boxer with those fights I mentioned and be the 'best of the rest'.

Not to mention Joshua vs Wilder is probably the best selling heavyweight fight to make.
 
I think Fury never expected Joshua to agree to the terms, and then he would of had the whole 'Joshua ducked out' angle, which he would no doubt keep mentioning on social media. Fury will most likely win the fight, but Joshua literally has nothing to lose, and that is a dangerous position for Fury because he will have to be 100% on it.

The opposite. When a champ offers a 60-40% split to a fighter coming off 2 loses, I think he's going out of his way to get Joshua to agree. Fury wanted a fight this year, Usyk is off the table until next year. Fury was well within his rights to offer much less generous terms to Joshua.
He beats Joshua this year and Usyk next year, he's beat the last 2 champs in a row, he likes legacies such as that.
 
See I don't agree with that. Joshua will easily still get fights with the likes of Whyte, Zhang and Hrgovic. Losing to Fury and Usyk just means he isn't at that top elite level. He can still be a good level boxer with those fights I mentioned and be the 'best of the rest'.
I wouldn't call it a bluff. Fury wanted to fight him for a while, the only reason the last one got called off was because of the arbitration bullshit with Wilder in the US - that was a farcical thing.

I can't wait for this. Fury is going to take the dossers head off.



Even if he loses, he's only 32, still many years left in his career.

Oh I'm definitely not saying Joshua couldn't still get fights and still sell VERY well, that would be silly to say. I'm just not sure mentally that he would recover from losing back to back against Usyk and then being beaten by the guy that's been belittling him for years and years now. Where does he really go if he loses to Fury? What motivates him? I've no doubt he could fight the likes of Whyte etc but is that going to motivate him the same at that age as it was years and years ago when he was the top heavyweight? Of course there's a fight with Wilder which would be great to see but I'm not sure that's the wisest fight to be taking if he loses to Fury and is coming off of 3 losses.

He will always get fights, he's a huge name but I'm not convinced he can bounce back if he loses to Fury next, he definitely has a lot to lose with his back up against the wall after being the top heavyweight of the division for so long especially in a fight like this against a grudge opponent.
 
The Fury - Joshua discussion was had in here many moons ago when Joshua was top of the world and hadn't the losses to his name that have diminished his aura. The irony is, Joshua is a much better fighter now than he was and his approach to this fight much harder to determine.

Fury is still the best in the division until proven otherwise for me, but I don't think the fight is as easy for him now as would've been when Joshua was heavier, slower with much less of a tank and boxing know-how, but Fury has everything needed to clean out the division, let alone beat Joshua.

What's a shame is picking now to fight Joshua when his mental state is far from what it was. If they fight and Fury humliates him, it might be enough to send him on a negative spiral for good.
 
Bit quiet for GGG Canelo tonight in here

If I was a betting man, Canelo by late stoppage is a possibility in my eyes.
 
Don’t see how it’s anything but Canelo UD, potentially a late stoppage.

Ideally I’d like to see Canelo robbed on the cards as some sort of karmic justice for GGG.
 
Deserved to win the first, got rightly beaten in the second can he muster a win and go into retirement on the back of a win?
 
Pressure fighter against a fighter coming off a loss, early days wouldn’t write off GGG..
 
Today is the day all drug loving, ref cheating, weight draining, ginger cnuts, get humbled, come on GGG!
 
Hoping for a GGG win after how badly he was robbed before. But fear that ginger cnut will win out, by fair or foul means.
 
3 hours is a long haul too boys, don’t be surprised if I miss this..
 
I really don't want to see Golovkin stopped :(

About as expected really. Makes it all the more remarkable how long Hopkins stayed around.

Think I'm gonna go back and rewatch the first two fights to make up for tonight.
 
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Yeah wasn’t great, GGG has slowed down a lot

But a nice pay day for him, he should retire
 
Anybody see Rashford in the crowd on the channel 5 card last night? Front row with Brandon Williams, hood up, sunglasses on and off, blinged out with jewellery...I really can't stand him. What was funny was the camera man and commentary kept mentioning him but seemed to have no idea who Williams was.
 
The only surprising thing was that Golovkin didn't get stopped and that he did better at the back end. The man is 40 years old, that is beyond ancient for a middleweight with a long and distinguished amateur and professional career. Great fighter in his prime, just a real shame he had nobody great to fight until he took on Alvarez where he didn't really get the rub of the green.

I actually thought Alvarez looked a bit off it too. Sharper, clearly he's much nearer his prime, but I feel like all the jumping around in weight, the training stress from having started so early as a teenager, and simply age is even catching up with him now. It wasn't a great performance against an old man that was probably there to be dominated. Does he want any part of somebody like Benavidez at this stage? Hard to say.
 
Dominant performance from Stevenson last night against a tough opponent. Be good to see him now move up weight and take on Haney/Tank/Loma.

The Haney fight would be pretty boring to watch but very technical, same with Lomachenko. A Tank fight would be interesting, as Tank would go for the KO whilst Stevenson is a much better counter punch.
 
The only surprising thing was that Golovkin didn't get stopped and that he did better at the back end. The man is 40 years old, that is beyond ancient for a middleweight with a long and distinguished amateur and professional career. Great fighter in his prime, just a real shame he had nobody great to fight until he took on Alvarez where he didn't really get the rub of the green.

I actually thought Alvarez looked a bit off it too. Sharper, clearly he's much nearer his prime, but I feel like all the jumping around in weight, the training stress from having started so early as a teenager, and simply age is even catching up with him now. It wasn't a great performance against an old man that was probably there to be dominated. Does he want any part of somebody like Benavidez at this stage? Hard to say.
I hope Canelo doesn’t go on too much further either tbh, there’s really not that much left for him to prove.

Having said that, I think a break would do him well and I still think he’d be comfortable enough vs Benavidez. Charlo would probably be a tougher fight.
 
Anyone watching the Joe Joyce card?

might actually stay awake for this one.
 
Not bothering with the card but I'm tuning in for the main event. Interesting fight, hard to call.
I’m a Joe Joyce fan so I think a straight forward win for him.

Serrano fighting now but taking more punishment that the commentators are giving her credit for.